North Melbourne Priority Pick 2021

[naysayer]

I'd imagine his suitors are looking at advanced statistics to determine how much value he would bring to their side, how he'd work in a good team defence, small areas of improvement that he could make to fit in, etc.

I think they'll just watch the games he's played, actually. When it comes to defending it's mostly about positioning, decision-making and intent. They'll also look at the games he's missed through injury.

A curve ball in all of this is that clubs could offer an incentivised contract, which would be good news for Ben (as he might stand to earn 800k as long as he plays more than 15 games per year), but bad news for North because his base salary is all they take into account for FA compensation.

 

[Freomaniac]

He's been playing off the HBF alot. It probably contributes to his high numbers.

Legitimately he should be in the discussion for an AA gig on the HBF. Its not just hype.

Yeah fair enough.

I know players get more disposals on a back flank.

But 593 disposals in 21 games at 26.95 disposals a game is good.

If you are a midfielder aged 23-30 years old and you get 600 disposals in 20-24 games, that's massive numbers

 

[Freomaniac]

Not every North supporter. There were plenty of us who wanted Brad gone precisely because of this. For years.

So Brad Scott is a polarising person at North Melbourne?

From the outside view, I thought he was a solid coach. 10 years of stability. 4 finals wins in that 10 year period. Sounds like Ken Hinkley numbers at port Adelaide LoL.

But yeah.... 2 finals in 2014 and 2 in 2015. It's 2023. So not too many blokes left from that 2014-5 finals wins

 

[Freomaniac]

There was 2002, then 2007, then 2016 but what happened with Maj was tragic and we really haven't had much clear air since.

It obviously hurt the team and the coach. We won 2 games of 9 and then sacked the coach and won 8 of the next 13 games.

Then we won two in a row and have won nine games since.

So really it all went to s**t after the first covid lockdown.

I think lock down has little to do with North Melbournes current problems.

North topped up with older platers in 2014-6. No surprises there. But they won 4 finals in 2014-5.

Once North Melbourne dropped in 2017 when they had 6 wins, I think you knew North Melbourne were in for a rebuild. 2018 delayed it in a way as you guys finished 9th.

North finished just outside the finals spots in 2019.

Then 2020 the drop came in.

 

[HairyO]

Do you think port are gonna win the flag?

True.
There is another pick 14 through 18 in there as well.

So could be 1, 15, 19, 20, 21. That easily allows a crack at pick 4 from GCS.

Why do the Roos need even more support?

 

[Freomaniac]

So you do what the Saints did, make the best of what you had, draft and recruit your ass off, we've turned over the list 3 times since 2012, you guys just threw in the towel now expect the AFL to bail you out

No disrespect to your mob. Having Alan Richardson for 6 seasons from 2014-19 didn't help.

I was shocked he got a 2 year extension in 2015.

I could see why saints gave him a 2 year extension in 2017, after narrowly missing out of finals in 2016-7.

 

[Chadwiko]

So Brad Scott is a polarising person at North Melbourne?

From the outside view, I thought he was a solid coach. 10 years of stability. 4 finals wins in that 10 year period. Sounds like Ken Hinkley numbers at port Adelaide LoL.

But yeah.... 2 finals in 2014 and 2 in 2015. It's 2023. So not too many blokes left from that 2014-5 finals wins

I can only assume, but I suspect Brad Scott is roughly to NMFC supporters as Chris Connolly is to Freo supporters.

 

[Checksider]

Pick 1 and a convoluted gift of pick 2 to a team that’s been tanking all year. What a joke this competition is.

I don’t know what’s in the AFL’s free agency special sauce, but I know that sauce bottle has a giant f***ing blue and white V on it.

 

[Mat Mann]

No disrespect to your mob. Having Alan Richardson for 6 seasons from 2014-19 didn't help.

I was shocked he got a 2 year extension in 2015.

I could see why saints gave him a 2 year extension in 2017, after narrowly missing out of finals in 2016-7.

he should never have got that extension, Rattan as well. Finnis fixed the club off-field, but was very clueless when it came to actual football matters, stability over performance, and always above rocking the boat.

we were a bland organization, run by bland people, perhaps too focused on other things (maybe by force) but footy wasn't our core focus. Moorabbin and profit/loss were overriding factors and Richo was a part of that, a footy dept where the coach is the guiding force doesn't work and our recruiting was horrendous, its record speaks for itself during that period, then we were heavily criticized for trading heavily to rectify a massive list imbalance.

our backline is almost completely rookie and late picks.

but that's the point, we did it to ourselves even trying to rebuild during the heavily compromised drafts of GWS/GCS.


we spent almost 10 years out of finals, Carlton, Essendon, GCS, Adelaide's implosion, and Melbourne went 12 years between finals, Norths just ticked over 6 years.

 

[Caligo]

Pick 1 and a convoluted gift of pick 2 to a team that’s been tanking all year. What a joke this competition is.

I don’t know what’s in the AFL’s free agency special sauce, but I know that sauce bottle has a giant f***ing blue and white V on it.

There are no shortage of dodgy decisions in all directions. Didn't your club just use a dodgy PSD threat to get your captain and best player for a glorified 2nd rounder?

And the club you got him off stole a bona fide father son from a Victorian team?

It is all just a giant circle, and anyone claiming Vic bias or Northern bias or whatever the heck is just engaging in confirmation bias.

 

[ferball]

True.
There is another pick 14 through 18 in there as well.

So could be 1, 15, 19, 20, 21. That easily allows a crack at pick 4 from GCS.

Why do the Roos need even more support?

Right now its one and 15 tho. All the rest is speculation.

 

[ferball]

There are no shortage of dodgy decisions in all directions. Didn't your club just use a dodgy PSD threat to get your captain and best player for a glorified 2nd rounder?

And the club you got him off stole a bona fide father son from a Victorian team?

It is all just a giant circle, and anyone claiming Vic bias or Northern bias or whatever the heck is just engaging in confirmation bias.

That's quite good.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

I’m sure they’ll get the Sanders decision but it’s farcical. Yes he’s a Palawa man and I’ve got no issue with North being given access to him in the normal limited way the AFL set up after Ugle-Hagan and other blokes went early but I really don’t like the bending of the rules that will lead to him being pre-listed. Just makes a mockery of the whole concept. I’d definitely rather a priority pick just being granted.

 

[Freomaniac]

I can only assume, but I suspect Brad Scott is roughly to NMFC supporters as Chris Connolly is to Freo supporters.

2 totally different scenarios and situations.

Brad Scott in 2010-19 at North got mixed views on North Melborune fans. Me personally from a non North Fan and outisiders view. It wasnt a bad period. Yeah people talk about North topping up for a finals tilt and possible flag tilt. Most teams would of done what North did and be happy with finals wins north got in 2014-6.

Chris Connolly era from 2002-7 was a mixed bag for me. especially that 2003-6 era. Dockers Traded heavily from 2000-06. We traded heavily in Guys like Peter Francis Bell, Des Headland and Josh Carr. All 3 won flags at their previous clubs.

It felt like we traded in heavily for some elusive finals success. We finall got it in 2006 winning a semi final and making a prelim final. Connollys coaching era ended in 2007 when North beat us at home, Then mark harvey took over for 4 and half years.

I only wished freo made finals each year from 2003-6. Dockers in their 30 year history made back to back finals just once: 2012-5 era under ross lyon.

Dockers 1st ever final was a elim final loss to essendon in 2003. Essendon would win one more final. That was next season in 2004 vs the demons.

Dockers on the other hand won 7 finals since essendon last finals win. They also had 4 coaches that got at least one finals win each.

At least since 2005, North has won a few finals, 5 since 2005. They won 1 in 2007 under Dean Laidley, they made the prelim final that year.

They then had won those 2 finals in 2014 and 2 in 2015 as well.

 

[Sphynx]

I’m sure they’ll get the Sanders decision but it’s farcical. Yes he’s a Palawa man and I’ve got no issue with North being given access to him in the normal limited way the AFL set up after Ugle-Hagan and other blokes went early but I really don’t like the bending of the rules that will lead to him being pre-listed. Just makes a mockery of the whole concept. I’d definitely rather a priority pick just being granted.

It’s not confirmed it will be a prelisting.

Twomey seems to think it will be exactly as you have suggested, the old NGA rules of 3 years ago.

 

[ferball]

I think lock down has little to do with North Melbournes current problems.

North topped up with older platers in 2014-6. No surprises there. But they won 4 finals in 2014-5.

Once North Melbourne dropped in 2017 when they had 6 wins, I think you knew North Melbourne were in for a rebuild. 2018 delayed it in a way as you guys finished 9th.

North finished just outside the finals spots in 2019.

Then 2020 the drop came in.

The only older players we had left from topping up in 2019/20 was Shaun Higgins.

Higgo, Dal Santo and W80 were the real top ups and they were great. Made a huge difference to our side, especially Higgo and W80.

In 2018 Jed Anderson had something of a break out year, his physical pressure was immense. He would have been one of the hardest players in the comp for a while and at a time when head knocks were being frowned upon he was good at keeping the hard hits on opposition bodies not heads. And Majak Daw had one as well. He finally tapped his potential as a player on the backline. If you look up his 2018 highlights on youtube they're pretty wild. He was a contested marking machine. Made what happened that summer even worse for everyone cos he was on the verge of owning the comp.

And Jack Ziebell went out of the midfield to the forward line where he kicked about 40 goals and kicked for goal poorly. If he'd kicked straight in a few games we would have won them and made finals. But as is repeatedly pointed out on here lack of leadership has really hurt us over the last five or six years. We all love the way Jack went about it but that was a failing of his. A better captain would have won those games off his own boot.

At the end of 2019 Maj had his thing tho and we didn't really recover from that before the hub hit. Who knows what went on there. Dunno if I want to in all honesty.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

It’s not confirmed it will be a prelisting.

Twomey seems to think it will be exactly as you have suggested, the old NGA rules of 3 years ago.

Cheers for the info, Twomey doesn’t get much wrong. I can live with that arrangement if it’s there in lieu of a priority pick.

 

[Sphynx]

Cheers for the info, Twomey doesn’t get much wrong. I can live with that arrangement if it’s there in lieu of a priority pick.

Well, let’s just wait and see, I’m fully anticipating that won’t just be the full extent of it.

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

Well, let’s just wait and see, I’m fully anticipating that won’t just be the full extent of it.

Just curious, do you reckon it’ll be the old NGA access and a priority pick after pick 1? Not mentioning the likely McKay FA pick after your first pick too as that is seperate from this discussion as much as some people would like to say it isn’t.

 

[Freomaniac]

he should never have got that extension, Rattan as well. Finnis fixed the club off-field, but was very clueless when it came to actual football matters, stability over performance, and always above rocking the boat.

we were a bland organization, run by bland people, perhaps too focused on other things (maybe by force) but footy wasn't our core focus. Moorabbin and profit/loss were overriding factors and Richo was a part of that, a footy dept where the coach is the guiding force doesn't work and our recruiting was horrendous, its record speaks for itself during that period, then we were heavily criticized for trading heavily to rectify a massive list imbalance.

our backline is almost completely rookie and late picks.

but that's the point, we did it to ourselves even trying to rebuild during the heavily compromised drafts of GWS/GCS.


we spent almost 10 years out of finals, Carlton, Essendon, GCS, Adelaide's implosion, and Melbourne went 12 years between finals, Norths just ticked over 6 years.

Yeah Timing is and was everything...

But some teams were unlucky to rebuild in the 2010 draft when suns had the most of the 1st rounders. The 2011 draft had GWS have most of the early picks.

I have said this... 2010 wasnt a superdraft like 2001. But there were some solid and serviceable player taken after pick 20.



As I said, Eagles nailed the 2010 draft. They finished bottom but in a normal year they would have pick 1, that got pushed out to pick 4, which they used on Andrew Gaff. Eagles also got Scott Lycett, Jack Darling and Jeremy McGovern.

2011 draft was similar to 2010. It had some good players in the top 10. But there were some solid players taken after the 1st round.

A team like richmond was fortunate too. despite getting a dud in 2010 with Reece Conca with pick 6, they nailed most of their top picks in 2006-09. Getting Riewoldt, cochin, Rance and Martin.

North Melbourne didnt draft well in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. Yet somehow made finals in 2012, then 2014-6.

 

[Freomaniac]

he should never have got that extension, Rattan as well. Finnis fixed the club off-field, but was very clueless when it came to actual football matters, stability over performance, and always above rocking the boat.

we were a bland organization, run by bland people, perhaps too focused on other things (maybe by force) but footy wasn't our core focus. Moorabbin and profit/loss were overriding factors and Richo was a part of that, a footy dept where the coach is the guiding force doesn't work and our recruiting was horrendous, its record speaks for itself during that period, then we were heavily criticized for trading heavily to rectify a massive list imbalance.

our backline is almost completely rookie and late picks.

but that's the point, we did it to ourselves even trying to rebuild during the heavily compromised drafts of GWS/GCS.


we spent almost 10 years out of finals, Carlton, Essendon, GCS, Adelaide's implosion, and Melbourne went 12 years between finals, Norths just ticked over 6 years.

I also noticed you brought up some clubs that have spent years without playing finals.

Reality has set in. Theres 18 teams in this league.

So 8 teams make finals and 10 miss out.

As you said, Saints didnt play 1 final between 2012-19. that is 8 seasons.

Carlton Just made finals for the 1st time since 2013. So they didnt play 1 final from 2014-22.

Crows made a grand final in 2017. Didnt play finals since then. Thats 2018-23. Thats 6 years in a row.

Demons didnt play finals from 2007-17.

I saw through the dockers rebuild of 2016-21.

Gold coast havent made finals since they came to the AFL in 2011.

Norths Last finals match was in 2016. No finals from 2017-23. Thats 7 years and counting.


So in this era, its going to be Common some teams will go through long rebuilds that could result in 5-8 years in a row of no finals.

 

[Crankyhawk]

As

It’s not confirmed it will be a prelisting.

Twomey seems to think it will be exactly as you have suggested, the old NGA rules of 3 years ago.

As in can match of bid is under pick 40 (ie before)

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

Be interesting to see the mental gymnastics at work in this thread from Hawthorn supporters, saying McKay is worth nothing, now that they have joined the queue to pay him $800k.

 

[Caligo]

Be interesting to see the mental gymnastics at work in this thread from Hawthorn supporters, saying McKay is worth nothing, now that they have joined the queue to pay him $800k.

Please, please, please no. Anybody but us.

Surely Sam isn't that stupid?

 

[Chadwiko]

Be interesting to see the mental gymnastics at work in this thread from Hawthorn supporters, saying McKay is worth nothing, now that they have joined the queue to pay him $800k.

It's wonderfully hilarious to read the Hawthorn thread.