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kirsti said:
My name is Kirsti Miller formerly Warren Miller I have grave concerns with the current transgender sports participation guidelines in particular with the guidelines in high impact sports such as AFL Football.

I am a former duel international male athlete having represented Australia at many world championships and Pan American Games in the sports of Modern Pentathlon and Aquathon. I am also a former first grade rugby league player with Wagga Brothers, I was an inaugural inductee in the Wagga Wagga Sporting Hall Of Fame I was the only inductee inducted for multiple sports being swimming, Modern Pentathlon and Aquathon. I was inducted alongside other Australian Sports Legends such as Mortimer, Sterling, Arthur Summons, Wayne Carey, Paul Kelly, Mark Taylor and Michael Slater.

In 2013 I became the first fully transitioned woman to play women’s AFL Football at any level in Australia out here in Broken Hill. I commenced my transition back in the year 2000 at the time I was the local Governor of the Broken Hill Correctional Centre. I underwent gender surgery in 2006 also having my birth certificate amended to female in 2006.

There has been a lot of controversy with transgender participation in sports in recent times in particular with the stories of Laurel Hubbard the Nz transitioned weightlifter and also Hannah Mouncey the former male international handball player and women’s Aussie Rules Football Player.

There has also been much misinformed information reported in recent times from both the media and also by Hannah Mouncey herself, these people are deers in the headlights in this conversation.

I am a long time transgender sports advocate and educator in diversity and inclusion in sports. I am heavily involved in global discussions and also discussions within Australia re developing an updated trans sports participation guidelines.

Not many people are aware that the new IOC Guidelines that were released prior to the Rio Olympics were developed in 1/2 a day by 90 sports officials without science. These policies were developed as a hip response to lesson liability in the divisional court in Toronto Canada in the human rights case of Canadian Transitioned Female Cyclist Kristen Worley’s historic human rights victory.

The current IOC policy removed the the requirement of trans females having to have had gender surgery as a prerequisite to compete and they also introduced a policy of trans women having to have a level of endogenous testosterone Of below 10nmols per litre of blood at least 12 months prior to there first competition in the female category.
The advantage with this new policy has without doubt tipped the advantage in the favour of transgender athletes and in high impact sports it has cause a definite health and safety risk to biologically born females.

What concerns me is that our competitors are being harshly criticised for objecting to this new policy or even for having their concerns voiced political correctness is rife in this conversation unfortunately.There are many factors other then increased testosterone levels that significantly affect the competitive edge in sport such as nutrition,age,height, weight,access to coaching and training facilities, & other genetic and biological variations like oxygen-carrying capacity.

For a person transitioning from XY male to XY female we need to be able to show how we have minimised our strength & endurance by 10 to 12% the estimated performance difference between males and females across most sports that rely on endurance & strength. Up until puberty age there is very little performance difference between the sexes experiencing a male puberty is where the difference in males & females in endurance and strength becomes evident, @Scienceofsport explains this better then anyone I have heard before. To enable XY females to gain some credibility in sports we need to identify measurable quantities that can show all stakeholders how we have minimised this advantage of experiencing a male puberty and living years with a male endocrine system.Some of the measurable quantities I suggest could be screening pre transition V02 Oxygen levels, muscle mass , testosterone levels, bone density and BMI’s. We need the criteria to compete to be clear for both the transitioning athlete & our competitors. This hopefully would minimise transitioning athletes having to defend the right to compete each time they play sport & it would show our competition in measurable terms what the criteria is to compete, and when and how the criteria has been met. Our competition also face criticism unfairly when they question the rights of transitioning athletes competing this would be minimised with clearer and measurable quantities within trans participation policies.

For XX female to XX male athletes minimising performance is not seen necessary although I do have concerns this may be the case in the future with XX males being able to super dope unrestricted. XX females transitioning to XX males do not have to undergo a hysterectomy (removal of the womb and ovaries), but a gonadectomy (removal of testicles) is carried out on XY males transitioning to XY females.What this means, in effect, is that XX males do not have the main testosterone-producing organ in their body removed, but XY females do. Sport has put forward the idea that transitioning from one sex to the other is the same process. The XY female’s body is broken down into a post-menopausal state and the complications that come with that. The XX male gets juiced, and goes into a hyper state due to their known biological sensitivity to androgens. You see them in football, in bodybuilding, in all the big muscle sports doing exceptionally well, because they are taking these high levels of testosterone that are completely unregulated. They never bring XX males back into a state of lower values after they have gone through transition. They just stick to those higher levels. Chris Mossier could not be competing the way that he competes as a biathlete without those really high levels of testosterone. Mack Beggs is a hyper-doping athlete competing in sport who is outperforming other female athletes. People should be complaining because it’s clearly doping. Chris Mossier , Beggs and others have been getting away with it and this is the problem with what the IOC has done. It has solely focused on the male/female social model, but has never done the necessary homework. The science actually opposes the IOC’s international policy.

With XY females fully transitioned I believe creating a fair inclusion policy could be achieved now, XY women (fully transitioned) are the only athletes competing unhealthy in a complete androgen deprivation state and well beyond a (post menopause state). Incredibly unhealthy and spore eventually becomes impossible as the body deteriorates as it cannot respond to day-to-day functions without androgens as the bodies primary communications and regulator hormone. Moreover and important, the XY transitioned female is the only body that can show the health and key markers where the body turns on then off, as the body loses its ability to regulate androgens. Which then causes complete androgen deprivation of the human body, heavily contraindicates it as testosterone plays over 200 functions in the body every single day separate of the sex of the physiology.

A transitioning XY Female (pre op)are hypgonatic, not feeling full effects of complete androgen deprivation and plus 2 dozen contraindications because they still have gonads. If they were a HP athlete prior and during continued transition minimising the advantage in women's competition takes even longer years longer. A pre op XY female still has a male endocrine system all it takes is for the transitioning athlete is to not take their androgens blockers for a day and testosterone production will recommence.

A transitioning (pre op) XY Female effectively has the equivalent of a fully loaded syringe of testosterone at her disposal. As Hannah Mouncey states in a recent article she only had to provide her initial testosterone levels with no follow up tests very easy to manipulate testosterone levels. At the elite level of sport & also in high impact sports this is a grave concern. A transitioning XY female athlete could take just enough testosterone blockers to maintain a testosterone level at just under 10nmols very easily with manipulating her medication, almost impossible to police.

The truth in this conversation needs to hit mainstream media the integrity of women’s sport is to important for it not to be.
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010203 said:
I think Mike needs to try and twist Mick Malthouse's arm again to try and get him on. I usually record every episode but i have missed a few due to a lack of interest.
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Malthouse would be a great guest to have on.

He's probably been asked by Mike, but Ron Barassi is another guest I would love to see. Plenty to discuss and could go the whole hour.
 
PonsfordMagpie said:
Malthouse would be a great guest to have on.

He's probably been asked by Mike, but Ron Barassi is another guest I would love to see. Plenty to discuss and could go the whole hour.
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Barassi would be fantastic but won't get him on with his health issues unfortunately

My reservation with Malthouse is whether he would be forthcoming and accomodating or testy and unyielding. Could go either way.
 
TheJanuaryMan said:
My reservation with Malthouse is whether he would be forthcoming and accomodating or testy and unyielding. Could go either way.
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And either would be entertaining I would have thought?
 
For me it’s not the sexuality that’s an issue. It’s the sheer size difference which is huge. Strangely from the highlights they played,she looked quite uncoordinated for some reason.
 

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I think they're going to need a bigger chair.
 
Neese said:
Not watching that
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If you listen to The Sounding Board podcast, Hutchy sounds like a decent bloke with plenty of interesting yarns to tell. I’d have a beer with him.

Be interested to see which persona he brings to Open Mike.
 
Ilksy said:
If you listen to The Sounding Board podcast, Hutchy sounds like a decent bloke with plenty of interesting yarns to tell. I’d have a beer with him.

Be interested to see which persona he brings to Open Mike.
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He was way too serious. Maybe it was the Mike effect but Hutchy's tone was almost that of a eulogy.
 
Rod Stroker said:
He was way too serious. Maybe it was the Mike effect but Hutchy's tone was almost that of a eulogy.
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I enjoyed it. Love him or loathe him, there’s no escaping that he’s had a significant impact on the footy landscape. Put his hand up and said he got a few things wrong (particularly re Kosi) but I found it insightful and can’t help but be impressed at his resilience and love for what he does.
 
azyboy said:
I enjoyed it. Love him or loathe him, there’s no escaping that he’s had a significant impact on the footy landscape. Put his hand up and said he got a few things wrong (particularly re Kosi) but I found it insightful and can’t help but be impressed at his resilience and love for what he does.
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It wasn't bad. I'm not a Hutchy hater, although I do think he comes across as a pompous arrogant twat on occasions on Footy Classified. I do prefer his blokey persona on the Sounding Board podcasts as someone mentioned above. I've found some of those really insightful in terms of how deals get done in AFL. No doubt he knows the business side of footy well.
 
I think the Radio Hutchy is far closer to the real Hutchy then the footy journo and the Footy classified host. He is a bit of a different cat (living in a hotel, never cooked a meal for himself) but he has great business sense and doesn't seem to take anything personally which would be very hard within the industry he is in. The Footy Show was never going to work with him as host. I do enjoy off the bench on a Saturday morning, it is very funny. It was a good watch.
 

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