Not in Top 8 but drawing 1,000,000.

[shoe]

Seeing as there are one or two Richmond supporters chuffed at the fact so many people potentially might watch them miss the finals this year I thought I'd do a comparison of all clubs average finishing positions (along with finals appearances and premierships over the last 20 ,15, 10 and 5 years.

I would be interested if any Richmond supporters are proud of what those figures tell us. It tells us that they are stone dead last when you compare them to all applicable clubs (those that have been in the comp. for that period) for average finishing position and finals appearances for the last 20, 15 and 10 years. Only Carlton in the last 5 years can claim to have a worse average finishing position. 'Big 4' my ****. Even Freo has a better record than Richmond over the last 10 years...imagine that!


20 Years------------Av Pos--Fin--Prem
West Coast------------5.8----17----3
Geelong---------------6.4----11----1
Essendon--------------6.6----13----2
North Melbourne-------6.7----11----2
Hawthorn--------------8.1----11----3
Melbourne-------------8.1----11----0
Sydney----------------8.2----10----1
Collingwood-----------8.3-----9----1
Carlton---------------8.7-----8----1
Brisbane--------------8.8-----9----3
Western Bulldogs------8.9-----8----0
St Kilda--------------9.5-----7----0
Richmond--------------11.1----2----0

15 Years------------Av Pos--Fin--Prem
North Melbourne-------5.9----11----2
West Coast------------6.3----13----2
Geelong---------------6.7-----8----1
Essendon--------------7.1----10----2
Brisbane--------------7.3-----9----3
Sydney----------------7.3----10----1
Adelaide--------------7.5-----9----1
Melbourne-------------9-------7----0
Carlton---------------9.1-----7----1
Western Bulldogs------9.1-----7----0
Collingwood-----------9.6-----5----0
St Kilda--------------9.7-----5----0
Hawthorn--------------9.8-----6----0
Richmond--------------10.7----2----0

10 Years------------Av Pos--Fin--Prem
Sydney----------------5.6----8----2
Brisbane--------------6.3----6----3
North Melbourne-------6.4----6----1
Adelaide--------------6.6----7----1
Port Adelaide---------6.6----7----1
West Coast------------6.8----8----1
Essendon--------------7.1----7----1
St Kilda----------------8----4----0
Geelong---------------8.1----4----1
Melbourne-------------8.2----6----0
Western Bulldogs------8.3----4----0
Hawthorn--------------9.5----3----0
Collingwood-----------9.7----4----0
Fremantle-------------11-----2----0
Carlton---------------11.1---3----0
Richmond--------------11.3---1----0

5 Years------------Av Pos--Fin--Prem
Sydney----------------3.6----5----1
West Coast------------4.8----5----1
Port Adelaide---------5------4----1
Adelaide--------------5.8----4----1
Geelong---------------6.4----3----1
St Kilda--------------6.4----3----0
Brisbane--------------7.4----2----1
Fremantle-------------7.6----2----0
Collingwood-----------8.2----3----0
North Melbourne-------8.8----2----0
Melbourne-------------9------3----0
Essendon--------------10.4---2----0
Hawthorn--------------10.8---1----0
Western Bulldogs------11.6---1----0
Richmond--------------13.2---0----0
Carlton---------------14.6---0----0

Interesting stats, but a few mistakes there glancing over it.

You'll find that you have 6 premiership winning teams in the last 5 years - might want to put a 0 next to Adelaide there..

 

[Bulldogs Roar]

The big 4 will be around for many more years to make finals ,grand finals and what ever else they want to do.Wake up its better to be rich and unhappy then poor and happy.

Thank god for the "big four". If it wasn't for them we may aswell go fishing because the AFL would just fall over.

No wonder people love to hate Carlton, Collingwood and the like, its becuase arrogant people like yourself.

 

[NQTIGER]

Ummm iwould put carlton ahead of richmond as far as power clubs go. 16 flags, VFL original not 12 years later. As for being able to survive look at the dogs over half a century since our 1st and only flag and we are still here and if memory serves me correctly wasn't there that little campaign Save our Skin Campaign??

BTW i am fully aware of 1989.The big 4 are West Coast, Adelaide, (the top 2 Have Waiting lists for members, however will stand corrected if wrong) Collingwood and Essendon. Followed by Sydney, Carlton, Freo, and Brisbane. If you think you are higher than that you are dillusional.

And the bulldogs ....the leagues most succesfull club never ever rattled the tins.........PMSL 1954

 

[MartyTHEMonster13]

OMG all you people baggin out richmond what the so the tigers have not played finals for what 7 years ok ok fair enough but them how many teams have won more than 10 premierships what the blues essendon carlton and who else of richmond and you geelong people wow u wont a gf the other year what to make it you second ever premiership well you people have alot to bag the tigers out for and hawthorn how long since u won a gf i think it might be as long a drough for you as it is for richmond but then you only beat us by what 2 goals that was i would have to say other than for the doggies game the luckiest escape ever if richmond new how to win with they seem to forget every now and then we would have been the frist team to nock of 2 of the top 3 teams and last year we finished where last shit you must really feel like a bunch of *******s really look at ur own teams before paying out on a team that having a the bloke who picks the players in the draft we have only take the best blokes on like 3 of of the 7 or 8 times where we could have had them imagen if they had taken all the right blokes the tigers could been one of the teams sitting atop of the ladder with 2 or 3 premierships under there belts in the last 8 years

 

[MartyTHEMonster13]

Interesting stats, but a few mistakes there glancing over it.

You'll find that you have 6 premiership winning teams in the last 5 years - might want to put a 0 next to Adelaide there..

ok ok so if u wanna take that back to 25 years u would see that in 83 i think the tigers if i right lost the gf for the 3 consecitie time lol when there last gf win was 80 but so be it its only and extra 5 years ago but i think that if u looked at it they where playing finals and gf but not quite taking them out kinda like collingwood they really are the most unlucky team in a gf i think played in quite a few but kept getting beat

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

OMG all you people baggin out richmond what the so the tigers have not played finals for what 7 years ok ok fair enough but them how many teams have won more than 10 premierships what the blues essendon carlton and who else of richmond and you geelong people wow u wont a gf the other year what to make it you second ever premiership well you people have alot to bag the tigers out for and hawthorn how long since u won a gf i think it might be as long a drough for you as it is for richmond but then you only beat us by what 2 goals that was i would have to say other than for the doggies game the luckiest escape ever if richmond new how to win with they seem to forget every now and then we would have been the frist team to nock of 2 of the top 3 teams and last year we finished where last shit you must really feel like a bunch of *******s really look at ur own teams before paying out on a team that having a the bloke who picks the players in the draft we have only take the best blokes on like 3 of of the 7 or 8 times where we could have had them imagen if they had taken all the right blokes the tigers could been one of the teams sitting atop of the ladder with 2 or 3 premierships under there belts in the last 8 years

James Joyce?

 

[gaelictiogar]

Collingwood did it in 2006, 2007 and are on track to do it in 2 weeks again so it has been done 8 times by us. Funny how in 05 we finished 15th yet had the highest average crowd by some margain, where were you tigers fans last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, gee I could be typing that for the last 20 years

Magpies can't read or count.

You finished in the 8 in 2007 you dolt and have drawn 1,000,000 5 times while OUTSIDE the 8.and as for where the tiges were in 2007 we were drawing more as spooners than you did in 1999 or anyone else has ever done.

Given that we draw more as spooners than you it really is a joke for you to ask where we were while spooning. but i'll allow illiteracy and innumeracy be used as an excuse.

 

[worthy]

Finishing outside the top 8 but nevertheless drawing 1,000,000 fans has been a remarkably rare feat but could find the stats change significantly this yer.

Historically it has only happened eight times with Collingwood, naturally enough, leading the way with five (1995,'97,'98, 2001 and 2005) Essendon with two (1994 and 2007) and richmond with one in 1998.

Obviously only the giants can draw like this but this year we conceivably could see three more examples if as seems possible carlton, essendon and Richmond finish out of the top 8. Carlton who may break into the elite group and Essendon are unlikely to miss out on their third such achievement and Richmond are not far off the pace either currently on target for c.970,000 but with some huge games at home to come may well achieve their second.

What a tribute to the Melbourne footy public.

Does this mean Richmond footy supporters have come to accept mediocrity after years of crap, it is a big step up after all, you've got to worry when all you can find to gloat about is crowd numbers.

 

[muttley3028]

And the bulldogs ....the leagues most succesfull club never ever rattled the tins.........PMSL 1954

I'm aware of that too but I never said the dogs were one of the big four we are clearly in the bottom 3 in regards to power brokers of the AFL clubs. however to think the Tigers are one of the big 4 clubs would be incorrect. There are more clubs ahead of you in relation to History, Premierships, Memberships and financially. How many Finals Campaigns have you made since the Early 80's??? You have to make the finals over a few years before you can even think of winning a flag. Not 3 Campaigns in 26 years.

 

[muttley3028]

...hawthorn how long since u won a gf i think it might be as long a drough for you as it is for richmond ...

Hawthorns last flag was 1991. Defeated West Coast with arguably the best Half Time Entertainment Ever!!!!! Angry Anderson in that Bat Mobile does it get any better????

Prior to that they won in 1989 beat the cats in one classic GF Not to mention the 1988, 1986, 1983 as well.

So their drought isn't that bad actually they have won 5 since your last.

 

[Waverley73]

Interesting stats, but a few mistakes there glancing over it.

You'll find that you have 6 premiership winning teams in the last 5 years - might want to put a 0 next to Adelaide there..

Yeah, sorry about that - all fixed now.

 

[gaelictiogar]

Does this mean Richmond footy supporters have come to accept mediocrity after years of crap, it is a big step up after all, you've got to worry when all you can find to gloat about is crowd numbers.

Of course we don't accept mediocrity but that is what we have had for years. That is changing now and we have the best young list in the game and will be firing very soon.

Given the dreadful generation of form it is a legitimate source of pride that despite our reputation as the ultimate bandwagoners we have statistically proven ourselves to be the ultimate loyalists. Over the past dozen years or so we are in the top 3 crowd pullers - though to be fair effectively level with Carlton - .....It's bizarre supposedly the ultimate bandwagoners rarely near the 8 let alone in it year on year but still top 3 for crowds.

 

[Waverley73]

Of course we don't accept mediocrity but that is what we have had for years. That is changing now and we have the best young list in the game and will be firing very soon.

Given the dreadful generation of form it is a legitimate source of pride that despite our reputation as the ultimate bandwagoners we have statistically proven ourselves to be the ultimate loyalists. Over the past dozen years or so we are in the top 3 crowd pullers - though to be fair effectively level with Carlton - .....It's bizarre supposedly the ultimate bandwagoners rarely near the 8 let alone in it year on year but still top 3 for crowds.

You are setting yourself up for a big fall fella. A win against the worst West Coast team (by a country mile) in living memory and all of a sudden you are heralding a new era for Richmond.

The AFL needs Richmond and Fremantle - they keep us laughing year after year. Well done for that!

 

[swoodley]

ok ok so if u wanna take that back to 25 years u would see that in 83 i think the tigers if i right lost the gf for the 3 consecitie time lol when there last gf win was 80 but so be it its only and extra 5 years ago but i think that if u looked at it they where playing finals and gf but not quite taking them out kinda like collingwood they really are the most unlucky team in a gf i think played in quite a few but kept getting beat

Richmond won the flag in 1980 and were runners up in 1982, They did not make the GF in 1981 (Carlton V Collingwood).

You need to go back to the late 60's / early to mid 70's to find a period where Richmond were regularly playing in Grand Finals.

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

Magpies can't read or count.

You finished in the 8 in 2007 you dolt and have drawn 1,000,000 5 times while OUTSIDE the 8.and as for where the tiges were in 2007 we were drawing more as spooners than you did in 1999 or anyone else has ever done.

Given that we draw more as spooners than you it really is a joke for you to ask where we were while spooning. but i'll allow illiteracy and innumeracy be used as an excuse.

For the record

Spoon years

Collingwood 1999 : 890,000

Richmond 2004 : 750,000
Richmond 2007 : 910,000

Not sure what you are trying to claim in terms of your bigger crowds in a spoon year. You did one year by a little but were a mile below the other year.

You got 970,000 in 2001 when you last made the finals and were 850,000 in other years this decade, including 2006 when you came 9th

I'd suggest you were relying on other teams supporters last year, the sheedy / hird farewell as an example

 

[gaelictiogar]

For the record

Spoon years

Collingwood 1999 : 890,000

Richmond 2004 : 750,000
Richmond 2007 : 910,000

Not sure what you are trying to claim in terms of your bigger crowds in a spoon year. You did one year by a little but were a mile below the other year.

You got 970,000 in 2001 when you last made the finals and were 850,000 in other years this decade, including 2006 when you came 9th

I'd suggest you were relying on other teams supporters last year, the sheedy / hird farewell as an example

And I suppose no demons turn up on QB or no Bombers on Anzac? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander chaz.


What I'm claiming is what I said. The 2007 Tigers were the highest drawing spoon team on record. No more or less than that. The supposedly fairweather Tigers are the best ever drawing spoon team.

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

And I suppose no demons turn up on QB or no Bombers on Anzac? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander chaz.


What I'm claiming is what I said. The 2007 Tigers were the highest drawing spoon team on record. No more or less than that. The supposedly fairweather Tigers are the best ever drawing spoon team.

Bombers on anzac day I'd grant you...

My point was, in statistics, if you have 7 observations and 6 of them are telling one story and one is telling another then the sensible conclusion would be to treat the one as an outlier and focus on the six.

So you made the finals in one you got 970,000

you generally finished varying degrees outside the 8 and got mid 800,000s

you had two spoon years, one got 750,000 the other got 910,000

910,00 is the one that doesn't fit with the rest

 

[gaelictiogar]

I'd be the first to admit we need some consistent success to get our turn out up to the place is could be if we were in 1960s to 80s form. I never deny that. What I am implying is that our record spoon year in 2007 is indicative of the kind of core support the least successful club of the plast generation can rely on.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Bombers on anzac day I'd grant you...

My point was, in statistics, if you have 7 observations and 6 of them are telling one story and one is telling another then the sensible conclusion would be to treat the one as an outlier and focus on the six.

So you made the finals in one you got 970,000

you generally finished varying degrees outside the 8 and got mid 800,000s

you had two spoon years, one got 750,000 the other got 910,000

910,00 is the one that doesn't fit with the rest

You need to factor in that 2004 was the last year of Frawley's contract and that he announced his resignation partway through the season. I was less enthusiastic about going to the footy that year than ever before.

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

I'd be the first to admit we need some consistent success to get our turn out up to the place is could be if we were in 1960s to 80s form. I never deny that. What I am implying is that our record spoon year in 2007 is indicative of the kind of core support the least successful club of the plast generation can rely on.

Not argueing that richmond don't have a strong core support

Your toal attendances last year (certainly in the last 25 years) was your third highest ever. Good effort of course, however you were pulling half that in a season late 80's and early nineties

1999 is our lowest since 1991 when we were still playing most our games at vic park