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Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

If you go by the press then Ponting will go, but if you on form then Hussey is in more trouble.

Boxing Day Test team

Marsh
Warner
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Christian
Haddin (although I'd prefer to see Wade here)
Siddle
Lyon
Pattison
Harris

12th man: Starc
 
Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Agreed. Ponting ain't going anywhere. It's all up to him and he wants to go on. It's not really right, but it's how it is. I feel that Hussey is going to be the scapegoat, a bit harsh considering he was pretty much our only batsman in the Ashes and was our best over in Sri Lanka, but two consecutive horror series makes me think that he'll be the one who the axe comes down on. Sad because he is an absolute legend.

My guess is Hughes, Hussey, Starc out and Watson, Marsh, Hazlewood in. If it was my decision Haddin would be gone, Ponting would be on the edge and would have to weigh up Cowan v Khawaja.
 
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Hellgood said:
Agreed. Ponting ain't going anywhere. It's all up to him and he wants to go on. It's not really right, but it's how it is. I feel that Hussey is going to be the scapegoat, a bit harsh considering he was pretty much our only batsman in the Ashes and was our best over in Sri Lanka, but two consecutive horror series makes me think that he'll be the one who the axe comes down on. Sad because he is an absolute legend.

My guess is Hughes, Hussey, Starc out and Watson, Marsh, Hazlewood in. If it was my decision Haddin would be gone, Ponting would be on the edge and would have to weigh up Cowan v Khawaja.
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Disagree on one point.

Hussey's been a very good cricketer. Ponting is a champion, possibly a legend.
 

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Slax said:
If you go by the press then Ponting will go, but if you on form then Hussey is in more trouble.
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Form as in the gabba and Johannesburg tests?

That's the only form ponting has in the last 2 years.

In the last 15 tests hussey is averaging 45(4 tons)

ponting last 15 tests 27 average with no tons, because of his age i don't think hussey is safe either but if the team was actually picked on form ponting would have gone a year ago.

Of course the old blokes are all going to stay in the team so they can pass on their "experience" never mind half the young players will need to be axed so that we can keep the 37 year olds, bit hard to teach the young guys when you are taking their spots in the team.:thumbsu:
 
Re: Brad Haddin must go first. Then 2 more.

Posted the same thing on another topic however I think it presents some relevance here as well.

I know we're all sick off Ponting and Hussey's far sub-par scores but dropping them before the Indian series and retaining those of Hughes and Khawaja in the process is imprudent.

If all of Ponting, Hussey / Khawaja, Hughes make 200 runs in the series @ 25, you can at least take comfort from that both Ponting and Hussey won't drop their catches fielding in tough positions and in turn force the second-rate fielders into easier fielding positions. The last thing we need is for any of the Indian top 7 to be dropped on 0, to go on and make a double hundred. Then results in our bowlers having to bowl 140 overs instead of 80 overs, putting added pressure on the bowlers not to mention the added likelihood of them sustaining injuries.
 
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frankrizzo said:
Form as in the gabba and Johannesburg tests?

That's the only form ponting has in the last 2 years.

In the last 15 tests hussey is averaging 45(4 tons)

ponting last 15 tests 27 average with no tons, because of his age i don't think hussey is safe either but if the team was actually picked on form ponting would have gone a year ago.

Of course the old blokes are all going to stay in the team so they can pass on their "experience" never mind half the young players will need to be axed so that we can keep the 37 year olds, bit hard to teach the young guys when you are taking their spots in the team.:thumbsu:
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Which young guys are there piling on the runs that Ponting and Hussey are keeping out?
 
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Just for reference, here's what our next two years of Test cricket looks like according to the FTP:

December/Jan - 4 against India

March/April 2012 - 3 @ West Indies

Nov/Dec 2012 - 3 against SA

Dec/Jan 12/13 - 3 against Sri Lanka

Feb/March 2013 - 4 @ India

Jun/Jul/Aug 2013 - 5 @ England

Nov/Dec/Jan 2013/14 - 5 against England

Feb/Mar 2014 - 3 @ SA

Other than winter 2012, that's a packed schedule. There's pretty much no easy time to bring in new players. No reason to wait.
 
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legend166 said:
Just for reference, here's what our next two years of Test cricket looks like according to the FTP:

December/Jan - 4 against India

March/April 2012 - 3 @ West Indies

Nov/Dec 2012 - 3 against SA

Dec/Jan 12/13 - 3 against Sri Lanka

Feb/March 2013 - 4 @ India

Jun/Jul/Aug 2013 - 5 @ England

Nov/Dec/Jan 2013/14 - 5 against England

Feb/Mar 2014 - 3 @ SA

Other than winter 2012, that's a packed schedule. There's pretty much no easy time to bring in new players. No reason to wait.
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Despite having a winning record against every other test nation and dominating cricket with two 16 win streaks in a 10 year period, we aren't even going to qualify for the world test championship.

That is ****ing embarrassing.
 
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Simple Jack said:
Despite having a winning record against every other test nation and dominating cricket with two 16 win streaks in a 10 year period, we aren't even going to qualify for the world test championship.

That is ****ing embarrassing.
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Test championship will be in 2017, not 2014.
 
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The Reaper said:
Test championship will be in 2017, not 2014.
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Really?

It was supposed to be 2013 when it was announced.

Oh well, at least now we have one less thing to not win while we persist with people who should have been dropped a year ago.
 

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Simple Jack said:
Really?

It was supposed to be 2013 when it was announced.

Oh well, at least now we have one less thing to not win while we persist with people who should have been dropped a year ago.
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TV rights had it moved back four years.
 
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Alexwce said:
I know we're all sick off Ponting and Hussey's far sub-par scores but dropping them before the Indian series and retaining those of Hughes and Khawaja in the process is imprudent.

If all of Ponting, Hussey / Khawaja, Hughes make 200 runs in the series @ 25, you can at least take comfort from that both Ponting and Hussey won't drop their catches fielding in tough positions....
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...and take no comfort from knowing Ponting and Hussey have 10 or 12 weeks of their careers left ahead of them, and Hughes and Khawaja 10 or 12 years.

In 12 years time Khawaja and Hughes might be passing on what they learned from Tendulkar, Dravid et al in the 2011/2 series to their young team-mates in the Australian dressing-room, while Ricky is off having a hip replacement (Huss will still be playing grade cricket).

Don't like the thought of turfing a chance from any of the Indian batsmen, though......
 
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The Reaper said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sheff...most_runs_career.html?id=6788;type=tournament

Not to mention Cowan's century in the A game.

*Nevill is a NSW wicketkeeper who was born in Melbourne. Satisfy both states:rolleyes:
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Unfortunately the names on that list aren't the most inspiring... Most have been journeymen plodders who have been around for a good while and just happen to be at the top of the runscoring list because, well, someone has to be up there... they are hardly blokes who are banging down the door and/or have been thought of as real test quality cricketers...

As i've said in other threads, there just isn't much in the cupboard.

The only one i'd really back in is Ed Cowan...

Wade Townsend wouldn't be the worst but he is very limited...

Peter Forrest has been up and down like a yo yo... is a possible one for next season if he can stay up.

Dan Christian seems in favour and could possibly do a job... but i wouldn't be confident.

It would be great to see Joe Burns finish the season really strongly.. If he did he could be a bolter for New Zealand. Definately one with loads of talent.

Unfortunately Forrest, Klinger, Townsend, Rogers, Christian, Nevill, Cooper, Voges, Quiney, Davis doesn't have the same ring to it as Love, Maher, Hodge, Blewett, Elliott, Lehmann, Bevan, Cox, Clarke, Hussey, Katich, North, Haddin does....

http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/AUS_LOCAL/PC/STATS/PC_2001-02_BAT_MOST_RUNS.html

Even the two guys i left out Dighton and Johnson weren't the worst, and Campbell and Clingeleffer were very handy keeper batsmen...
 
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Seems Mickey Arthur doesn't foresee too many changes in a hurry...

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/ponting-hussey-in-for-boxing-day-test-20111213-1ost6.html

On Ponting and Hussey;

"We haven't even come to any thought of how we manage any exit for any of those players," he said.
"In my opinion they still have big roles to play because we do need some experience in our middle order, there's no doubt about it.
"The key for us is to get them up firing for Australia on Boxing Day because they are the key."
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Looks like Haddin is off the hook too:

But in the meantime it seems Australia are content to "take the good with the bad" with Haddin.
"I think in between that (Cape Town and Hobart) there was a matchwinning innings in Johannesburg - you do take the good with the bad," Arthur said.
"I still think he is a hell of a player with a huge amount to offer."
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Always easier to chop a young guy (possibly Khawaja) then one of the captain's mates isn't it?

Oh Mickey, the bastards have got to you already.
 
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Nuke Fremantle said:
Seems Mickey Arthur doesn't foresee too many changes in a hurry...

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/ponting-hussey-in-for-boxing-day-test-20111213-1ost6.html
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well, at least he's talking straight but god i hate losing to india. gonna be a long summer. pity they haven't discussed 'exit plans'. might lead to ignominious mid series departures, which neither really deserve. they missed the boat with ponting in tassie
 
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Black Thunder said:
Unfortunately the names on that list aren't the most inspiring... Most have been journeymen plodders who have been around for a good while and just happen to be at the top of the runscoring list because, well, someone has to be up there... they are hardly blokes who are banging down the door and/or have been thought of as real test quality cricketers...
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just to follow up on this point when you compare the guys scoring runs in shield cricket over recent seasons, it's generally just a new bunch of names every season. From 2007/08 to 2010/11 (four seasons), we have seen 30 different batsmen occupy the forty available top ten spots on the shield runscoring list.. Only two batsmen have been up there in three of those four seasons - George Bailey and Phil Hughes. Perhaps maybe Bailey has been a little undersold given he is not far from the top ten again this season (with an average of +50) and has done it with his base on australia's toughest batting track.

Compare to the period of 1998/99 to 2001/02, where only 20 different batsmen occupied the 40 available spots, and 13 of those 20 players getting on the top 10 list twice. Jamie Cox (who never even got a test gig) was up there in all four seasons, with Greg Blewett, Darren Lehmann, Matt Elliott, Martin Love and Jimmy Maher having 3 top 10 finishes each...

This to me is where the test team builds it's strength because if you've got guys performing year in year out consistently in the first class arena, then either they'll get a shot at test cricket, or they'll be putting pressure on the imcumbent test cricketers to perform.

Essentially at the moment the batsmen just aren't banging the door down demanding selection like we once had (and even then it still wasn't always enough to get a go, i.e. Cox and Maher)... Those who are having good seasons now are just not following it up, not giving the selectors enough reasons to give them a go at test cricket and are often fading into obscurity, generally because they really weren't that crash hot anyway and just happened to have a pretty decent season.

Very tough times for our batting indeed. If someone's got the answer, they could become a very wealthy man...
 
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Donkeyman said:
...and take no comfort from knowing Ponting and Hussey have 10 or 12 weeks of their careers left ahead of them, and Hughes and Khawaja 10 or 12 years.

In 12 years time Khawaja and Hughes might be passing on what they learned from Tendulkar, Dravid et al in the 2011/2 series to their young team-mates in the Australian dressing-room, while Ricky is off having a hip replacement (Huss will still be playing grade cricket).

Don't like the thought of turfing a chance from any of the Indian batsmen, though......
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All four of them are at the same level of form as of right now. This is cricket not AFL and thus the criteria for selection is the best XI, not the future best XI.
 

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