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[hansie]

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You go and offer to pay some of the local schools for access to their oval or maybe even offer to run some clinics for kids at the school. You never know, you might recruit some new juniors. Council has no say over the use of school ovals.

And iirc state school ovals are essentially public open space outside school times. Couple in our area that I know of have posts up still…


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[CliffMcTainshaw]

The problem is footy regularly doesn't respect that it's not their tenancy during summer. That's why councils have to enforce these strict allowances for access to grounds, so cricket clubs can use the facilities they've paid council to use without being bullied into letting footy do what they want.

It's the whole reason why the State Govt originally brought in the determination. It's left up to local councils to enforce. The determination is signed every 4 years. It has been an agreement supported by both sides of politics from late last century onwards. It has been a problem since the very first agreement between the VCA and the VFA in 1946.
https://www.cricketvictoria.com.au/.../04/CV-AFLV-Determination-of-Seasons-2019.pdf

 

[Voice of the G]

And iirc state school ovals are essentially public open space outside school times. Couple in our area that I know of have posts up still…


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Was always wish of mine and still is that councils look after school ovals and State Governments help schools with update of their facilities with change rooms and then we would not have problems of shortage of grounds.BUT looks like that will never happen these days.I have discussed this with our local state member about 12 years ago and she had the same thoughts.

 

[The Kaiser Chief]

Was always wish of mine and still is that councils look after school ovals and State Governments help schools with update of their facilities with change rooms and then we would not have problems of shortage of grounds.BUT looks like that will never happen these days.I have discussed this with our local state member about 12 years ago and she had the same thoughts.

Lets be honest here........we have local footy clubs and some junior teams starting to train before the AFL clubs do.
We all know it is a joke and there is absolutley no need whatsoever for local clubs to be training this early.
But one one club does and has some success ............so it becomes follow the leader.......... and clubs are worried if they don't start training, their players will train somewhere else and consider leaving .............

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Lets be honest here........we have local footy clubs and some junior teams starting to train before the AFL clubs do.
We all know it is a joke and there is absolutley no need whatsoever for local clubs to be training this early.
But one one club does and has some success ............so it becomes follow the leader.......... and clubs are worried if they don't start training, their players will train somewhere else and consider leaving .............

It’s still going to be a problem whenever they start. No footy club is ever going to start training in the week of their first match (start of April) so at some point they will need training space during “cricket season”.

It’s a problem as old as time and if the government and the AFL actually wanted to solve it then they have to get off their arses and do something. Many people have suggested schools and maybe that’s a big part of the solution - if so then open dialogue with the Education Department and ****in do something about it.

Also if you’re an old boys club then you should get no public space for pre season, train at the school. You’re a school club. Write that into their council leases, will solve some issues. Find a way for all the pristine private school ovals to be used more. Many old boys clubs already do this.

 

[adock]

It’s still going to be a problem whenever they start. No footy club is ever going to start training in the week of their first match (start of April) so at some point they will need training space during “cricket season”.

It’s a problem as old as time and if the government and the AFL actually wanted to solve it then they have to get off their arses and do something. Many people have suggested schools and maybe that’s a big part of the solution - if so then open dialogue with the Education Department and ****in do something about it.

Also if you’re an old boys club then you should get no public space for pre season, train at the school. You’re a school club. Write that into their council leases, will solve some issues. Find a way for all the pristine private school ovals to be used more. Many old boys clubs already do this.

Agree that training would need to be done in cricket season anyway but starting it after Christmas would at least allow cricket clubs to feel like they have had their rooms and ground for sometime to themselves before football comes knocking.

But also the pettiness of cricket clubs is ridiculous. Ive been involved with both sides over the years and cricket have always been sooks about anything. A cricket club i was involved in deliberately scheduled a single junior teams training to mon and weds to stop football doing pre season. They barely trained and when they did there was only 6-7 kids there and the usually used the nets.

And the one time a player wears boots its etched in their minds forever, even though most of the grounds are pristine. I had to laugh when a single female footballer (who probably genuinely didn't know) was caught wearing boots out of 20 players caused a huge explosion from the CC president while at the same time 15-20 young afghan boys were playing soccer up the other end of the oval all wearing boots. They were a social group who have every right to use the oval and were there 2 or 3 times a week. It never made any difference to the ground.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Agree that training would need to be done in cricket season anyway but starting it after Christmas would at least allow cricket clubs to feel like they have had their rooms and ground for sometime to themselves before football comes knocking.

But also the pettiness of cricket clubs is ridiculous. Ive been involved with both sides over the years and cricket have always been sooks about anything. A cricket club i was involved in deliberately scheduled a single junior teams training to mon and weds to stop football doing pre season. They barely trained and when they did there was only 6-7 kids there and the usually used the nets.

And the one time a player wears boots its etched in their minds forever, even though most of the grounds are pristine. I had to laugh when a single female footballer (who probably genuinely didn't know) was caught wearing boots out of 20 players caused a huge explosion from the CC president while at the same time 15-20 young afghan boys were playing soccer up the other end of the oval all wearing boots. They were a social group who have every right to use the oval and were there 2 or 3 times a week. It never made any difference to the ground.

Yep that’s just relationships. I’ve seen similar. But also cases where everybody gets on. Helps a lot to have committees where people have been involved in both sports so they get it.

 

[eddiesmith]

The ridiculousness of footy pre season for local clubs contributes, plus Oct/Nov is still a wet part of the year. At least if training was after Australia Day the grounds are more likely to be dry.

Played on a ground last week that clearly the footy club has been using and wearing boots, was shocking.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Part of the problem there is the seasons are clearly wrong. Should be May - Oct and Nov - Apr.

April is hotter than October, October has more rainfall than April.

It leads to practice matches being played in March in scorching conditions. Plenty of Saturdays well into the 30s in March over the past few years.

The AFL season needs to be shifted back a month and everything would follow from there. It would work with cricket as almost all state cricket can be played on dedicated crickets grounds, and the internationals don’t start until November anyway. October is a totally dead time. Would probably be pushback from racing, which is a powerful lobby group.

 

[rightfoot_sloth]

Part of the problem there is the seasons are clearly wrong. Should be May - Oct and Nov - Apr.

April is hotter than October, October has more rainfall than April.

It leads to practice matches being played in March in scorching conditions. Plenty of Saturdays well into the 30s in March over the past few years.

The AFL season needs to be shifted back a month and everything would follow from there. It would work with cricket as almost all state cricket can be played on dedicated crickets grounds, and the internationals don’t start until November anyway. October is a totally dead time. Would probably be pushback from racing, which is a powerful lobby group.

Makes a lot of sense does that adjustment to the start and end of seasons.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I'm sure that if you go back to the 19th century they were pretty much the two seasons.
It was the case in WA until sometime after WWI and I am sure that I have read of instances in Victoria as well.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Makes a lot of sense does that adjustment to the start and end of seasons.

It is most ridiculous at AFL level which is now 30 weeks.

Opening round
24 rounds
Pre finals bye
4 weeks finals

Next year the H&A season starts March 6th, so pre-season matches will be well into February.

The season has lengthened considerably but we have had to remain glued to the end of September, so it all gets tacked on the front and we play in roasting summer conditions. Meanwhile you sit there through October when it’s very often mild or even raining and there’s nothing on.

It’s obvious the whole thing needs to go back a month, I’m sure the racing industry has something to do with it not moving.

Give cricket November - April and local footy can be May - October.

At the elite level I think it could work too, I know they like to start state cricket earlier as it gives them a decent run in to the Test series. Victoria now has a dedicated shield venue at the Junction Oval which I’m sure they could use if they wanted to start before November, as would other states. They don’t need the MCG except for internationals and Big Bash.

 

[eflreceiver]

How things have changed over a few decades. It shows my age, but training before Christmas was just an excuse to meet up and get on the beers. I don't remember doing any training unless carrying the empties to the bin was involved. Back then we all played cricket so cricket training included getting on the beers and the two codes worked well together as we were all basically one club. Football training never really fired up to mid-Jan. Now we have a Us v Them mentality and the Councils are just an annoyance as most councilors have no involvement in local sports and are simply there to hopefully push their political careers to a higher level. It's just a major cluster ****. Yes, Schools should be the alternative and if that started to happen I can guarantee the helicopter parents would step in and fight it all the way.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I have asked a few younger blokes about early pre season training and they all pretty much gave the same answer - they don’t mind it because they need to stay fit anyway… and for a couple of tough workouts per week, they’d rather do it together than on their own. Many would probably organise their own training group anyway.

I’m sure most clubs would be pretty reasonable, if you say you want a break from the group but come back after Xmas in good shape then I doubt they’d have a problem. I certainly wouldn’t be turning away a decent player for that.

 

[localfootylegend23]

I have asked a few younger blokes about early pre season training and they all pretty much gave the same answer - they don’t mind it because they need to stay fit anyway… and for a couple of tough workouts per week, they’d rather do it together than on their own. Many would probably organise their own training group anyway.

I’m sure most clubs would be pretty reasonable, if you say you want a break from the group but come back after Xmas in good shape then I doubt they’d have a problem. I certainly wouldn’t be turning away a decent player for that.

Starting in Jan still gives you a very good base by round 1, if everyone's there and ready to go, usually mondays/wednesdays are tough to make seeming everyone's life is dictated by tuesday thursday training

Pre xmas is a good way to build some momentum, wouldn't have thought many over 30 would be there though..

 

[The Kaiser Chief]

It is most ridiculous at AFL level which is now 30 weeks.

Opening round
24 rounds
Pre finals bye
4 weeks finals

Next year the H&A season starts March 6th, so pre-season matches will be well into February.

The season has lengthened considerably but we have had to remain glued to the end of September, so it all gets tacked on the front and we play in roasting summer conditions. Meanwhile you sit there through October when it’s very often mild or even raining and there’s nothing on.

It’s obvious the whole thing needs to go back a month, I’m sure the racing industry has something to do with it not moving.

Give cricket November - April and local footy can be May - October.

At the elite level I think it could work too, I know they like to start state cricket earlier as it gives them a decent run in to the Test series. Victoria now has a dedicated shield venue at the Junction Oval which I’m sure they could use if they wanted to start before November, as would other states. They don’t need the MCG except for internationals and Big Bash.

daylight savings would need to move with it

 

[localfootyguru]

Was always wish of mine and still is that councils look after school ovals and State Governments help schools with update of their facilities with change rooms and then we would not have problems of shortage of grounds.BUT looks like that will never happen these days.I have discussed this with our local state member about 12 years ago and she had the same thoughts.

Councils can’t even look after the assets under their control GMAC so please don’t have them look after school ovals too. The way Knox Council has managed ovals in recent times after spending significant amounts of money to upgrade them has been abhorrent. What they have done to The Basin FNC in recent years with the management/ maintenance of Batterham Reserve has been a disgrace. The Manager of their Parks and Open Space has absolutely no experience or understanding in the management of sportsfields which is an absolute embarrassment. Apparently they are a good ‘business manager’ though….

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

I have discussed this with our local state member about 12 years ago and she had the same thoughts.

D wouldn't know up from down and she would have automatically put it into the too hard basket.

 

[cromball90]

Should have allowed Ashwood entry.

Heard they were knocked back due to how the club is run off field

 

[localfootylegend23]

Heard they were knocked back due to how the club is run off field

Spoken about earlier i think the EFL backed out from pressure from AFLVIC, trying to halt teams leaving leagues having seen it a lot recently. I dunno why SFL wouldn't just approve to be fair. Why want a unhappy tenant, who more the likely will regroup for a bigger push out the year after.

 

[cromball90]

Spoken about earlier i think the EFL backed out from pressure from AFLVIC,

Wouldnt buy into that at all if I were u. Heard this was solely on the club and how they managed the process
Disorganised and didn’t have ducks in order when needed

 

[hansie]

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D wouldn't know up from down and she would have automatically put it into the too hard basket.

Agreed. While not from her side of politics and therefore biased she was one of the least impressive parliamentarians I ever had misfortune to meet…


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[Bunk Moreland]

Interestingly was told that Lysterfield have officially split from South Belgrave and are no longer aligned.

Instead Lysterfield will be aligned with Scoresby.

Always rivers of talent coming out of Lysterfield, this is a big loss for SB and a huge gain for Scoresby, Lysterfield juniors will be one pointers.

Wonder how it happened

 

[adock]

Interestingly was told that Lysterfield have officially split from South Belgrave and are no longer aligned.

Instead Lysterfield will be aligned with Scoresby.

Always rivers of talent coming out of Lysterfield, this is a big loss for SB and a huge gain for Scoresby, Lysterfield juniors will be one pointers.

Wonder how it happened

Heard that a few months ago there had been a changeover or takeover of the committee and that the new committee were more aligned to Scoresby. There are a few ex Scoresby players involved in coaching juniors etc. Hadn't heard it was official.

But some very unhappy parents who aren't too enthusiastic about Scoresby. Also some feel a former league staffer had a fair bit to do with the split from South Belgrave and to his former club Scoresby.

 

[localfootylegend23]

Interestingly was told that Lysterfield have officially split from South Belgrave and are no longer aligned.

Instead Lysterfield will be aligned with Scoresby.

Always rivers of talent coming out of Lysterfield, this is a big loss for SB and a huge gain for Scoresby, Lysterfield juniors will be one pointers.

Wonder how it happened

Be f'ed if I know why they chose scoresby. But I know south belgrave would've taken the partnership for granted though. Rather focus on cash for height to blow on mercenaries rather than on their future!

Do scoresby have juniors? Dunno if having two junior clubs to be 1 pointers should be allowed but regardless Lysterfield often have a abundance of eastern ranges and interleague players. Huge get .