Discussion Official 2021 Fantasy Planning Thread

[WaynesWorld19]

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[DynamiteDons]

how many rooks we all rolling with on field. (270k or less) ?

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Was sholl on a wing? Cheers for this btw, great info

I would say yes but half back mainly. Running past alot for handball receives. I think Hately, Seedsman and Lynch were on the wings as well

 

[FlowersByIrene]

how many rooks we all rolling with on field. (270k or less) ?

Currently 5.

 

[Corby_4]

Just a matter of picking the right one each round.

With the rolling lockout you certainly dont need as much of a full blooded poweful captain option.

I remember when Moreias Magic didnt pick Titch to start the year because he got a very VC score on the Thursday or Friday and had 6 rounda in a row of Thursday games

Yeah I definitely see your point as not being crucial.
They're nice to have up the sleeve I suppose.

 

[Dan12]

So when he scores a 60 do you out the captain on him the following week again?

Yes

 

[jwint43]

Is the draft AEST or local time? I remember in years past having to set it 3 hours ahead in previous years

 

[Shadow89]

Just a point of reference for all those opting to go with a cheaper R2 (Gawn or Grundy as R1), it's not just Gawn who has a dream run for the first 6 weeks. Here's both of their respective likely matchups:

Gawn -

Round 1: Meek
Round 2: Ryder (underdone)
Round 3: Flynn
Round 4: Stanley
Round 5: Ceglar/McEvoy
Round 6: Nankervis

Grundy -

Round 1: English/Stef Martin
Round 2: Pittonet/T. De Koning
Round 3: O. McInerney
Round 4: Flynn
Round 5: Natanui (underdone)
Round 6: Draper

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To put the matchups in perspective, neither Grundy nor Gawn face any one of the top 5 ruckman behind them, in O'Brien, Goldy, Witts, Lycett or Marshall (injured), in that first 6 week block. Nic Nat is the only real tough matchup, and even he's had an interrupted pre-season so likely won't play large minutes/won't be at peak fitness.

I flirted with Witts at R2, but that first 6 rounds could literally decide the entire year, if you put the C on Gawn and he goes 130-150, and Grundy goes 110-120+.

As much as I hate spending so much, the fixture has now dictated my thinking given that the really cheap option of Preuss is no longer available.

Just some food for thought anyway

 

[kozi]

Are we buying into the Dow hype? Bit awkwardly priced but could certainly make the case for him if we’re expecting a breakout/semi-breakout season.

 

[PAFC27]

Unpopular opinion. Gawn is overpriced and good coaches will use the 116k saved selecting ROB to similar or better use.

Not saying Gawn isn’t a good starting option. Just that there’s a lot of people crying doomsday if you don’t start him.

Gawns fixture hasn’t changed since last week when there was a fit Preuss in most teams R2 position.

As I posted the other day, 116k is the difference between starting Jordon Butts and Hayden Young

26

Hayden Young

Age

23

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

160.0

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

160.0

3star

. That’s potentially 40+ points you’ve found right there.

Another thought - given Gawns bye round, and his less than impressive durability, if he misses a couple games in the first half of the season, that’s 2 trades you’ll need to use to trade out, and then back in post bye.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Are we buying into the Dow hype? Bit awkwardly priced but could certainly make the case for him if we’re expecting a breakout/semi-breakout season.

Will watch him closely this week. At his price, he's fantastic value for a mid price, almost rookie price.

If he can get time in the midfield, I'd rather start with him than Hately and he is 170k cheaper too.

 

[Balsam]

Nic Nat is the only real tough matchup, and even he's had an interrupted pre-season so likely won't play large minutes/won't be at peak fitness.

You think Nic Nat will still be "underdone" by round 5? I don't.

 

[Shadow89]

You think Nic Nat will still be "underdone" by round 5? I don't.

I meant he's underdone now, as he's had an interrupted pre-season. As WC have shown, they're very conservative with him, and haven't given him more than 70% game time even when he has been fully fit. I'd expect given there have been a few hiccups, that he plays more of that 55-60% game time, until they're confident there's no other lingering issues.

This means that for a ruck like Grundy who plays 90+ game time, that 30-40% of his game time will be against an inexperienced ruck like Vardy or Williams

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Unpopular opinion. Gawn is overpriced and good coaches will use the 116k saved selecting ROB to similar or better use.

Not saying Gawn isn’t a good starting option. Just that there’s a lot of people crying doomsday if you don’t start him.

Gawns fixture hasn’t changed since last week when there was a fit Preuss in most teams R2 position.

As I posted the other day, 116k is the difference between starting Jordon Butts and Hayden Young. That’s potentially 40+ points you’ve found right there.

Another thought - given Gawns bye round, and his less than impressive durability, if he misses a couple games in the first half of the season, that’s 2 trades you’ll need to use to trade out, and then back in post bye.

Why would you hvae to trade him back in unless he was a Top 2 ruck, so what are you suggesting here, he's not worth the money and you should go Rob, or he's a top 2 guy you'll NEED to get after the byes? If you're going Rob, you're keeping him for the season, otherwise you might as well go for a guy who will make you money if you're planning to eventually trade to Gawn. The reason people had Preuss two weeks ago was that they saw the value and security in the role and were happy to pick Gawn up after the Byes. Choosing Rob is not the same as that at all.

 

[Cotchy9]

ROB’s career is still in its infancy really, 40 odd games. Could there be some growth still left? Pushing up to 115-120 like Max and Grundy

 

[FlowersByIrene]

ROB’s career is still in its infancy really, 40 odd games. Could there be some growth still left? Pushing up to 115-120 like Max and Grundy

I doubt it. Max and Grundy are generational talents. Prior to them, ruckmen, while great (i.e Cox, Goldy) were never the ultimate fantasy players. Much more likely R'Ob will meet the heights of a Sandilands or Goldy but no sugestion he can go 115 plus like Max and Grundy (in my opinion anyway).

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Why would you hvae to trade him back in unless he was a Top 2 ruck, so what are you suggesting here, he's not worth the money and you should go Rob, or he's a top 2 guy you'll NEED to get after the byes? If you're going Rob, you're keeping him for the season, otherwise you might as well go for a guy who will make you money if you're planning to eventually trade to Gawn. The reason people had Preuss two weeks ago was that they saw the value and security in the role and were happy to pick Gawn up after the Byes. Choosing Rob is not the same as that at all.

This is where my heads at.

On paper ROB is not much value. $830k for a guy averaging ~ 100-105. Maybe he pushes to 110, but he's yet to do it. He could just as easily go backwards.
If he were a mid we wouldn't be picking him.

Lets go hypothetical:

Grundy is priced at $867k. He is a clear lock and value for his elite status. I don't think anyone sane can dispute that.

Now IF I gave you the option to have 2x Grundys in your squad at $867k would you take it? You betcha.

If it cost say... $77k, would you take it? I would... whats $77k down the toilet for having 2x Grundys locked away all year.

Welcome to the Gawndy R1/R2 combo.

 

[JDWCE]

This is where my heads at.

On paper ROB is not much value. $830k for a guy averaging ~ 100-105. Maybe he pushes to 110, but he's yet to do it. He could just as easily go backwards.
If he were a mid we wouldn't be picking him.

Lets go hypothetical:

Grundy is priced at $867k. He is a clear lock and value for his elite status. I don't think anyone sane can dispute that.

Now IF I gave you the option to have 2x Grundys in your squad at $867k would you take it? You betcha.

If it cost say... $77k, would you take it? I would... whats $77k down the toilet for having 2x Grundys locked away all year.

Welcome to the Gawndy R1/R2 combo.

ROB’s second half to last year he went at 111. Went 123 in his last 5 too. Definitely scope to hit those heights which is where the ‘unperpriced’ argument comes from. Has good endurance too and with longer quarters it adds to that argument. But I can see both points. I’m stuck with rucks this year. No idea what I’ll do

 

[Cotchy9]

ROB’s second half to last year he went at 111. Went 123 in his last 5 too. Definitely scope to hit those heights which is where the ‘unperpriced’ argument comes from. Has good endurance too and with longer quarters it adds to that argument. But I can see both points. I’m stuck with rucks this year. No idea what I’ll do

I will be weighing up ROB v Gawn all the
way to lockout. Will ultimately come down to whether I need the coin I reckon

That start for Max is sexy though

 

[wahooo]

I will be weighing up ROB v Gawn all the
way to lockout. Will ultimately come down to whether I need the coin I reckon

That start for Max is sexy though

For me it comes down to Walsh and Gawn v Gaff and ROB.

The question really turns on how much Walsh can lift his average.

 

[Cotchy9]

For me it comes down to Walsh and Gawn v Gaff and ROB.

The question really turns on how much Walsh can lift his average.

That’s such a tough one

I personally have Gaff 110-120, just think the new reduced rotations and man on the Mark suit his style. I’ll call him 115

Walsh I’m bullish on too, I think 105-110, will settle at 107

Gawn 120 and ROB 110

Gaff 115 and ROB 110=225

Gawn 120 and Walsh =227

I’d go 2 purely for the Gawn captaincy

 

[Bastyy]

These PS games can't come any quicker, have a few midfielders that are going to break out in the future and I wanna catch on when they do (McLuggage, Rowbottom, Ross, LDU) so I'm hoping they perform well then

 

[PAFC27]

Why would you hvae to trade him back in unless he was a Top 2 ruck, so what are you suggesting here, he's not worth the money and you should go Rob, or he's a top 2 guy you'll NEED to get after the byes? If you're going Rob, you're keeping him for the season, otherwise you might as well go for a guy who will make you money if you're planning to eventually trade to Gawn. The reason people had Preuss two weeks ago was that they saw the value and security in the role and were happy to pick Gawn up after the Byes. Choosing Rob is not the same as that at all.

I see exactly what you’re saying mate! Sorry I’ll expand because I think the points been missed. I’m just addressing that not starting Gawn is not a season killer like some coaches are suggesting. ROB was just the example because hes the next best. That last thought I accidentally added post bye, I meant in general

 

[Keystone agony]

Those picking ROB whats the interest and thoughts there?

Is priced at his highest avg

Grundy only a smidge more expensive and has a proven record of 118+

 

[Cotchy9]

Those picking ROB whats the interest and thoughts there?

Is priced at his highest avg

Grundy only a smidge more expensive and has a proven record of 118+

I think they’re picking ROB to partner Grundy

 

[2006_Eagles]

Williams named at half back