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[thylacine60]

Guilty pleas over assault involving two AFL players Jeff Garlett and Mitch Robinson



Two Carlton footballers suffered head injuries in a street fight with a group of men that was sparked by an argument over a taxi, a court has heard. Jeff Garlett and Mitch Robinson – who have both since joined other AFL clubs – were injured when the dispute in Melbourne's central business district developed into a brawl, shortly after 5am on August 3 last year, Melbourne Magistrates Court heard on Tuesday.

 

[reg_lower91]

Don't worry about the ones that think he's funny......what about the ones that think that Newman is intelligent and really has something to say? Scary..

I'm actually one of those few people who really respect Sam Newman. Not for his comedy (or lack there of) but for the way in which he speaks his mind with little regard for the political correct world we live in. Travelling this year has actually taught me what a precious country we live in - you need to offend solely one person and suddenly someone needs to be sacked, an ad needs to be pulled or a programme boycotted. I respect the fact that Sam holds little regard for his job security in that he speaks what's on his mind irregardless of who may be offended by it. Does he take it too far sometimes? Of course. Is a lot of what he says incorrect and ill-advised? Yes. But I cant help but feel that if we had more journalists and news reporters as honest as Sam, the world would be a lot more transparent.

 

[thylacine60]

I'm actually one of those few people who really respect Sam Newman. Not for his comedy (or lack there of) but for the way in which he speaks his mind with little regard for the political correct world we live in. Travelling this year has actually taught me what a precious country we live in - you need to offend solely one person and suddenly someone needs to be sacked, an ad needs to be pulled or a programme boycotted. I respect the fact that Sam holds little regard for his job security in that he speaks what's on his mind irregardless of who may be offended by it. Does he take it too far sometimes? Of course. Is a lot of what he says incorrect and ill-advised? Yes. But I cant help but feel that if we had more journalists and news reporters as honest as Sam, the world would be a lot more transparent.

Really can't see what transparency has to do with sexist, irresponsible old dinosaurs who hurt and bully. His sarcastic humiliation of disabled and less socially aware people is particularly irksome. The sooner he and his ilk die out the better.

 

[GoBlues!]

. for the way in which he speaks his mind with little regard for the political correct world we live in. I respect the fact that .......... holds little regard for his job security in that he speaks what's on his mind irregardless of who may be offended by it. Does he take it too far sometimes? Of course. Is a lot of what he says incorrect and ill-advised? Yes. But I cant help but feel that if we had more journalists and news reporters as honest as ......... the world would be a lot more transparent.

Is Sam Newman Ron Burgundy?

 

[HARKER]

I'm actually one of those few people who really respect Sam Newman. Not for his comedy (or lack there of) but for the way in which he speaks his mind with little regard for the political correct world we live in. Travelling this year has actually taught me what a precious country we live in - you need to offend solely one person and suddenly someone needs to be sacked, an ad needs to be pulled or a programme boycotted. I respect the fact that Sam holds little regard for his job security in that he speaks what's on his mind irregardless of who may be offended by it. Does he take it too far sometimes? Of course. Is a lot of what he says incorrect and ill-advised? Yes. But I cant help but feel that if we had more journalists and news reporters as honest as Sam, the world would be a lot more transparent.

I don't find media people that speak their mind at every chance, that exciting nor even honest in many cases.

In Newman's case, he may well speak his mind.................I just don't think what his mind has to say, is all too interesting though.

 

[LanceRomance]

Really can't see what transparency has to do with sexist, irresponsible old dinosaurs who hurt and bully. His sarcastic humiliation of disabled and less socially aware people is particularly irksome. The sooner he and his ilk die out the better.

While I agree that street talk should be binned, I agree with Reg about how he speaks his mind.

I feel that he is a man of integrity and great generosity. He just doesn't talk himself up the way others do.

 

[thylacine60]

Lance, I still don't get how this "speaking your mind" with no thought for consequence is something to be admired. I find people who complain about the "PC" world we live in are really complaining about losing the right to insult and vilify - a right they never really had.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I don't see why so many people find the term "politically correct" to be such an impingement on their rights.
I love the fact that we live in a society that generally finds it unacceptable to offend, vilify, or hurt others.

Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences.

 

[HARKER]

The problem people have with some forms of political correctness is the adjustment they have to go through....it's hard work.

All said, it's a small price to pay for one or two generations to go through, in order for fairer values to emerge.

 

[LanceRomance]

I don't see why so many people find the term "politically correct" to be such an impingement on their rights.
I love the fact that we live in a society that generally finds it unacceptable to offend, vilify, or hurt others.

Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences.

Problem with PC is that things are intentionally taken out of context to suit political needs. And what people find offensive is entirely subjective.

The consequence of offending someone should be dealing with the critiscm that you receive rather than getting banned from talking because someone doesnt like what you have to say.

Vilification is a different kettle of fish and needs to be dealt with appropriately.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Problem with PC is that things are intentionally taken out of context to suit political needs. And what people find offensive is entirely subjective.

The consequence of offending someone should be dealing with the critiscm that you receive rather than getting banned from talking because someone doesnt like what you have to say.

Vilification is a different kettle of fish and needs to be dealt with appropriately.

I don't believe that people should be banned from speaking but I do feel that a person's right to feel included and accepted is greater than anyone else's right to 'speak their mind' if it is going to result making someone else feel less than. A little self-censorship goes a long way.

And I think that, generally speaking, it is quite easy to tell when someone is going to be offended or hurt, but the speaker often turns a blind eye to this and 'speaks their mind' with scant regard to other people anyway.

 

[thylacine60]

One of the problems regarding resistance to respectful language is that the complaints always come from the majority, powerful voices. Those that have never experienced bias, bigotry or hate. Try to imagine living as a minority group before you start talking about what people find offensive.

 

[LanceRomance]

I don't believe that people should be banned from speaking but I do feel that a person's right to feel included and accepted is greater than anyone else's right to 'speak their mind' if it is going to result making someone else feel less than. A little self-censorship goes a long way.

And I think that, generally speaking, it is quite easy to tell when someone is going to be offended or hurt, but the speaker often turns a blind eye to this and 'speaks their mind' with scant regard to other people anyway.

I'll bring it back to a good example about Sam on TFS.

Boomer harvey was on and JB kept prefixing everything with "little" in relation to boomer.

Sam stopped JB and told him to stop saying that as there was more to him than being "little"


In contrast though he'll spend all day calling shane crawford all sorts of derivatives of little because that is part of the act.

 

[LanceRomance]

One of the problems regarding resistance to respectful language is that the complaints always come from the majority, powerful voices. Those that have never experienced bias, bigotry or hate. Try to imagine living as a minority group before you start talking about what people find offensive.

I dont talk about what other people find offensive as it is subjective to the individual

 

[thylacine60]

It's hardly the role of the commentator to decide what he/she thinks the person commented upon finds offensive.

 

[LanceRomance]

Here is Stephen Fry on being on offended.

He is another man who speaks his mind and is generally respected.

I like watching his shows and find it entertaining how he deals with being offended and offending other people.

 

[HARKER]

Here is Stephen Fry on being on offended.
He is another man who speaks his mind and is generally respected.
I like watching his shows and find it entertaining how he deals with being offended and offending other people.

People may well pull the 'I'm offended' line all too readily at times but even Fry himself can't just throw it all under the one blanket?

Why tell someone they're ugly when there may be no need to do so?
Why point out someones disability when it may have nothing to do with the character of the individual?
Why keep highlighting the colour of an individual when really the only reason you'd be doing it is to offend?

Sometimes it's not what one says but rather the intent behind it that may be painful.



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I'd bet that Fry would be 'offended' if someone went on a non-stop gay rant against him. He would wouldn't he, especially so given his condition?

 

[LanceRomance]

People may well pull the 'I'm offended' line all too readily at times but even Fry himself can't just throw it all under the one blanket?

Why tell someone they're ugly when there may be no need to do so?
Why point out someones disability when it may have nothing to do with the character of the individual?
Why keep highlighting the colour of an individual when really the only reason you'd be doing it is to offend?

Sometimes it's not what one says but rather the intent behind it that may be painful.

I am sure they are things that people tended not to say in the first instance as they are nasty.

Most people were brought up to not tease people about things they cannot change.

And those things you have pointed out wouldn't fit under the PC banner, imo.

 

[Mezzoculo]

One of the problems regarding resistance to respectful language is that the complaints always come from the majority, powerful voices. Those that have never experienced bias, bigotry or hate. Try to imagine living as a minority group before you start talking about what people find offensive.

Empathy is indeed an underappreciated trait.

 

[Big Sim]

Sorry, but Sam Newman has a mind that is best left unspoken.

I remember being in far north Queensland during the heyday of One Nation and there were a lot of car stickers saying "we think what Pauline says." Stopping people from vilifying others will not stop people from thinking racist, sexist and any other kind of mean-spirited nonsense you would care to name. But if you stop them saying it out loud I guess there is less chance of it being seen as acceptable.

 

[ShanDog]

There's really a couple of different discussions happening at once here that looks like the one topic, but really isn't.

The belief that we need laws and punitive measures for people who are unkind makes me laugh.

Its better to know what someone really thinks and not like it than be deceived. And if that person shares what they really think openly, they are then openly ridiculed or dismissed as pathetic by the masses. This is social justice. The standard is set by what people accept, not what law says.

Avoiding descriptions that identify race like it somehow doesn't exist, believing the inherent differences between cultures and races is somehow wrong to speak of and other rubbish like this is what being "PC" actually is. And it's rubbish.

 

[HARKER]

There's really a couple of different discussions happening at once here that looks like the one topic, but really isn't.
The belief that we need laws and punitive measures for people who are unkind makes me laugh.

Its better to know what someone really thinks and not like it than be deceived. And if that person shares what they really think openly, they are then openly ridiculed or dismissed as pathetic by the masses. This is social justice. The standard is set by what people accept, not what law says.

Avoiding descriptions that identify race like it somehow doesn't exist, believing the inherent differences between cultures and races is somehow wrong to speak of and other rubbish like this is what being "PC" actually is. And it's rubbish.

Really should take these discussions to the SRP board but.........

You're individualizing and that's not what this is about.
Whether we like it or not we're a communal animal and we sheep can follow just because we can't, or are unsure of how to make up our own minds.
I wish that wasn't the case but it is in many instances.

Decent morals should be our standard and The Golden Rule is what we should strive for, irrespective of how many more generations it takes to 'get it'
We're continually swaying in what we believe to be right or wrong and I'd sooner overbalance for now, before the right equilibrium comes about.........and it will come about and even though I don't particularly trust the human race, we'll just have to grit our teeth and allow our children to be a little smarter than we ever were and their children thereafter............and so on.

 

[Aphrodite]

I have deleted a couple of posts that belong in SRP.

Take it there thanks folks and back on topic please :-


General AFL Discussion!

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Former Hawk Ben Dixon has joined the coaching panel at Newcastle Knights NRL club to assist the players improve their field kicking.

I like the idea of codes using coaches from different sports, I recall Freo hired a former Mens Hockey coach several years ago (can't remember his name)