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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
How can you troll an opening post ?
Troll thread. It's acker, for God's sake!
How can you troll an opening post ?
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Some news report mentioned he was on our board .. are u on it too ?
Some news report mentioned he was on our board .. are u on it too ?
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Do you think they will announce if Cameron or another is still involved with another club still in finals ?
Do you think they will announce if Cameron or another is still involved with another club still in finals ?
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
2 points and a dodgy goal umpiring decision ... 1997 Prelim tattooed in my mind
2 points and a dodgy goal umpiring decision ... 1997 Prelim tattooed in my mind
lachy
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
When appointing a coach the reality is who may be a good coach in one club may not be in another. It's just the dynamics of the group.
FWIW whenever I have attended any coaching course where Leon Cameron was presenting he was very impressive in that he knew where football was heading, was working on strategies to negate or take advantage of and was very strong in his conviction.
He has completed the highest level of coaching accreditation and went to Hawtdorn to broaden his experience.
I have been to other courses with a variety of other assistant coaches and really the only other one who really impressed me was Brendan McCartney when hes was at Geelong
When appointing a coach the reality is who may be a good coach in one club may not be in another. It's just the dynamics of the group.
FWIW whenever I have attended any coaching course where Leon Cameron was presenting he was very impressive in that he knew where football was heading, was working on strategies to negate or take advantage of and was very strong in his conviction.
He has completed the highest level of coaching accreditation and went to Hawtdorn to broaden his experience.
I have been to other courses with a variety of other assistant coaches and really the only other one who really impressed me was Brendan McCartney when hes was at Geelong
OldSchool
Brownlow Medallist
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
I think the moment the decision is made we will make the announcement.
Other clubs have lost assistant coaches just before finals and we have no reason to do any other club a favor.
I'm a little surprised that you have endorsed Cameron but you have explained all your reasons well enough.
The problem some will have with a Cameron appointment would be the potential that he is seen as 'Rocket Lite'.
My concerns is what I have already pointed out but we do need a coach that can also sell the club to the media, fans and sponsors and I think that is a genuine weakness in the Cameron application.
He's no Mark Harvey but he's also no Rocket in that regard.
I think the moment the decision is made we will make the announcement.
Other clubs have lost assistant coaches just before finals and we have no reason to do any other club a favor.
I'm a little surprised that you have endorsed Cameron but you have explained all your reasons well enough.
The problem some will have with a Cameron appointment would be the potential that he is seen as 'Rocket Lite'.
My concerns is what I have already pointed out but we do need a coach that can also sell the club to the media, fans and sponsors and I think that is a genuine weakness in the Cameron application.
He's no Mark Harvey but he's also no Rocket in that regard.
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
What has being vice-captain, winning a best and fairest, Wallace and Wheeler, and leaving everything on the field as a player got to do with being appointed as a coach? None have any relevance.
What is good about the selection panel? The fact that Chris Grant is one of Leon's best mates, the fact that Tom Harley has no coaching experience and is the only outsider, the fact that Garlick played alongside him, or the fact that you probably know next to nothing about board member Walsh??
Sorry, but your reasoning rings of an emotional attachment to the potential coach.
I agree with Old School, that he will be perceived as Eade-light.
What has being vice-captain, winning a best and fairest, Wallace and Wheeler, and leaving everything on the field as a player got to do with being appointed as a coach? None have any relevance.
What is good about the selection panel? The fact that Chris Grant is one of Leon's best mates, the fact that Tom Harley has no coaching experience and is the only outsider, the fact that Garlick played alongside him, or the fact that you probably know next to nothing about board member Walsh??
Sorry, but your reasoning rings of an emotional attachment to the potential coach.
I agree with Old School, that he will be perceived as Eade-light.
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Not yet, I am the 'white knight' Dimma keeps spruiking about.
Just interested that you are happy with who is on our selection committee, but have no idea who a key member of the group is.
Not yet, I am the 'white knight' Dimma keeps spruiking about.
Just interested that you are happy with who is on our selection committee, but have no idea who a key member of the group is.
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
What does that intimate knowledge that they want really provide over and above an outsider anyway? Each players personality traits, strengths, weaknesses, club culture ... these can all be communicated, there's people already (or should already be) there with that kind of information which can be passed on to whoever gets the role. On the other hand, something like the intellectual property of recent premiership teams cannot be taught or passed on.
IMO the IP that someone like Neeld would bring would almost be worth more than his contract.
Who is "the club". Smorgon, Garlick, Fantasia? All the above?
What does that intimate knowledge that they want really provide over and above an outsider anyway? Each players personality traits, strengths, weaknesses, club culture ... these can all be communicated, there's people already (or should already be) there with that kind of information which can be passed on to whoever gets the role. On the other hand, something like the intellectual property of recent premiership teams cannot be taught or passed on.
IMO the IP that someone like Neeld would bring would almost be worth more than his contract.
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Not worth debating, decision has been made.
They would not have let Eade go without already speaking to the replacement.
You just have to look at the review panel to know Cameron has the job.
Would have prefer someone outside myself yet happy to give Cameron a go.
Not worth debating, decision has been made.
They would not have let Eade go without already speaking to the replacement.
You just have to look at the review panel to know Cameron has the job.
Would have prefer someone outside myself yet happy to give Cameron a go.
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It's down to 4 according to the HS. Mcartney, Cameron, Williams and they think Sanderson. I wonder how many stones we have turned over for this?
I'm a fraction suprised that Williams has made to the last stages.
I'm a fraction suprised that Williams has made to the last stages.
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
I wouldn't expect a Bulldog director to be a peanut eating monkey
Football Op's Manager - Ex Captain - CEO - Ex recent Dual Premiership Captain of another club - Board Member
Seems lot a good mix to me as I put in my opening post.
I post on these forums in good faith without getting worried if they leave a mark on your piddling post Rover.
Not yet, I am the 'white knight' Dimma keeps spruiking about.
Just interested that you are happy with who is on our selection committee, but have no idea who a key member of the group is.
I wouldn't expect a Bulldog director to be a peanut eating monkey
Football Op's Manager - Ex Captain - CEO - Ex recent Dual Premiership Captain of another club - Board Member
Seems lot a good mix to me as I put in my opening post.
I post on these forums in good faith without getting worried if they leave a mark on your piddling post Rover.
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Sydney Swans could have looked at Roos subsequent appointment to Eade that way, it ended in a Premiership 3 years later.
Pretty hard to get media attention until you take up a senior coaching position. With the exception of Nathan Buckley and previously Michael Voss, Cameron's media profile seems to be on par with most of the other Assistant Coaches vying for Senior Coaching spots right now.
Although I will admit Paul Williams presents well to the media and should not be discounted also as a strong contender for the coaching spot.
Sydney Swans could have looked at Roos subsequent appointment to Eade that way, it ended in a Premiership 3 years later.
Pretty hard to get media attention until you take up a senior coaching position. With the exception of Nathan Buckley and previously Michael Voss, Cameron's media profile seems to be on par with most of the other Assistant Coaches vying for Senior Coaching spots right now.
Although I will admit Paul Williams presents well to the media and should not be discounted also as a strong contender for the coaching spot.
McCartney to get the role.
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Ex-captain who is a close friend of the so-called major candidate.
CEO who played alongside the so-called major candidate.
What is Walsh's background, and how is he qualified to be on the coach-selection committee?
A premiership captain of another club is still not someone with coaching experience - why Harley, when last time we used Walls? We could use Parkin, Pagan, Roos, Matthews, etc, etc
Ex-captain who is a close friend of the so-called major candidate.
CEO who played alongside the so-called major candidate.
What is Walsh's background, and how is he qualified to be on the coach-selection committee?
A premiership captain of another club is still not someone with coaching experience - why Harley, when last time we used Walls? We could use Parkin, Pagan, Roos, Matthews, etc, etc
natedog
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I know a fair bit about Williams and Cameron. Does anyone have more information and insights on Sanderson and McCartney? Hard to find a decent summary.
Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
WE have been a flophouse ever since Campbell Rose moved on. With Campbell we looked and acted professional. We have been going backwards since.
I believe you are not referring to Smorgon but the 'fish stinks from the head down'. Before Rose he made a series of poor appointments. We dont get a say in who will be the next CEO, Football director or CFO. Smorgo does.
Smorgo has tried his guts out for us. But like he moved on Eade its now time for him to move on. 'We need to freshen up' to quote the man.
FISH STINKS FROM THE HEAD DOWN
WE have been a flophouse ever since Campbell Rose moved on. With Campbell we looked and acted professional. We have been going backwards since.
I believe you are not referring to Smorgon but the 'fish stinks from the head down'. Before Rose he made a series of poor appointments. We dont get a say in who will be the next CEO, Football director or CFO. Smorgo does.
Smorgo has tried his guts out for us. But like he moved on Eade its now time for him to move on. 'We need to freshen up' to quote the man.
FISH STINKS FROM THE HEAD DOWN
OldSchool
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Re: Leon Cameron my choice for coach
Not sure I agree. Neeld has been impressive on Foxtel on a regular basis and the likes of Richardson (Carlton) on SEN.
The fact is Cameron isn't a strong public speaker which is sort of a requirement for our club. The content of what he says might be OK but he won't be a convincing presenter to the media, sponsors or coteries.
It's a gap in his appointment if we are to believe all the rumors that it's his job to lose.
That decision was forced by the major sponsors as the Swans wanted Wallace but Roos won the right people over
Not sure I agree. Neeld has been impressive on Foxtel on a regular basis and the likes of Richardson (Carlton) on SEN.
The fact is Cameron isn't a strong public speaker which is sort of a requirement for our club. The content of what he says might be OK but he won't be a convincing presenter to the media, sponsors or coteries.
It's a gap in his appointment if we are to believe all the rumors that it's his job to lose.
Brenton Sanderson
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Geelong: Asst Coach 2007-
Port Adel: Asst Coach 2006
The 2009 season marked Brenton’s third as an assistant coach with the Cats as Geelong returned to the grand final. The season also marked his 14th campaign at Skilled Stadium, where he spent 11 years and 199 games as a player. Sanderson spent the 2006 season as development coach at Port Adelaide, ironically it was the Power that Geelong defeated to take the 2007 flag.
He was charged with working with the Power’s young players, with four of them breaking through to earn rising star nominations in 2006.
http://www.geelongcats.com.au/TheClub/Coaches/BrentonSanderson/tabid/13498/Default.aspx
Brendan McCartney
Switched to Essendon after 11 seasons as an assistant at Geelong and will take on more of a match-day role with the Bombers. Is renowned for his teaching skills, having been a development coach at Richmond for two seasons before his time at the Cats. Will look after the attacking aspects of the game-plan, including the forwards.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/team/coach.asp?id=22
I hope we go for Sanderson personally, but McCartney sounds alright.
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McCartney has the more experience, but Sanderson has coached under Mark Thompson and now Chris Scott under dominant teams of the past 5 seasons.
In reality, come October he could be an assistant in 4 GFs for 3 flags!
In reality, come October he could be an assistant in 4 GFs for 3 flags!
Dogs_R_Us
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Anyone heard McCartney speak? Can he get supporters onside, sell the club's image? Quite apart from firing up the players of course!
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