North Melbourne Priority Pick 2021

[naysayer]

Not sure what you are on about. He only needs to be in approximately the top 12% of players 25 and over to qualify for Band 1. On page 80 of the McKay thread, a poster compiled a table of what this roughly equates to based on 2023 wage data from the annual report. It shows the different bands at different ages. McKay needs a minimum of around $730K a year to qualify for Band 1. Allowing for annual variations, he probably needs $750K to be safe.

If you're not sure what I'm on about, maybe you should look at the free agency rules, as far as I know they haven't changed the rules since 2020:

"The bands are as follows:

- Top five per cent = first-round pick

- Top 15 per cent = end-of-first-round pick


- Top 30 per cent = second-round pick

- Top 50 per cent = end-of-second-round pick

- Top 70 per cent = third-round pick

- Below that = no pick"

Your loyal friend in the McKay thread is doing you a disservice if he's letting you all believe you're a lock for pick 2. The Brad Crouch situation is very instructive for you, because not only did Adelaide missed out on pick 2, they only got a second round pick because a part of Crouch's salary was only triggered if he played a certain number of games per year. I'd guess that with McKay's injury history, any club with moderate intelligence would do the same. End of first round will be a very good result for the Roos.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

How did the Roos get as bad as this anyway? I wonder did the rot start with the forced retirement of Boomer Harvey?

Due to the nostalgia i have for the 90's, i'd love to see North Melbourne back as a force again. Outside of Carlton i reckon they have the nicest guernsey in the league as well.

There's the Ron Barrassi and Brent Crosswell connection as well of course. The competition needs a strong and competitive North Melbourne imo.

 

[Freomaniac]

He was a forward when we drafted him but, like Thomas and Sheezel, had plenty of potential to play midfield and really worked his arse off (on the track and in terms of studying the game) to make it as a mid.

But the year before he was drafted he had a broken leg so maybe he would have been considered a midfielder that year if he'd been injury free, Someone, maybe Paul Roos said that when he did some early season stuff at Melbourne before he broke his leg he looked like a top three pick.

Sheezel has had a crazy 1st season though.

593 disposals from 22 games or 27 disposals a game is very good for a 1st year mid.

Any Mid gets 24-27 disposals a game has to be a decent mid.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Sheezel has had a crazy 1st season though.

593 disposals from 22 games or 27 disposals a game is very good for a 1st year mid.

Any Mid gets 24-27 disposals a game has to be a decent mid.

I don't think he has spent much time in the midfield.

Has been playing in the back pocket/flank.

Still, he has been pretty good. Now North need to think about a replacement for him back there when he transfers to the midfield.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I tend to agree. I suspect North would’ve been better off coming second last. WC would’ve switched out pick 1, still got Curtain, and the AFL, operating under their own discretionary authority (which historically they make up as they go), would’ve given either a PP early, or Sanders. Now the optics of it (which is usually at the forefront of AFL decision making), makes it hard for them to give North too much. I would be extremely surprised if the AFL hand North picks on a platter early, as it’s not what the AFL have done with any side in the past. I don’t even really understand this whole Sanders thing, as he falls inside the first 40 picks so won’t be available to North.


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I think they want an exception to the pick 40 rule/ direct access (ie no pick needed just a list spot) as a type of priority. I don’t have an issue with that, give them sanders and end of first pp, afl can say it is more support than last year.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I don't think he has spent much time in the midfield.

Has been playing in the back pocket/flank.

Still, he has been pretty good. Now North need to think about a replacement for him back there when he transfers to the midfield.

Harley Reid

 

[Kangalongtime]

How did the Roos get as bad as this anyway? I wonder did the rot start with the forced retirement of Boomer Harvey?

Due to the nostalgia i have for the 90's i'd love to see North Melbourne back as a force again. Outside of Carlton i reckon they have the nicest guernsey in the league as well.

There's the Ron Barrassi and Brent Crosswell connection as well of course. The competition needs a strong and competitive North Melbourne imo.

Good point raised Irish. I firmly think the rot started from this decision. It highlighted that Brad Scott was finished at that time and after having done well 2010-2026 that he had run his race. Then losing Daniel wells and Robbie Tarrant later despite their injury concerns was terrible for fabric of club. Poor decisions in next two coaches and some questionable recruiting calls and here we are. Don’t underestimate the impact of Cunningtons illness issues either in both a football sense or a club fabric sense.

 

[perplexed]

If you're not sure what I'm on about, maybe you should look at the free agency rules, as far as I know they haven't changed the rules since 2020:

"The bands are as follows:

- Top five per cent = first-round pick

- Top 15 per cent = end-of-first-round pick


- Top 30 per cent = second-round pick

- Top 50 per cent = end-of-second-round pick

- Top 70 per cent = third-round pick

- Below that = no pick"

Your loyal friend in the McKay thread is doing you a disservice if he's letting you all believe you're a lock for pick 2. The Brad Crouch situation is very instructive for you, because not only did Adelaide missed out on pick 2, they only got a second round pick because a part of Crouch's salary was only triggered if he played a certain number of games per year. I'd guess that with McKay's injury history, any club with moderate intelligence would do the same. End of first round will be a very good result for the Roos.

So smug. And so wrong.

Those percentages are correct for a 31 year old. They change with the age of the player.

 

[ferball]

Sheezel has had a crazy 1st season though.

593 disposals from 22 games or 27 disposals a game is very good for a 1st year mid.

Any Mid gets 24-27 disposals a game has to be a decent mid.

He's been playing off the HBF alot. It probably contributes to his high numbers.

Legitimately he should be in the discussion for an AA gig on the HBF. Its not just hype.

 

[Caligo]

He's been playing off the HBF alot. It probably contributes to his high numbers.

Legitimately he should be in the discussion for an AA gig on the HBF. Its not just hype.

Very hard for him to get a slot on the HBF flank though. Daicos has one side locked, and a midfielder, or a player who has performed across multiple years, will likely be shoved onto the other side. From my club that would be Sicily, but there are so many options there.

Sheezel has been absolutely superb though. Definitely not hype. I find that photo of him in his jersey as a little kid with his childhood hero just heartbreaking. Hopefully he can wear those colours again one day.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

He's been playing off the HBF alot. It probably contributes to his high numbers.

Legitimately he should be in the discussion for an AA gig on the HBF. Its not just hype.

Ahhh lets not get carried away.

He's a great young player but he's getting inflated stats due to Norths game style, the same thing that saw Ziebell and Hall bump up their stats in the past.

Would be good to see North be more competitive moving forward and him move into the midfield full time and see a bit more contested ball winning.

 

[shintemaster]

Good point raised Irish. I firmly think the rot started from this decision. It highlighted that Brad Scott was finished at that time and after having done well 2010-2026 that he had run his race. Then losing Daniel wells and Robbie Tarrant later despite their injury concerns was terrible for fabric of club. Poor decisions in next two coaches and some questionable recruiting calls and here we are. Don’t underestimate the impact of Cunningtons illness issues either in both a football sense or a club fabric sense.

Majak had his life altering moment as well - after his best year ever - which I also think would have been massively traumatic for his team mates that year as well. There's been some rough times that were not necessarily predictable or only footy related.

 

[Sphynx]

I don't think he has spent much time in the midfield.

Has been playing in the back pocket/flank.

Still, he has been pretty good. Now North need to think about a replacement for him back there when he transfers to the midfield.

He's spent about 20% of the season there combined with patches forward.

He still averages a few CBA's per game.

He's been moved forward at times, namely in the last qtr against Sydney in Rnd 10 when he still had 25 and kicked 2.2 with the rest of that in the midfield.


Harley Reid will be paying about $1.01 to be playing Sheezel's role next year.

 

[Big_Birdy]

He's spent about 20% of the season there combined with patches forward.

He still averages a few CBA's per game.

He's been moved forward at times, namely against Sydney when he still had 25 and kicked 2.2.


Harley Reid will be paying about $1.01 to be playing Sheezel's role next year.

Looked far more dangerous forward against us than in the backline where he had no impact. I don’t understand why you are playing him back there but it certainly won’t be forever

 

[Sphynx]

Ahhh lets not get carried away.

He's a great young player but he's getting inflated stats due to Norths game style, the same thing that saw Ziebell and Hall bump up their stats in the past.

Would be good to see North be more competitive moving forward and him move into the midfield full time and see a bit more contested ball winning.

Ahh, lets not get carried away.

Ziebell averaged 7-9 play on kick ins per game in those seasons as a defender.

Sheezel averages 2.

Without kick ins, he still likely breaks the AFL rookie disposal record actually.

He's averaging far less kick ins than all of Blakey, Sinclair, Dale, Lloyd etc.

He's also averaging more CP's than Ruben Ginbey and only slightly behind Wardlaw this season.


He played the game in the midfield against Sydney and had 25 disposals (9 contested), 5 tackles, 3 clearances, 400 meters gained and 8 score involvements.

 

[Bugs1977]

Majak had his life altering moment as well - after his best year ever - which I also think would have been massively traumatic for his team mates that year as well. There's been some rough times that were not necessarily predictable or only footy related.

There is one definitive moment that brought the NMFC to its knees and it happened in 2002. That IMO is when the clubs fabric was ruined and it hasn't been able to recover since.

 

[DesertRoo]

There is one definitive moment that brought the NMFC to its knees and it happened in 2002. That IMO is when the clubs fabric was ruined and it hasn't been able to recover since.

Yes, I think any afl assistance should come with an exorcist. We’ve been cursed ever since.

 

[Chadwiko]

If you're not sure what I'm on about, maybe you should look at the free agency rules, as far as I know they haven't changed the rules since 2020:

"The bands are as follows:

- Top five per cent = first-round pick

Top 5 per cent of RANKINGS, not salary.

Salary is a portion of the rankings, but so is age.

A 750k~ contract at age 25 would reportedly have Ben McKay in that top 5 per cent ranking.

 

[Bugs1977]

Top 5 per cent of RANKINGS, not salary.

Salary is a portion of the rankings, but so is age.

A 750k~ contract at age 25 would reportedly have Ben McKay in that top 5 per cent ranking.

Any club that is willing to give 750k on a 5-6 year deal for Ben McKay should just shut up shop now because that would just be incompetent. I'd have no doubt whatsoever and would be willing to wager that the club that did would be in the very same position that North is in right now in a couple of years if they did.

 

[Chadwiko]

Any club that is willing to give 750k on a 5-6 year deal for Ben McKay should just shut up shop now because that would just be incompetent. I'd have no doubt whatsoever and would be willing to wager that the club that did would be in the very same position that North is in right now in a couple of years if they did.

It doesn't need to be a 5 or 6 year deal. Two years is the only requirement to trigger FA compensation eligibility.

And there are multiple clubs reported interested at that price.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Ahh, lets not get carried away.

Ziebell averaged 7-9 play on kick ins per game in those seasons as a defender.

Sheezel averages 2.

Without kick ins, he still likely breaks the AFL rookie disposal record actually.

He's averaging far less kick ins than all of Blakey, Sinclair, Dale, Lloyd etc.

He's also averaging more CP's than Ruben Ginbey and only slightly behind Wardlaw this season.


He played the game in the midfield against Sydney and had 25 disposals (9 contested), 5 tackles, 3 clearances, 400 meters gained and 8 score involvements.

I'm not talking about kick ins. I'm talking about North faffing around with the ball on the half back line.

Sheezel is a gun no doubt, the next stage is to get him off the half back line and more in the midfield, like the game against Sydney.

My point though, was that he's not actually in the AA discussion this year.

 

[Bugs1977]

It doesn't need to be a 5 or 6 year deal. Two years is the only requirement to trigger FA compensation eligibility.

And there are multiple clubs reported interested at that price.

In the past any shorter term deal like you mention would have to be a higher annual salary to trigger the band 1 comp. 750k on a 2 year deal isn't going to trigger band 1 comp. Band 1 comp will likely need to be 1m per season and like my earlier post said that any club offering McKay 750k per season should just shut it all down now because even that is an overpay on a short term deal. For example the Hawks gave Vickery a 2 year deal on around 750k and that only netted Richmond I think pick 27. Pretty sure they used that pick to draft Shai Bolton. Anyways 750k / 2 year deal sounds more like band 2 comp at best.

The stupid thing in all of this is that North are the ones that should be looking to retain him not let him go because they don't have any KPD stock whatsoever and will be begging for more assistance next year because they've gutted their backline down to the bones.

 

[Chadwiko]

In the past any shorter term deal like you mention would have to be a higher annual salary to trigger the band 1 comp. 750k on a 2 year deal isn't going to trigger band 1 comp. Band 1 comp will likely need to be 1m per season

Nah, you've got your facts wrong unfortunately.

Have a read of this article. It's the best primur I've seen on the system.

The AFL's secret formula for free agency compensation

Length of contract is largely irrelevant, but a one-year age gap can make a big difference.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Caligo]

Nah, you've got your facts wrong unfortunately.

Have a read of this article. It's the best primur I've seen on the system.

The AFL's secret formula for free agency compensation

Length of contract is largely irrelevant, but a one-year age gap can make a big difference.

www.theage.com.au

Whilst that is all true, anomalies like the Vickery case seem to suggest the AFL add in their own little additions to the formula.

The article you linked specifically refers to the Rockliff/Motlop dichotomy, where there was a huge salary difference across the same band (probably a larger difference than a single band could actually encompass).

There is a reason that the rules specifically refer to anomalous cases and give the AFL broad discretion to do whatever the heck they want, whenever they want.

 

[Dazb86]

How did the Roos get as bad as this anyway? I wonder did the rot start with the forced retirement of Boomer Harvey?

Due to the nostalgia i have for the 90's, i'd love to see North Melbourne back as a force again. Outside of Carlton i reckon they have the nicest guernsey in the league as well.

There's the Ron Barrassi and Brent Crosswell connection as well of course. The competition needs a strong and competitive North Melbourne imo.

Not sure if you remember but Brad Scott got the absolute most out of his battler list and probably overachieved a few too many years which didn't allow them to get the youth in that they desperately needed. Every opposition supporter could see the pain ahead but North supporters thought they were fine.