yep i too remember the sharks name!
i reckon the fremantle sharks wouldve been better and actually sounds like they would be a tougher team! not like the crap we see from them half the time
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yep i too remember the sharks name!
i reckon the fremantle sharks wouldve been better and actually sounds like they would be a tougher team! not like the crap we see from them half the time
who the hell thought that purple green and red would be a good colour combo? at least they didn't choose teal.
Mero, not saying that they derived the name directly from the "Painters and Dockers' union, merely using that to show that the word 'Docker" was NOT completely foreign to Australia as some people claim.
However I would challenge the claim that the "Dockers" refers explicitly to Fremantle Dock as used for the Americas Cup. I would tend to think that the name is a more generic one that represents those people that work on docks, wharves etc.
Sorry Mero, but that is incorrect. As i said before, it is in redards to their very first season weairng Brown and gold, in which it was a fully brown jumper with a gold yolk rather then v. The name came about as a reference to the way the jumper looked (like a honey, or Mustardpot)
Does not refer to the 1933 jumper, i believe it refers to around 1917 (the VFA days)
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WTF is with "West Coast" anyway?! Like where is it, point it out on a map!!!111
Stupid soulless franchise.
Stupid soulless franchise.
It's that line on the map between the "land" bit and the "ocean" bit.
Easier to spot than "Western" is, that's for sure!
I believe it has something to do with the lights used on ships or buoys throughout a harbour.
I thought the red and green was to do with the Italian connection in the port. Can't remember what the story behind the purple was.
The Italian connection is a very handy myth which shows the italian origins of the Fremantle township. Unfortunately it really represents port and starboard colours, (i am lead to believe).
The purple is for South Freo (red V and white guernsey) and East Freo (Blue and White Hoops), but thats another well thought out myth. I think they just needed an original colour.
I for one am not a fan of the anchor on the jumper, as TISM once sang "its novel, its unique, its shithouse!". I would have preferred a white jumper with a purple sash.
Port Adelaide Pirates pisses all over PA Power, why didnt they go with that? Maybe a dispute with the pittsburgh pirates? Mind you a Teal coloured pirate wouldnt exactly strike fear into me, belongs in a wiggles show.
The purple is for South Freo (red V and white guernsey) and East Freo (Blue and White Hoops), but thats another well thought out myth. I think they just needed an original colour.
I for one am not a fan of the anchor on the jumper, as TISM once sang "its novel, its unique, its shithouse!". I would have preferred a white jumper with a purple sash.
Port Adelaide Pirates pisses all over PA Power, why didnt they go with that? Maybe a dispute with the pittsburgh pirates? Mind you a Teal coloured pirate wouldnt exactly strike fear into me, belongs in a wiggles show.
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Hmm, yes, no, maybe, not sure. The name 'Dockers' may have come from the Painters and Dockers Union, or from the America's Cup dock, but my old grandfather worked on the waterside all his life, and he described himself as a 'lumper', because that's what waterside workers were called in those days. He was also a secretary of the Lumper's Union for a time. (Later, in the 50's and 60's, when the wharf became more mechanised, waterside workers began to be known as 'wharfies').
The term 'docker' may not be foreign to Australia, but by the same token it's not a direct import from America- American waterside workers are known on both sides of the country as 'longshoremen'.
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In 1914 they adopted this jumper.
In 1917, there was no play in the VFA.
According to the Hawthorn FC Museum, Hawthorn were never called the Mustard Pots before 1933.
They were called the Thorns in the VFA.
The Reserves were first called the Mayblooms, because when you bloomed you were in seniors.
Hawthorn Seniors weren't called that until the late 1920s.
Let's just hope the new clubs learn from the mistakes of Freo and Port in regards to trying to come up with something new and modern in the design, colour, logo, name etc stakes....and go for something classy, strong and timeless; I still don't know why that was so hard to achieve with the brainiacs who invented Freo & Port's 'identities' all those years ago but hey, maybe looking like an 80s K Mart surf brand was a good thing back then.
Freo are slowly trying to distance themselves from the green and white colours and get a stronger identity with just the purple so obviously they must regret it to some extent themselves....
Get it right the first time so you don't have to keep chaning along the way! (I'm looking at you too West Coast).
Freo are slowly trying to distance themselves from the green and white colours and get a stronger identity with just the purple so obviously they must regret it to some extent themselves....
Get it right the first time so you don't have to keep chaning along the way! (I'm looking at you too West Coast).
In 1914 they adopted this jumper.
In 1917, there was no play in the VFA.
According to the Hawthorn FC Museum, Hawthorn were never called the Mustard Pots before 1933.
They were called the Thorns in the VFA.
The Reserves were first called the Mayblooms, because when you bloomed you were in seniors.
Hawthorn Seniors weren't called that until the late 1920s.
yes, that is the one... I know what the museum said, haha... however, A few years back i did research into the club, and found an old article at the state library from prior to the Hawks being in the VFL (mid 1910's) which said "The mustard pots were poor" in a small report to a VFA game.
It wasn't an official name by the club, but rather a term the media used due to the fact the jumpers looked like mustard pot's
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You might want to speak to Peter Haby in the Museum and direct him to the article, as the club's position is the name only comes from the introduction of the killer Gold jumpers.
(The coach died of poisoning when the dye from the jumper infected a cut on his arm)
They stopped wearing them after one season.
yeah, i have been meaning to get in touch with him about donating some items (very old memberships etc... such as the 1957 one (first yr any hawthorn side made the finals in VFL/AFL)
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He's a really nice bloke, and obviously a Hawks fanatic.
I reckon he'd be pleased to see stuff like that, though they have an issue with what stuff they can put on display at any one time.
In relation to the Mustad Pots not being an official name, most of the VFL nicknames weren't given by the clubs themselves.
It was the journos way of not using the same name twice in a sentence, so they had to use other names for them.
EG Hawthorn kicked away with five goals in the third, and though Carlton answered with three of their own, the Mustard Pots were able to extend their lead to 20 at the final break, with the Butchers looking like they were gone.
Always thought Dockers was a crap name, but in hindsight it's probably the most apt name they could have come up with. Wharfies in Australia were always regarded as inefficient and overpaid bums.
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Do wharfies take blokes who can't get a game for Essendon?
Do wharfies trade part timers to other jobs where they excel?
The wharfies should be suing the Dockers for misappropriating their name.
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I know it's business and all, but there's still a case for thinking long-term rather than trying to artificially create something that's an instant hit. Lay a foundation and let it build over time, don't try to create an immediate identity and "tradition" out of nothing.
Funny thing there is that while their marketing department continues to come out with a new jumper every year, the one all the fans seem to want to see is the original blue wings one.
Of course, a marketing consultant who says "All the fans are happy with what you have, don't change anything" doesn't have a job very long.
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When you're forced to change from the best guernsey and mascot in the country, steeped in glory and tradition, 'new and modern' is the only option, whether it's Power or Pirates or whatever.
Seriously, what other option was there?
Their original guernsey - you know, the one with pink and magenta stripes (1883 to 1902)
Probably been a few wharfies that have played for the Bombers, Mero. And I don't particularly have a problem taking a punt on former Essendon players, especially when were talking draft picks over 50 that we wouldn't have used on anyone else anyway. If it works out fine, if it doesn't what we have we actually lost? Nothing.
And while I (and I'm sure many others) appreciate the sterling work you do on documenting the history of footy jumpers Mero, taking cheap shots at my club (or any club) when you aren't prepared to list who you support is a bit cowardly.
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Yes its for port and starboard, Hence why the Red will always be on the left hand side and Green the Right hand side! as for the Purple...?
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