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Now we have the Whitehorse Council's effort to reduce or even remove sponsorship signage from sporting Reserves.
Please have a look and respond if you can.
Sporting Clubs - Signage in Sporting Reserves
Honestly councils seem to have no idea about the importance of sponsorships to the survival of clubs.

All this while they have opened up 9 sports grounds so people can exercise their dogs off lead and $hit all over an oval. The poor kids who play on them early on a Saturday are the ones who will discover how lazy and irresponsible some dog owners are.

EDIT: You do not have to live in Whitehorse to complete the survey.
 
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CliffMcTainshaw said:
Now we have the Whitehorse Council's effort to reduce or even remove sponsorship signage from sporting Reserves.
Please have a look and respond if you can.
Sporting Clubs - Signage in Sporting Reserves
Honestly councils seem to have no idea about the importance of sponsorships to the survival of clubs.

All this while they have opened up 9 sports grounds so people can exercise their dogs off lead and $hit all over an oval. The poor kids who play on them early on a Saturday are the ones who will discover how lazy and irresponsible some dog owners are.
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Just did a survey. Ludicrous. Went pretty hard.

Signages absolutely cannot be removed- no good can come from this.
 
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Bunk Moreland said:
Ffs, what planet are these councils on? Wtf possible harm comes from sponsorship signs on fences? What else needs to go on the fences?

These people are just so out of touch with reality.
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The extremely small minority of precious people, who have no sporting affiliation, who don’t like the look of it, would be my guess. Pathetic.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Ffs, what planet are these councils on? Wtf possible harm comes from sponsorship signs on fences? What else needs to go on the fences?

These people are just so out of touch with reality.
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We obviously do not understand the serious deleterious effect that these people suffer on seeing the pernicious sponsorship signage that nocent sporting clubs are promoting. It seems make them spiteful, vindictive and controlling. These sort of people must work for local councils, otherwise how in the hell would any council be stupid enough to want to implement a program like this?
 
CliffMcTainshaw said:
We obviously do not understand the serious deleterious effect that these people suffer on seeing the pernicious sponsorship signage that nocent sporting clubs are promoting. It seems make them spiteful, vindictive and controlling. These sort of people must work for local councils, otherwise how in the hell would any council be stupid enough to want to implement a program like this?
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Perhaps a few of you are going overboard with this one.My understanding is Whitehorse Council is not looking at banning sponsors on grounds fences but getting it better done.For example sponsors out dated signs and laying on the ground etc.If you want to look how a footy club uses fence signage and supports their sponsors head to Walker Park the MCG of the East home of the Mitcham Football Club and see how we do it.
 
Voice of the G said:
Perhaps a few of you are going overboard with this one.My understanding is Whitehorse Council is not looking at banning sponsors on grounds fences but getting it better done.For example sponsors out dated signs and laying on the ground etc.If you want to look how a footy club uses fence signage and supports their sponsors head to Walker Park the MCG of the East home of the Mitcham Football Club and see how we do it.
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Not true from my clubs point of view.
From the survey.
This survey (10-15 minutes) is to help Council understand the material impact of promotional signage in sporting reserves while also exploring club's reflections on the impact of signage on the community in these important, shared community spaces.

Some members of the public may feel that signage in sporting reserves is unsightly or inappropriate. Do you have any reflections about that perspective and/or any strategies regarding signage addressing it?

Where in sporting reserves should signs be permitted?
Nowhere, signs should not be permitted

Why then are these part of the survey?

No mention at all of the things you have outlined.
 
CliffMcTainshaw said:
Not true from my clubs point of view.
From the survey.
This survey (10-15 minutes) is to help Council understand the material impact of promotional signage in sporting reserves while also exploring club's reflections on the impact of signage on the community in these important, shared community spaces.

Some members of the public may feel that signage in sporting reserves is unsightly or inappropriate. Do you have any reflections about that perspective and/or any strategies regarding signage addressing it?

Where in sporting reserves should signs be permitted?
Nowhere, signs should not be permitted

Why then are these part of the survey?

No mention at all of the things you have outlined.
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So you are happy with your club,s signage at your ground?I can assure you Whitehorse Council have no plans to ban advertising on ground fences at our sports grounds.They are looking at doing it better but important for all football followers to complete the survey even if not a follower of EFNL footy.
 
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Voice of the G said:
So you are happy with your club,s signage at your ground?I can assure you Whitehorse Council have no plans to ban advertising on ground fences at our sports grounds.They are looking at doing it better but important for all football followers to complete the survey.
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So they want all to follow the Mitcham way? 😜
 

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It's another overreach by Councils. Now, do you get bang for your buck from your signage re sponsorship dollars? In my view no one ever has gone yes I saw that sign at the football and I am going to buy/use their services. Take the signs away clubs have to implement another option to show a sponsor that they are getting something in return. Personally, you are sponsoring a local football club because you support them and should accept that it's a donation. I used to laugh when dealing with say, restaurant sponsors and they would say, we will give you $5k but we want that back as a minimum in business, my reply was always, "so this is a loan". In saying all that if the council wishes to take a revenue stream away they need to reduce fees to offset that loss of income. The clubs should be contacting the Fed/State Sports Ministers, especially the State as the recent election saw them secure seats that normally are unheard of and no doubt they wish to keep them.

Amazingly if you look at say the Casey Council which is still building/growing, they are bending over backwards to help all sporting clubs. Yet established areas are trying their best to kill sporting clubs off.
 
eflreceiver said:
It's another overreach by Councils. Now, do you get bang for your buck from your signage re sponsorship dollars? In my view no one ever has gone yes I saw that sign at the football and I am going to buy/use their services. Take the signs away clubs have to implement another option to show a sponsor that they are getting something in return. Personally, you are sponsoring a local football club because you support them and should accept that it's a donation. I used to laugh when dealing with say, restaurant sponsors and they would say, we will give you $5k but we want that back as a minimum in business, my reply was always, "so this is a loan". In saying all that if the council wishes to take a revenue stream away they need to reduce fees to offset that loss of income. The clubs should be contacting the Fed/State Sports Ministers, especially the State as the recent election saw them secure seats that normally are unheard of and no doubt they wish to keep them.

Amazingly if you look at say the Casey Council which is still building/growing, they are bending over backwards to help all sporting clubs. Yet established areas are trying their best to kill sporting clubs off.
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Whilst it kinda is a donation, I’ve always felt it was best to go after sponsors that are directly linked to a footy club, so both parties always win - eg chemist (for tape etc), a restaurant (thursday selection dinners), a bank (footy club can do their banking through them), Hardware store (tradie players) and then go after the businesses that we always need for everyday - accountants, brokers, real estate. But yeah if you did sponsor a club, you’re doing it for the love of the game / club, more so than exposure.
 
eflreceiver said:
It's another overreach by Councils. Now, do you get bang for your buck from your signage re sponsorship dollars? In my view no one ever has gone yes I saw that sign at the football and I am going to buy/use their services. Take the signs away clubs have to implement another option to show a sponsor that they are getting something in return. Personally, you are sponsoring a local football club because you support them and should accept that it's a donation. I used to laugh when dealing with say, restaurant sponsors and they would say, we will give you $5k but we want that back as a minimum in business, my reply was always, "so this is a loan". In saying all that if the council wishes to take a revenue stream away they need to reduce fees to offset that loss of income. The clubs should be contacting the Fed/State Sports Ministers, especially the State as the recent election saw them secure seats that normally are unheard of and no doubt they wish to keep them.

Amazingly if you look at say the Casey Council which is still building/growing, they are bending over backwards to help all sporting clubs. Yet established areas are trying their best to kill sporting clubs off.
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The problem with councils is it's a haven for wannabe and frustrated politicians - whether as councilors or as council execs who are basic "policy professionals", so it's their job to interfere in the way everybody is doing anything.

For many councilors it's a springboard into politics so they're there for their own reasons. They want to do things that will get them attention and a profile. I have no doubt that is what is behind the Monash Council and their gambling venue rubbish.

As for the executives, if they want to fix things up that's fine, but I'd be staggered if they'd had anybody other than the odd busybody actually complain about ground signage. They go looking for things to do and involve themselves in to justify their jobs.

They basically need to be gutted - some very strict laws passes about what they actually control, such as keeping the joint clean and collecting your bins - and they can **** off on everything else. And cut our rates accordingly.

It's not quite as bad yet as some clubs have faced when their councils have been taken over by Greens. I'm not sure where it ended up but a few years back Fitzroy FC were told by council they had no idea why they had been "allowed" to use council property at peppercorn rent. They were advised the next year they'd be paying commercial rent. They've attempted to kick other clubs off their grounds entirely because they want open green space and nothing else.
 
Voice of the G said:
Perhaps a few of you are going overboard with this one.My understanding is Whitehorse Council is not looking at banning sponsors on grounds fences but getting it better done.For example sponsors out dated signs and laying on the ground etc.If you want to look how a footy club uses fence signage and supports their sponsors head to Walker Park the MCG of the East home of the Mitcham Football Club and see how we do it.
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GMac, I listened to the Mayor voice his concerns during the week. He is unhappy with this push. It seems that what some council members want is for any advertising that is visible from the street to be removed. If they have the chance, then advertising on the back of a fence that is visible to casual users of the area means they would also be removed. I drove past Mitcham and your ground would be effected. You have sponsorship advertising on the entrance gate on Whitehorse Rd. You have sponsorship signs attached to the front fence on Whitehorse Rd. From Dunlavin Rd you have sponsorship advertising visible on the grandstand and on the scoreboard. I will have a much closer look when I visit the ground in a fortnight. Signage will only be allowed over the season. Once the season is finished they will have to be removed. Clubs situated on main roads will be at a disadvantage. Vermont has advertising in full view from Canterbury Rd and Terrara Rd. Meanwhile just down the road from your club at the Whitehorse and Springvale Rds intersection, gigantic advertising signs are allowed at one of the State's busiest intersections. My cricket club has asked members and supporters to complete the survey, so has my footy club. Council members are counting on people being unaware of the survey and can then say there is little opposition to the plan. I'd be saying to every member and supporter of a sporting club, complete the survey and voice your opposition.
 
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CliffMcTainshaw said:
GMac, I listened to the Mayor voice his concerns during the week. He is unhappy with this push. It seems that what some council members want is for any advertising that is visible from the street to be removed. If they have the chance, then advertising on the back of a fence that is visible to casual users of the area means they would also be removed. I drove past Mitcham and your ground would be effected. You have sponsorship advertising on the entrance gate on Whitehorse Rd. You have sponsorship signs attached to the front fence on Whitehorse Rd. From Dunlavin Rd you have sponsorship advertising visible on the grandstand and on the scoreboard. I will have a much closer look when I visit the ground in a fortnight. Signage will only be allowed over the season. Once the season is finished they will have to be removed. Clubs situated on main roads will be at a disadvantage. Vermont has advertising in full view from Canterbury Rd and Terrara Rd. Meanwhile just down the road from your club at the Whitehorse and Springvale Rds intersection, gigantic advertising signs are allowed at one of the State's busiest intersections. My cricket club has asked members and supporters to complete the survey, so has my footy club. Council members are counting on people being unaware of the survey and can then say there is little opposition to the plan. I'd be saying to every member and supporter of a sporting club, complete the survey and voice your opposition.
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I agree no sponsor signs on the outside fence of grounds and Box Hill and Mitcham had to pull down signs outside their outer fences about 10 years ago which I agree with.As you said important we fill in the survey but you only have today to complete.As for the Whitehorse/ Springvale intersection we both know Michael Challinger and he tried to stop this one and failed.The more sport lovers that have nothing against advertising "within" sports grounds please complete the survey ASAP.PS Just completed survey and I hope all lovers of sport complete ASAP
 
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G I’m curious as to what is involved with the Whitehorse council seeing clubs doing their advertising done better per your original post.

Eg. Flooding FB with advertisements is a quick way to lose FB followers at most clubs.
 
When you look at most ground advertising the sitting Federal and State MPs have signage. The clubs should be on the phone with them as they effectively lose exposure. I've had discussions in the past about taking on the councilors and forcing them out with an army of supporters and I have always got "we won't get anything if we lose". My response is you are losing now there is no difference. If all the clubs in each council unite, the councilors have to sit up and take notice. Apathy is the Council's friend and yes fill out the survey but remember they control the survey.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Bit of comedy on the emails apparently, the Balwyn footy manager accidentally going the “reply all” to an invite to a league footy admin meeting… telling the league the salary cap needs to be reset to pre COVID levels 🤣
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Really a F*** up by the league. Haven’t they heard of bcc?
 
Councils who ban signage are a disgrace, IMO the site of a community football club supported by business in the community should be something a council should be proud of.

Classic pen pushing idiots wasting time dealing with irrelevant issues.

Every single member of every club in those areas should pen a letter and vote out an councillor who backs this garbage.
 

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