North Melbourne Priority Pick 2021

[Chadwiko]

Do you not think that it is strange that if McKay was any good that you guys are not willing to retain him?

Go through my post history you will find numerous examples of me saying my preference is to keep McKay.

Also, our head coach is on the record saying we want to keep him.

Our list manager is on the record saying we want to keep him.

You can shift the goalposts all you like, but NMFC fans want to keep McKay, but if he is offered a big contract elsewhere, and he accepts it as is his right as a restricted free agent, then why would you begrudge us wanting the maximum compensation the system entitles us too?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Is this a not a competition that prides itself on equalisation?

No it prides itself on revenue. Equalisation (or the hope from equalisation) increases revenues

 

[Bugs1977]

FA compo isn't connected to any assistance, it is an entitlement that is available to all clubs. If McKay's contract qualifies for Band 1, North should receive it. If it doesn't, we shouldn't. Can we agree on that? Or do you think that the AFL should manipulate the rules to disadvantage us?

You see this is the grey area that I've seen change multiple times in this thread and others in what actually warrants band 1 comp. I have nothing against North whatsoever and if they do happen to get band 1 comp then i won't be losing any sleep over it. Ever since the inception of the Giants + Suns the AFL have been very reluctant to give extravagant assistance packages to other clubs and with Tassy soon to be entering the comp future drafts are going to be compromised for multiple years to come so I don't see that changing.

 

[Alpine Lodger]

Yes, Melbourne pulled themselves up by the bootstraps. And a $2 million bailout from the AFL...

North Melbourne led all Victorian clubs in AFL funding in 2023 with $19 million according to Fox Sports.
Those in glass houses should not be throwing stones.

 

[Caligo]

The fewest games would probably be Williams and Daniher who had both played over 100, though Daniher had only played 15 games in the three years before getting Band 1 - by comparison McKay will have played 56 in three years. Daniher would be an arguably bigger anomaly than McMcKay.

I strongly agree daniher was quite an anomaly. Especially since his contract was changed so drastically after the compo came through.

 

[Caligo]

Lol, we’re applying to have access to one academy kid and there’s a massive debate about it.
GCS after all of their assistance over the last few years, are likely to get three top 15 players selected in their academy. Including a posible number 1.

We know we’re the illegitimate step son that no one wants to talk about but geez people need some perspective.

Why are you constantly comparing yourself to GC? Did you have players of the quality of May Lynch Prestia JOM and a dozen others all leave your club in a very short time period?

The amount of first round draft picks to walk out of GC is so great I can't even remember half of them.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

North Melbourne led all Victorian clubs in AFL funding in 2023 with $19 million according to Fox Sports.
Those in glass houses should not be throwing stones.

The AFL variable equalisation distribution is for poor fixturing and other measures which is meant to ensure clubs are on equal footing.

Do you really think North needs donations from the AFL at the moment? The club is as financially strong as it has ever been and a key stakeholder in the largest urban development in Melbourne's history.

We'll take the Priority Picks though.

 

[ferball]

Very hard for him to get a slot on the HBF flank though. Daicos has one side locked, and a midfielder, or a player who has performed across multiple years, will likely be shoved onto the other side. From my club that would be Sicily, but there are so many options there.

Sheezel has been absolutely superb though. Definitely not hype. I find that photo of him in his jersey as a little kid with his childhood hero just heartbreaking. Hopefully he can wear those colours again one day.

Yeah i hope not but I appreciate the sentiment.

 

[Caligo]

Yeah i hope not but I appreciate the sentiment.

Absolute gun already, and will only get better. If wardlaw can keep his body together there is some serious talent there too.

 

[ferball]

Ahhh lets not get carried away.

He's a great young player but he's getting inflated stats due to Norths game style, the same thing that saw Ziebell and Hall bump up their stats in the past.

Would be good to see North be more competitive moving forward and him move into the midfield full time and see a bit more contested ball winning.

He's getting high stats because he plays at HBF and knows how to win the ball because he is excellent at reading the game.

Its illegitimate to call them inflated stats when in fact they are just stats.

The word "inflated" serves the purpose of trying to legitimise a bias that alot of non North posters are trying to promote in this thread.

 

[Caligo]

He's getting high stats because he plays at HBF and knows how to win the ball because he is excellent at reading the game.

Its illegitimate to call them inflated stats when in fact they are just stats.

The word "inflated" serves the purpose of trying to legitimise a bias that alot of non North posters are trying to promote in this thread.

I think he might be saying it is inflated because the ball goes into your back line more often than most clubs. It is the same reason I am sceptical about McKay's intercept marks. As a raw number they are high, as a percentage of entries they aren't. I guess it just comes down to how you want to measure the data.

 

[ferball]

Majak had his life altering moment as well - after his best year ever - which I also think would have been massively traumatic for his team mates that year as well. There's been some rough times that were not necessarily predictable or only footy related.

There was 2002, then 2007, then 2016 but what happened with Maj was tragic and we really haven't had much clear air since.

It obviously hurt the team and the coach. We won 2 games of 9 and then sacked the coach and won 8 of the next 13 games.

Then we won two in a row and have won nine games since.

So really it all went to shit after the first covid lockdown.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

I think he might be saying it is inflated because the ball goes into your back line more often than most clubs. It is the same reason I am sceptical about McKay's intercept marks. As a raw number they are high, as a percentage of entries they aren't. I guess it just comes down to how you want to measure the data.

I'm skeptical that Dunstall was any good for the same reason.

 

[Caligo]

I'm skeptical that Dunstall was any good for the same reason.

It is easy to overrate key forwards for the same reason, but dunstall outperformed other key forwards also in dominant teams getting similar inside 50 numbers during his career, including the other key forwards in the same team as him.

If you really wanted to measure the quality of a player like dunstall or lockett though, I would be really interested to see their goals as a ratio of how many times they were individually targeted inside 50. Would make for fascinating reading.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

He's getting high stats because he plays at HBF and knows how to win the ball because he is excellent at reading the game.

Its illegitimate to call them inflated stats when in fact they are just stats.

The word "inflated" serves the purpose of trying to legitimise a bias that alot of non North posters are trying to promote in this thread.

We all have stated he's a great young player. The facts are he has approximately 1 defender who averages more touches than him, but 16 or so who average more meters per game (depending on who you define as a defender).

Its part of being crap and not having great targets through midfield up forward, that North go sideways a bit, and their haflback stats rack up a bit as a result. Ziebull was the king of this, not just counting the extra kick ins.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

It is easy to overrate key forwards for the same reason, but dunstall outperformed other key forwards also in dominant teams getting similar inside 50 numbers during his career, including the other key forwards in the same team as him.

If you really wanted to measure the quality of a player like dunstall or lockett though, I would be really interested to see their goals as a ratio of how many times they were individually targeted inside 50. Would make for fascinating reading.

Look, no matter what those stats say, Dunstall is a legend of the game (and should be inducted as such).

Good players find the footy and teams also try to get the ball into their hands as much as possible. Sheezel's having 15+ kicks per game at 70%KE which is only matched by N.Daicos, Wanganeen-Milera, Lachie Ash and Hayden Young for players under 22. It's rare air and he's still 18 years old.

 

[H00t]

Not sure how much cap space north has free currently but surely they’d look at putting a big contract in front of Walter to get him to not be aligned to the Suns.

The park of having pick 1 is that you can grab a player that is aligned to a club if you can convince them to join you.

 

[Caligo]

Look, no matter what those stats say, Dunstall is a legend of the game (and should be inducted as such).

Good players find the footy and teams also try to get the ball into their hands as much as possible. Sheezel's having 15+ kicks per game at 70%KE which is only matched by N.Daicos, Wanganeen-Milera, Lachie Ash and Hayden Young for players under 22. It's rare air and he's still 18 years old.

Sorry if you thought I was knocking Sheezel. I think he is an absolute gun, and I think we won't see the best of him until he spends most of his time pushing deep off a half forward flank.

Maybe his disposal numbers might be a bit inflated, but he looks all class.

 

[ferball]

I wouldn't be using what Geelong got as a guide because we all know due to who was pulling the strings at that point in time had a huge affiliation with the GFC. The Bowes deal was a couple of years in the making as was other various things where it looked like they we're 2-3 steps ahead. I ask you this… who is it at AFL house that is going to kiss North on the d**k to give them what would be the most extravagant assistance since the Giants and Suns entered the competition? Geelong had knowledge + groundwork to work the system to their advantage so well played to them and the reality is that North is out there cleaning windshields begging for a dollar.

Like many have already mentioned North will not get a band 1 priority pick and also access to Sanders. If they're lucky they'll get access to Sanders and band 2 comp (end of 1st round).

Given its Laura Kane i don't think kiss on the dick is an appropriate term.

 

[ferball]

your club and gold coast are no where near comparable

it is laughable you and your mates keep trying to draw analogies to them

Why not?

 

[Caligo]

Why not?

Which guys of the quality of lynch, may, prestia, rankine, jom, Dixon and a dozen others did you lose recently?

 

[rye]

Why not?

is this a serious question?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Which guys of the quality of lynch, may, prestia, rankine, jom, Dixon and a dozen others did you lose recently?

This isn't even the point.

GCS are an expansion team who are treated differently to the rest of the comp. They were setup and run as poorly as any club ever, but at the end of the day they will get special treatment because the AFL needs them to have some level of success in order to survive.

North are not an expansion team. They shouldn't think they're going to get GCS treatment unless they actually want to move to be Tassie's second team.

 

[Caligo]

This isn't even the point.

GCS are an expansion team who are treated differently to the rest of the comp. They were setup and run as poorly as any club ever, but at the end of the day they will get special treatment because the AFL needs them to have some level of success in order to survive.

North are not an expansion team. They shouldn't think they're going to get GCS treatment unless they actually want to move to be Tassie's second team.

I agree with that, but I also think the loss of so much quality so quickly was a travesty, and I am quite angry the AFL didn't do more to crack down on clubs (including my own) raiding them mercilessly.

 

[ferball]

I think he might be saying it is inflated because the ball goes into your back line more often than most clubs. It is the same reason I am sceptical about McKay's intercept marks. As a raw number they are high, as a percentage of entries they aren't. I guess it just comes down to how you want to measure the data.

Lots of people say half back flankers have inflated stats generally. They often say those stats are illegitimate of call them seagulls.

Recently Sheezel had three or four possessions in a chain. He received or won the ball on the backline gave off at least two handballs and then kicked the ball to a forwards advantage inside 50. Can't remember if it lead to a goal or not. Alot of people would call that chip scab effort but he basically ran thru traffic all the way up the middle of the ground and created a scoring opportunity out of nothing. the sort of thing Daicos gets plaudits for too.

I don't understand why people disparage efforts like that, whoever the player. It opens the game right up, creates space and in that example created a scoring opportunity out of nothing. Sure there are players who do this and it gains nothing. the ball moves around the backline and does little else, but another player of ours, who cops alot of crap from our supporters - Aaron hall - also did the same thing and got very little credit for the way his play opened up the play and enabled us to break out of the oppositions half.

People say the same thing about other players on other sides when they do similar stuff.

But yeah we get the ball in our backline alot. No denying that.