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Bunk Moreland said:
Or a down 5 years… or have to try to recruit with something other than money and convince players to come to your club… or have to face and fight relegation without being able to go and buy ten new players.

Life’s tough.
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Or poach young players from other clubs with all sorts of false promises and claim them as their own when they succeed or just push them out the door if they arent and then they are lost to footy due to being totally disillusioned. They did this for years.
 
Young gun Lachie Kruger has left The Basin and signed with Bayswater. Joins a growing list of quality players to exit Batterham Reserve this off season.

Wonder now whether The Basin has done an East Burwood with their coaching appointment. Jason Wade is a highly decorated player and by all accounts is very well respected but is still a first time 1s coach and for me the appointment was a little bit surprising. For whatever reason they seem to be bleeding quality players.

Also hearing a couple more 'signed' East Burwood players are training with a Premier Div club.
 
adock said:
Young gun Lachie Kruger has left The Basin and signed with Bayswater. Joins a growing list of quality players to exit Batterham Reserve this off season.

Wonder now whether The Basin has done an East Burwood with their coaching appointment. Jason Wade is a highly decorated player and by all accounts is very well respected but is still a first time 1s coach and for me the appointment was a little bit surprising. For whatever reason they seem to be bleeding quality players.

Also hearing a couple more 'signed' East Burwood players are training with a Premier Div club.
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Martini at Rowville and Hanlon at Vermont. Haven't heard anymore and have been told all have basically signed up but as with Hanlon, signing contracts don't mean shit these days. EB has a few signings and a few more in discussions. As far as the new Senior Coach all the feedback I have is they are happy. Other coaching appointments have been done. It's slow and steady at EB. The Basin is interesting though.
 

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adock said:
Young gun Lachie Kruger has left The Basin and signed with Bayswater. Joins a growing list of quality players to exit Batterham Reserve this off season.

Wonder now whether The Basin has done an East Burwood with their coaching appointment. Jason Wade is a highly decorated player and by all accounts is very well respected but is still a first time 1s coach and for me the appointment was a little bit surprising. For whatever reason they seem to be bleeding quality players.

Also hearing a couple more 'signed' East Burwood players are training with a Premier Div club.
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Not sure if The Basin is so much about the new coach as the departure of the old one… he had brought players in through his and his brothers contacts and with him leaving a few have gone with him.

As we all know when a few good players leave it can start momentum as others don’t think there’s much chance of success and they start to listen to the offers they get from other clubs.

Probably not much more than the end of an era and the start of a rebuild.
 
eflreceiver said:
Martini at Rowville and Hanlon at Vermont. Haven't heard anymore and have been told all have basically signed up but as with Hanlon, signing contracts don't mean s**t these days. EB has a few signings and a few more in discussions. As far as the new Senior Coach all the feedback I have is they are happy. Other coaching appointments have been done. It's slow and steady at EB. The Basin is interesting though.
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Contracts do mean something, the club is within their rights to refuse a transfer and there’ll be nothing the new club or player can do.

I know it’s sometimes just easiest to let them go but if you think it might be retrievable you can hold them to the contract.

12 months ago Morrison from Noble Park “signed” and was announced by Keysborough, Noble said nope he’s already signed with us, is required and is staying. Has a good year and wins a flag. So it can work out.
 
Interesting article in the Age today about gambling sponsorship of local sport. It will inevitably spread further (as it has now spread to Monash Council) to Councils where other EFNL clubs play. If Whitehorse ever adopt the Darebin Council approach to gambling and club sponsor ship, then Vermont will have to make major changes.
Monash Council gives local sports clubs ultimatum over pokies sponsorships
 
Monash Council should butt the **** out. They’re landlords - that’s it - and should be acting like it, not trying to run club’s businesses. Which are run by volunteers, of course. It’s not easy and now they’re attempting to dictate who can and can’t sponsor a club. Now you’re not allowed to have the local pub as a sponsor? For Christ’s sake.

If the move was tested in court I wouldn’t be surprised if it was illegal, commercial tenants (ie sports clubs) have a right to run their business.

If you want to ban pokies then ban them. Otherwise how anybody could deny community clubs getting some of the money is beyond me.
 
Monash Council released their Sports Club Framework - https://www.monash.vic.gov.au/files...ve-monash-sports-club-framework-2022-2027.pdf

"Ultimately, clubs that fail to achieve mandatory accreditation will become a lower priority for access to grounds and facilities where demand exceeds supply to ensure community benefit is maximised".

It's quite interesting and they want to help your club grow whilst cutting income streams. What they put up is unrealistic in many cases and I would suggest that this has been drawn up by people that have little or no involvement in Senior Football Clubs. One example is to be Platinum you have to be ia alcohol-free club.

I do laugh as they believe that following their framework will.
• Increased membership potential and pathway connections
• Increased pool of potential volunteers
• Increased access to revenue streams or sponsorship opportunities
 
CliffMcTainshaw said:
Interesting article in the Age today about gambling sponsorship of local sport. It will inevitably spread further (as it has now spread to Monash Council) to Councils where other EFNL clubs play. If Whitehorse ever adopt the Darebin Council approach to gambling and club sponsor ship, then Vermont will have to make major changes.
Monash Council gives local sports clubs ultimatum over pokies sponsorships
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It will not ban pokies venues – including local hotels, pubs and RSL clubs– from funding local sporting groups. But the sports clubs will be barred from promoting or advertising those sponsors in their clubrooms, in newsletters, and on fields and scoreboards.
 
eflreceiver said:
Monash Council released their Sports Club Framework - https://www.monash.vic.gov.au/files...ve-monash-sports-club-framework-2022-2027.pdf

"Ultimately, clubs that fail to achieve mandatory accreditation will become a lower priority for access to grounds and facilities where demand exceeds supply to ensure community benefit is maximised".

It's quite interesting and they want to help your club grow whilst cutting income streams. What they put up is unrealistic in many cases and I would suggest that this has been drawn up by people that have little or no involvement in Senior Football Clubs. One example is to be Platinum you have to be ia alcohol-free club.

I do laugh as they believe that following their framework will.
• Increased membership potential and pathway connections
• Increased pool of potential volunteers
• Increased access to revenue streams or sponsorship opportunities
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It’s difficult to know what planet these people are on.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Contracts do mean something, the club is within their rights to refuse a transfer and there’ll be nothing the new club or player can do.

I know it’s sometimes just easiest to let them go but if you think it might be retrievable you can hold them to the contract.

12 months ago Morrison from Noble Park “signed” and was announced by Keysborough, Noble said nope he’s already signed with us, is required and is staying. Has a good year and wins a flag. So it can work out.
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Similar happened with Nick Murphy many years ago. Donvale had to pretty much pay out the contract to another club in order to get him back to Donvale. Might have been North Ringwood?
 
eflreceiver said:
It will not ban pokies venues – including local hotels, pubs and RSL clubs– from funding local sporting groups. But the sports clubs will be barred from promoting or advertising those sponsors in their clubrooms, in newsletters, and on fields and scoreboards.
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It’s not the role of local government to even be involved in this stuff. Gambling and alcohol is still a legal product if I am correct and regardless of what we think these venues put large amounts of funds and support into community clubs in various ways. Without it community clubs (regardless of the sport) may disappear and therefore recreational opportunities for community members are not available.

Local government is there to provide facilities and support these clubs to maximise participation and support the development of healthy and vibrant communities. Whilst I am not a fan of gambling it is not the role of local government to make these types of decisions which impact on how a community sporting club operates/ functions. Did the council also think of the many local residents that may be employed by these venues and the potential impacts there as well.

Local government needs to focus on their 3 core responsibilities - rates, roads and rubbish. Which they often don’t do well either!
 
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Bunk Moreland said:
Not sure if The Basin is so much about the new coach as the departure of the old one… he had brought players in through his and his brothers contacts and with him leaving a few have gone with him.

As we all know when a few good players leave it can start momentum as others don’t think there’s much chance of success and they start to listen to the offers they get from other clubs.

Probably not much more than the end of an era and the start of a rebuild.
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Just a period of transition for The Basin. Have lost a couple of players wanting to test themselves at a higher level. History says they will return sometime. Still have kept the majority of recruits the previous coach brought with them and have good depth and very strong under 19s as shown by the premiership in 2022 along with having a second unders team (most EFNL clubs are struggling to field a single team). Certainly no doom and gloom for the club and Jason Wade has been an excellent appointment. Going to be ok in 2023.
 
localfootyguru said:
It’s not the role of local government to even be involved in this stuff. Gambling and alcohol is still a legal product if I am correct and regardless of what we think these venues put large amounts of funds and support into community clubs in various ways. Without it community clubs (regardless of the sport) may disappear and therefore recreational opportunities for community members are not available.

Local government is there to provide facilities and support these clubs to maximise participation and support the development of healthy and vibrant communities. Whilst I am not a fan of gambling it is not the role of local government to make these types of decisions which impact on how a community sporting club operates/ functions. Did the council also think of the many local residents that may be employed by these venues and the potential impacts there as well.

Local government needs to focus on their 3 core responsibilities - rates, roads and rubbish. Which they often don’t do well either!
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As stupid as the signage rules are - they don’t even have anything to do with gambling, it could just be the name of a pub, and it’s banned - I could maybe get my head around it. Okay, for the whole week they don’t want the sign at a public ground, no matter how tenuous the link to gambling is.

This policy attempts to include footy club websites, social media, email newsletters, everything!

It’s ridiculous overreach and I’d be interested what commercial lawyers had to say about it.

And let’s not forget the millions in rates that the council themselves collect from pubs etc.
 
I checked out each Councilor and only one has had involvement with a football club and that was juniors. I understand what they wish to implement and in saying that they simply don't understand what they are asking. All this is going to do is cause a rift between sporting clubs and the council.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
It’s kinda funny to watch Oakleigh District and Forest Hill announce their new players with all the details and suspiciously neglect to mention their former clubs.

I mean really, is it that embarrassing? If they weren’t actually featured in the videos then surely it’s not a big deal they’re from Glen Waverley

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eflreceiver said:
I checked out each Councilor and only one has had involvement with a football club and that was juniors. I understand what they wish to implement and in saying that they simply don't understand what they are asking. All this is going to do is cause a rift between sporting clubs and the council.
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I tend to agree with you that the council just don’t understand the effect their policies will have on sports clubs. I do know from having a friend who was on the Monash Council for a long time, that gambling losses have really impacted on the region. This was discussed on the old EFL forum some time ago. If I remember correctly at the time Monash had the sixth largest losses to gambling in Victoria at somewhere near $115 million. Since pokies were introduced into Monash, total losses were more than $2 billion (these numbers are from about 10 years ago and may well have increased). I know that the council has had to devote considerable resources to help families in the area due to problems caused by gambling addictions. Councils cannot ban gambling, that is controlled by the State, so I can only guess that these policies are their response.

Pokie venues are required to allocate eight per cent of their net gaming machine revenue to eligible community contributions.

The areas that those contributions can cover are:

Charitable and Social Welfare.
  • payment to a charitable organisation.
  • payment supports community development.
  • helps raise standard of living for a community.
Problem Gambling.
  • counselling or support services for problem gamblers.
  • training or education programs on recognition or avoidance of problem gambling.
  • problem gambling public awareness programs.
  • problem gambling research.
Sport and recreation.
  • promoting or developing sporting activities e.g. junior sports coaching sessions.
  • wages and expenses for sports persons, coaches and umpires.
  • sports uniform and equipment.
  • maintenance of public sports facilities.
Non Profit Activities.
  • any non-profit /non-political activities of community benefit e.g. contributions to schools or educational programs; to ethnic organisations for multicultural activities.
Community Infrastructure.
  • payments for construction or development of infrastructure for community use e.g. expenses for upgrade of sporting ovals or facilities; oval lighting; playgrounds.
If the council are hoping that the expenditure Pokie venues contribute to sports clubs is somehow going to increase contributions to other areas, I believe they are wrong.

The split up of the contributions are determined by each Pokie venue. They can put everything into one area. A lot of Pokie venues have been exposed as doing just that. Contributing to only Community Infrastructure, spending the money on the development of their own venues by justifying the expenditure as benefiting community use. What a con, make your venue even more appealing to punters.

I can only see it as being detrimental to the survival of sports clubs. Sponsorships are hard to get and just as hard to maintain.

My other thought on this, is that these policies have been part of the fallout from the Glen Waverley Hawks fiasco.

Monash seem to have used this study to help develop their policies.
https://fare.org.au/wp-content/uplo...operating-poker-machines-in-the-ACT-FINAL.pdf
 
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CliffMcTainshaw said:
I tend to agree with you that the council just don’t understand the effect their policies will have on sports clubs. I do know from having a friend who was on the Monash Council for a long time, that gambling losses have really impacted on the region. This was discussed on the old EFL forum some time ago. If I remember correctly at the time Monash had the sixth largest losses to gambling in Victoria at somewhere near $115 million. Since pokies were introduced into Monash, total losses were more than $2 billion (these numbers are from about 10 years ago and may well have increased). I know that the council has had to devote considerable resources to help families in the area due to problems caused by gambling addictions. Councils cannot ban gambling, that is controlled by the State, so I can only guess that these policies are their response.

Pokie venues are required to allocate eight per cent of their net gaming machine revenue to eligible community contributions.

The areas that those contributions can cover are:

Charitable and Social Welfare.
  • payment to a charitable organisation.
  • payment supports community development.
  • helps raise standard of living for a community.
Problem Gambling.
  • counselling or support services for problem gamblers.
  • training or education programs on recognition or avoidance of problem gambling.
  • problem gambling public awareness programs.
  • problem gambling research.
Sport and recreation.
  • promoting or developing sporting activities e.g. junior sports coaching sessions.
  • wages and expenses for sports persons, coaches and umpires.
  • sports uniform and equipment.
  • maintenance of public sports facilities.
Non Profit Activities.
  • any non-profit /non-political activities of community benefit e.g. contributions to schools or educational programs; to ethnic organisations for multicultural activities.
Community Infrastructure.
  • payments for construction or development of infrastructure for community use e.g. expenses for upgrade of sporting ovals or facilities; oval lighting; playgrounds.
If the council are hoping that the expenditure Pokie venues contribute to sports clubs is somehow going to increase contributions to other areas, I believe they are wrong.

The split up of the contributions are determined by each Pokie venue. They can put everything into one area. A lot of Pokie venues have been exposed as doing just that. Contributing to only Community Infrastructure, spending the money on the development of their own venues by justifying the expenditure as benefiting community use. What a con, make your venue even more appealing to punters.

I can only see it as being detrimental to the survival of sports clubs. Sponsorships are hard to get and just as hard to maintain.

My other thought on this, is that these policies have been part of the fallout from the Glen Waverley Hawks fiasco.

Monash seem to have used this study to help develop their policies.
https://fare.org.au/wp-content/uplo...operating-poker-machines-in-the-ACT-FINAL.pdf
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This stuff was well in train before the Glen Waverley stuff.

In short it’s a bullshit policy with absolutely questionable benefits.

Gambling laws are a state issue, not a council issue. I’ve been involved in the industry in the past - not pokies related, but gambling in general.

In short there’s a lot of councillors who’s #1 priority is to do “big” or “landmark” things to use their position as a springboard to state or federal politics. I have little doubt that is what motivates many Monash councillors (not saying it’s all, but there’d 100% be careerists there).

So they try to “take the lead” on issues that really have nothing to do with them.

The biggest issue here of course is that Monash City is not an island. It’s just a group of suburbs in south-east Melbourne with no border around it other than for council purposes. Council borders mean nothing to people, businesses or sporting clubs in the real world.

All this would achieve is the money these sporting clubs get from their local pubs and clubs likely being shifted to other nearby sporting clubs who are able to promote them to their members. They are running a business after all.

It’s appropriate that it’s a state or even a federal issue, not a local one.

I’d be staggered if any Monash sporting clubs are actively promoting gambling to their members. If they are, then sure, measures might be required.

But the idea that they can’t put the logo of their local pub on their website or newsletter is absolutely absurd overreach. The majority of local sporting clubs nationally would have a local pub as a sponsor.

I’d be surprised if there weren’t legal issues with this bullshit.

In any case, if they’re smart and organised, every senior footy, cricket, soccer and whoever else club in Monash should just get together and send one letter to their councillors saying they can’t be bound by this policy for financial reasons and they won’t be implementing the changes.

Council could and probably would pick on single clubs but if it’s all of them then there’s absolutely nothing they can do in reality.
 

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