Restricted Free Agent Oscar Allen

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THE_GUN said:
Thats a matter of opinion

Smith asked for a trade to Geelong which not many thought they had that draft capital and the same went for Dunkley to brisbane a few years ago.

Might be a pointless exercise but there are alot of pointless things discussed on forums to gauge opinions and this was the same as i had pointed out

But again say he was out of contract and wanted the Pies what do you get for him ?
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id sooner send him to the PSD than trade him to the pies for spare change.

There is no way he would get to the Pies in this scenario. I would then pick him back up again in the PSD if he was still there. He would be picking a club at the bottom of their rebuild, sticking around at west coast who will be on the way up, or finding a club that can pay something better
 
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Rich01 said:
Yep you sum it up well.
May be contending for finals by the time Allen is 30, but do you really want that? Get maximum impact for him now. You guys are miles off it. By far the furthest if Harley goes as expected in the next couple as well. Build properly with high draft picks.
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Have you seen the Richmond list? Can’t be furthest from finals while that group of state league players exist.
 

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Shueygod said:
Is it? A lot of fuss being made over one draft considering they are coming from a position where, if we’re being very generous they have 3 players under 23 that have looked like they belong at AFL level.
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7 picks in the top 30 in a strong draft.

Very possible they will have two top 10 picks next year.

Richmond isn't the Gold Coast or Giants, they will have a war chest to go after top young players wanting to return to Victoria.
 
eastfreo75 said:
7 picks in the top 30 in a strong draft.

Very possible they will have two top 10 picks next year.

Richmond isn't the Gold Coast or Giants, they will have a war chest to go after top young players wanting to return to Victoria.
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Players wont want to go to Richmond if theyre struggling, as much as Richmond is a bigger club players generally prefer to go to clubs that they can win games at
 
stallon said:
Expectation is Harley stays, it would be a coup if a club was able to pry him away.
If Harley was to leave we would fetch a huge price for him, should be the highest price for a player since Judd. We will be fine.
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Harley’s highest value will be end of next year.

Warner, an early second rounder for reid as well as a top three compo pick for Allan would be realistic.

Personally I’d 'reluctantly’ let Allan go. And try a hard as I could to sign Reid. But if it true he’s wants to go, and doesn’t sign by end of 25, I’d offload him then.
 
Rich01 said:
Yup. But they divested their top players over 25 to have a real crack at a flag long term.

Now tell me how Oscar will contribute to your next flag.
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Not sure it was intentional mate, Richmond’s best players were leaving a sinking ship devoid of talent, we will see how it ends up long term.

You think it’s impossible the eagles are contending within 6 years?
 
Rich01 said:
Harley’s highest value will be end of next year.

Warner, an early second rounder for reid as well as a top three compo pick for Allan would be realistic.

Personally I’d 'reluctantly’ let Allan go. And try a hard as I could to sign Reid. But if it true he’s wants to go, and doesn’t sign by end of 25, I’d offload him then.
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Warner isnt worth that much lol. The gap between he and Reids values are still decent. Reid if he does what we expect will be the most valuable player in the comp in 12 months time, including Daicos and JHF and whoever else.
If Harley wanted to go in 2025 then id be telling him Richmond is the only club we will deal with, pick 1+Norths 1st pick as the base, if it ends up being pick 1+2 then a straight swap for Reid sounds good.

Anyways, back to something that isn't entirely speculation on the value of a 2nd player in a years time.
I agree letting Allen go is logically the correct move too, but id imagine he wont really want to leave and we wont push him out either. We will offer him something close to market value, at maybe 1 year less than he would prefer.
 

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Shueygod said:
Not sure it was intentional mate, Richmond’s best players were leaving a sinking ship devoid of talent, we will see how it ends up long term.

You think it’s impossible the eagles are contending within 6 years?
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Nothing is impossible.
But Allen will be 31 by then.
Waterman, Kelly, McGovern, Ryan, Yeo, Cripps gone. Baker and Graham likely too.

Who’s leading their midfield? Harley (if they keep him), Hewitt (if he can get on the park and shows he’s decent), Ginbey and Allan as part time mids. They may jag Warner which would be an absolute need. Pickett should also be high on their list to bring across.

They would have to be relying on everything to go right for them to contend.

If Allan can net them a top five pick, they’d be crazy to match the deal.
 
Allen knee injury is the same as Andrew Mcleod knee was.
So building up the muscles around the knee, and extra vigilant with his weekly
recovery he should be fine long term
His trip to Dubai basically reinforced that is the correct approach
 
Rich01 said:
Nothing is impossible.
But Allen will be 31 by then.
Waterman, Kelly, McGovern, Ryan, Yeo, Cripps gone. Baker and Graham likely too.

Who’s leading their midfield? Harley (if they keep him), Hewitt (if he can get on the park and shows he’s decent), Ginbey and Allan as part time mids. They may jag Warner which would be an absolute need. Pickett should also be high on their list to bring across.

They would have to be relying on everything to go right for them to contend.

If Allan can net them a top five pick, they’d be crazy to match the deal.
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Very pessimistic view calling Ginbey and Allan part time mids, assume Lalor is one as well in your eyes?
 
Shueygod said:
Very pessimistic view calling Ginbey and Allan part time mids, assume Lalor is one as well in your eyes?
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Who knows about Lalor?
He could end up more Raynor than Petracca. Time will tell. But this thread isn’t about Lalor or Richmond.

If Ginbey ends up in your starting square quartet I wouldn’t think you’d be contending. Looks better off half back for mine.

But in six years time Oscar will be cooked, and I still don’t think the base of the squad you have right now will put them into contention. Why keep him if you can get a top line mid next year and have Waterman and Shanahan play they key forward roles?
 
Rich01 said:
Who knows about Lalor?
He could end up more Raynor than Petracca. Time will tell. But this thread isn’t about Lalor or Richmond.

If Ginbey ends up in your starting square quartet I wouldn’t think you’d be contending. Looks better off half back for mine.

But in six years time Oscar will be cooked, and I still don’t think the base of the squad you have right now will put them into contention. Why keep him if you can get a top line mid next year and have Waterman and Shanahan play they key forward roles?
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Just found it strange you wrote off the Champs AA centre as a part time mids before he’d played an AFL game.

Reckon theres a number of older players/proven youngsters that would fit in a contender in 2028/2029 assuming they were to grab Warner and a number more unproven players that should fill in gaps.

Biggest needs would be Warner and a KPD, would be nice to upgrade ruck as well but history suggests you can get away with a competent one.
 
Shueygod said:
Just found it strange you wrote off the Champs AA centre as a part time mids before he’d played an AFL game.

Reckon theres a number of older players/proven youngsters that would fit in a contender in 2028/2029 assuming they were to grab Warner and a number more unproven players that should fill in gaps.

Biggest needs would be Warner and a KPD, would be nice to upgrade ruck as well but history suggests you can get away with a competent one.
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Who has written him off?

I just see him as a half backer and a part time mid. There’s no shame in that. Get 200 games out of him in that possie and it’s a massive win.

Even the most optimistic would have a few questions on his capability in transitioning into a starting centre square player for a contending side.

But I wasn’t aware he was the AA centre from the champs thought. Wasn’t that Lombard?
 
Rich01 said:
Who has written him off?

I just see him as a half backer and a part time mid. There’s no shame in that. Get 200 games out of him in that possie and it’s a massive win.

Even the most optimistic would have a few questions on his capability in transitioning into a starting centre square player for a contending side.

But I wasn’t aware he was the AA centre from the champs thought. Wasn’t that Lombard?
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Apologies, named on a wing.

I think he and Ginbey have certainly shown enough that one of them could easily be a Rowbottom type which is all you really need surrounding 2 a graders in Reid and Warner.

Time will tell I suppose.
 

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