Official Ruling On End Of Time For AFL Games

fearlessone77 · Apr 30, 2006

From: http://www.aflua.com.au/Documents/AFL-Laws-Current.pdf

10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END

10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.

10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires hears the siren.

10.4.3 Signal
A field Umpire shall signal that he or she has heard the siren by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above his or her head. If immediately before hearing the siren, a field Umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a Free Kick or a Mark, the field Umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then award the Free Kick or Mark to the Player.

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Unfortunaltely does not look like there is anything Freo can do about this debacle.

ahh_zombies · Apr 30, 2006

The AFL have the power to overturn the decision, the Laws of the Game give alot of power to the Controlling body. The game result should be overturned.

Rob · Apr 30, 2006

Natural justice is a common law right.

Milenko · Apr 30, 2006

fearlessone77 said:
From: http://www.aflua.com.au/Documents/AFL-Laws-Current.pdf
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.

Why did they only blow the siren ONCE?

Why didn't they keep blowing the siren CONTINUOUSLY?

Frodo · Apr 30, 2006

In that case it was a good call. Right result.

fearlessone77 · Apr 30, 2006

Milenko said:
Why did they only blow the siren ONCE?

Why didn't they keep blowing the siren CONTINUOUSLY?

Good pick up actually, the use of the word until certainly lends itself to a long contiued sounding.

Fire · Apr 30, 2006

fearlessone77 said:
Unfortunaltely does not look like there is anything Freo can do about this debacle.

How did you reach this conclusion?

"10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end."

This did not happen. Freo have every right to contest it, and although i hold serious doubts that they will ever see the points, they have every right to them.

fearlessone77 · Apr 30, 2006

Fire said:
How did you reach this conclusion?

"10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end."

This did not happen. Freo have every right to contest it, and although i hold serious doubts that they will ever see the points, they have every right to them.

See my other post.

Donkey · Apr 30, 2006

Shouldn't the game still be going then? How could the umpires have heard the siren at all if they missed it the only time it was blown?

The draw will stand and we (Freo) can blame ourselves, but that doesn't make the situation any less ridiculous from an AFL point of view.

Spook · Apr 30, 2006

Frodo said:
In that case it was a good call. Right result.

NO NO NO....the Timekeeper stuffed up. They need to blow the siren until the umpires hears it........they didn't do that

Adz · Apr 30, 2006

Like I said, the only reason why is stopped was because the Chris Connolly ran onto the field.

Megan_au · Apr 30, 2006

Not sooooo quick people the afl HAVE AGREED to review the decision after freo lodged a formal protest .....

I think the AFL will do the right thing here and award the 4 points to freo :thumbsu:

Frodo · Apr 30, 2006

Spook said:
NO NO NO....the Timekeeper stuffed up. They need to blow the siren until the umpires hears it........they didn't do that

Blame the siren or the timekeepers but the fact is that the umpires didn't hear it and acted correctly.
It would be a huge precedent to change the score due to a timekeepers mistake. There are many times that timekeepers get it wrong, whose to say that there was arguably 30 seconds left and the timekeepers blew the siren early? As I say, it would be a nasty precedent.

pauljam · Apr 30, 2006

Donkey said:
Shouldn't the game still be going then? How could the umpires have heard the siren at all if they missed it the only time it was blown?

The draw will stand and we (Freo) can blame ourselves, but that doesn't make the situation any less ridiculous from an AFL point of view.

Donkey, I know you are frustrated mate, you have every right to be but dont have a go at all Eagles fans.

It is pretty obvious to me you guys were robbed and deserve the points. From the posts I have read a fair few Eagles fans agree. I would be mighty

ed off if we were shafted in the same way.

Jason Voorhees · Apr 30, 2006

Frodo said:
Blame the siren or the timekeepers but the fact is that the umpires didn't hear it and acted correctly.
It would be a huge precedent to change the score due to a timekeepers mistake. There are many times that timekeepers get it wrong, whose to say that there was arguably 30 seconds left and the timekeepers blew the siren early? As I say, it would be a nasty precedent.

Have to agree with this. The umpires acted correctly according to the rules.

Reveler · Apr 30, 2006

fearlessone77 said:
From: http://www.aflua.com.au/Documents/AFL-Laws-Current.pdf

10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END

10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.

10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires hears the siren.

10.4.3 Signal
A field Umpire shall signal that he or she has heard the siren by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above his or her head. If immediately before hearing the siren, a field Umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a Free Kick or a Mark, the field Umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then award the Free Kick or Mark to the Player.

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Unfortunaltely does not look like there is anything Freo can do about this debacle.

did that ever happen? or did the umpires signal end of game without hearing the siren?

Spook · Apr 30, 2006

Frodo said:
Blame the siren or the timekeepers but the fact is that the umpires didn't hear it and acted correctly.
It would be a huge precedent to change the score due to a timekeepers mistake. There are many times that timekeepers get it wrong, whose to say that there was arguably 30 seconds left and the timekeepers blew the siren early? As I say, it would be a nasty precedent.

Frodo, the rule states that the unpires sound the siren UNTIL the umpires hear it.....that measn they hold their finger on the button.... not blow it once and leave it

I do some time keeping and instruct others at my local amateur club ( I am the VP) that you hold your finger on the button until the umpire puts both hands in the air......

The rule states it clear as day......

"10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end."

kirky · Apr 30, 2006

fearlessone77 said:
From: http://www.aflua.com.au/Documents/AFL-Laws-Current.pdf

10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END

10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter UNTIL a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.
10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires hears the siren.

10.4.3 Signal
A field Umpire shall signal that he or she has heard the siren by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above his or her head. If immediately before hearing the siren, a field Umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a Free Kick or a Mark, the field Umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then award the Free Kick or Mark to the Player.

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This is the area of contention and would be the basis for the appeal. If there is a review I reckon the Dockers will be successful.

One thing we do know, those timekeepers are sacked and new siren for York park. Perhaps we should bring back the cow bells!

Father Jack · Apr 30, 2006

kirky said:
fearlessone77 said:

From: http://www.aflua.com.au/Documents/AFL-Laws-Current.pdf

10.4 BRINGING PLAY TO AN END

10.4.1 End of Quarter
The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter UNTIL a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.
10.4.2 Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field Umpires hears the siren.

10.4.3 Signal
A field Umpire shall signal that he or she has heard the siren by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above his or her head. If immediately before hearing the siren, a field Umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a Free Kick or a Mark, the field Umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then award the Free Kick or Mark to the Player.

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This is the area of contention and would be the basis for the appeal. If there is a review I reckon the Dockers will be successful.

One thing we do know, those timekeepers are sacked and new siren for York park. Perhaps we should bring back the cow bells!

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'tis a wussy sounding siren at York park. At least they changed the dreadful 'air-raid' siren at Carrara after the NAB cup game. I've heard the siren go on for ages before in close games when the umpire has added deafness to his obvious blindness, so the timekeeper needs to be shot coz its his fault. Freo are jinxed at York Park. Destined never to win there.

PHX · Apr 30, 2006

Yup having read those rules Freo have a good case.

So who is to blame now... The timekeepers or the umpires?

Pj.Rj.Hj · Apr 30, 2006

So what was the siren, A canteen lady hitting a triangle?

malreid · Apr 30, 2006

So why was it that every Freo player around the ball heard the siren and the umpire didn't.
A hearing test for may be on the cards.

I haven't noticed any St Kilda people saying the result should stand, cause they know Freo were robbed!

Captain Football · Apr 30, 2006

best solution to siren problem is to continue with game after siren until next general halt in pplay (ie ball out, smothered etc).

JuddyisGod · Apr 30, 2006

Cameron Schwab: "We'll do whatever we have to do to get the four points"

he also added that there is no real relationship between the TAB and AFL, wouldn't read anything into it, and the result is far from confirmed.

Reveler · Apr 30, 2006

Re: Cameron Schwab: "We'll do whatever we have to do to get the four points"

top notch bloke. not blaming tasmania.

Go Schwabby!

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