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[stormskye]

The gift that keeps on giving

Must say it’s a bit rich coming from a Carlton supporter who’ve achieved SFA since 95. Those in glass houses and all

 

[Jafo]

Must say it’s a bit rich coming from a Carlton supporter who’ve achieved SFA since 95. Those in glass houses and all

He’s worth a laugh

 

[nahnah]

Do they teach geography in Western Australia?

 

[NMBB]

Do they teach geography in Western Australia?

Don't know - apparently it's unheard of in American schools

 

[Bramax]

Supporters on the Cats board are convinced his drink was spiked. They want the CCTV footage & arrests made

They're conveniently ignoring he was recently refused entry to a Geelong nightclub due to being intoxicated.

Also ignoring his previous form at his former club and why Adelaide couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

 

[jathanas]

‘Culturally unsafe at Hawthorn’: The key allegations in the Rioli Federal Court claim

Here are the key points of what is alleged in the statement of claim lodged in the Federal Court against the Hawthorn Football Club.

www.theage.com.au

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A statement of claim lodged in the Federal Court – which includes Hawthorn great Cyril Rioli, his wife, Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, his ex-teammates Carl Peterson and Jermaine Miller-Lewis, and Indigenous ex-official Leon Egan and the partner of another former player – alleges that, due to “unlawful discrimination” by Hawthorn, the players suffered “distress”, “psychological harm” and “personal harm”.

Cyril Rioli and Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli​

• Alastair Clarkson called Cyril Rioli “Humphrey B Bear” throughout his career at Hawthorn. In the claim, it was said that this “thereby associated Mr Rioli with a black bear and chose to publicly refer to him in that way.”
• In their claim, Rioli and Ah Sam-Rioli say that during Cyril’s time at Hawthorn, club employees “regularly said things to Mr Rioli that were culturally ignorant”.
• The claim said, that on an end of season trip in 2013, Indigenous player Bradley Hill was asked by senior player Grant Birchall
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  whether Hill’s partner was also a “boong” – an alleged comment that Hill was said to have relayed to his teammate Rioli. Hawthorn did not take any action in response to this incident, the Rioli statement of claim said.
• The Rioli claim said that the 2015 Norm Smith medallist felt “culturally unsafe at Hawthorn” and that Ah Sam-Rioli didn’t take part in wives and girlfriends (WAG) events at the club as a result of feeling culturally unsafe.
• The claim said that in April 2016, Ah Sam-Rioli took her husband’s nephew, aged 13 or 14, to the players’ rooms, where a Hawthorn staffer asked to see their wristbands and said to the boy, “now you behave yourself when you go in there”.
• The Rioli statement said Clarkson had visited Cyril Rioli’s father, “unannounced,” in an Alice Springs hospital after Rioli senior suffered a heart attack in 2017.
• During his visit to Alice Springs, Clarkson said to Mr Rioli words to this effect: “Why do these Aboriginals have darker skin that you?”
• The statement also alleged that, at a meeting at the home of Cyril Rioli’s uncle in 2011, the coach questioned Rioli about how the off-season was going, and then said words to the effect “be careful not to have babies and understand that your career has just taken off and that a child will disrupt your career or potentially end it”.

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There are more indigenous Australians in the article.

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

‘Culturally unsafe at Hawthorn’: The key allegations in the Rioli Federal Court claim

Here are the key points of what is alleged in the statement of claim lodged in the Federal Court against the Hawthorn Football Club.

www.theage.com.au

..
A statement of claim lodged in the Federal Court – which includes Hawthorn great Cyril Rioli, his wife, Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, his ex-teammates Carl Peterson and Jermaine Miller-Lewis, and Indigenous ex-official Leon Egan and the partner of another former player – alleges that, due to “unlawful discrimination” by Hawthorn, the players suffered “distress”, “psychological harm” and “personal harm”.

Cyril Rioli and Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli​

• Alastair Clarkson called Cyril Rioli “Humphrey B Bear” throughout his career at Hawthorn. In the claim, it was said that this “thereby associated Mr Rioli with a black bear and chose to publicly refer to him in that way.”
• In their claim, Rioli and Ah Sam-Rioli say that during Cyril’s time at Hawthorn, club employees “regularly said things to Mr Rioli that were culturally ignorant”.
• The claim said, that on an end of season trip in 2013, Indigenous player Bradley Hill was asked by senior player Grant Birchall whether Hill’s partner was also a “boong” – an alleged comment that Hill was said to have relayed to his teammate Rioli. Hawthorn did not take any action in response to this incident, the Rioli statement of claim said.
• The Rioli claim said that the 2015 Norm Smith medallist felt “culturally unsafe at Hawthorn” and that Ah Sam-Rioli didn’t take part in wives and girlfriends (WAG) events at the club as a result of feeling culturally unsafe.
• The claim said that in April 2016, Ah Sam-Rioli took her husband’s nephew, aged 13 or 14, to the players’ rooms, where a Hawthorn staffer asked to see their wristbands and said to the boy, “now you behave yourself when you go in there”.
• The Rioli statement said Clarkson had visited Cyril Rioli’s father, “unannounced,” in an Alice Springs hospital after Rioli senior suffered a heart attack in 2017.
• During his visit to Alice Springs, Clarkson said to Mr Rioli words to this effect: “Why do these Aboriginals have darker skin that you?”
• The statement also alleged that, at a meeting at the home of Cyril Rioli’s uncle in 2011, the coach questioned Rioli about how the off-season was going, and then said words to the effect “be careful not to have babies and understand that your career has just taken off and that a child will disrupt your career or potentially end it”.

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There are more indigenous Australians in the article.

Scratching my head

 

[jathanas]

Scratching my head

I have never liked Clarkson but in the article, Rioli's claims show him to be at worst ignorant and insensitive.

I lack the education to accurately judge how much “distress”, “psychological harm” and “personal harm” were suffered.

The real stuff is more difficult to digest.

https://fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/120048/2024-07-26_Statement-of-Claim.pdf

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

I have never liked Clarkson but in the article, Rioli's claims show him to be at worst ignorant and insensitive.

I lack the education to accurately judge how much “distress”, “psychological harm” and “personal harm” were suffered.

The real stuff is more difficult to digest.

https://fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/120048/2024-07-26_Statement-of-Claim.pdf

Like to know what the leaders of the club in Mitchell and hodge were doing about it as appears they didn’t have their backs and in not speaking up condoned the behaviour

 

[jathanas]

Like to know what the leaders of the club in Mitchell and hodge were doing about it as appears they didn’t have their backs and in not speaking up condoned the behaviour

Would this question be asked by the media, if Collingwood was the club in question? Now I'm being paranoid.

 

[neilk]

This seems to have moved us out of the news services, which is the only good thing about this story.

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

Would this question be asked by the media, if Collingwood was the club in question? Now I'm being paranoid.

Don’t believe you are being paranoid

 

[NMBB]

Would this question be asked by the media, if Collingwood was the club in question? Now I'm being paranoid.

If it was us it would be accusation after accusation rather than questions - (think I have just out paranoided you)

 

[Pistol Night]

Would this question be asked by the media, if Collingwood was the club in question? Now I'm being paranoid.

100%. The slightest accusation from anyone when we’re involved and it’s front page news for days. This is on another level of disgusting behaviour and very little media traction in comparison

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

100%. The slightest accusation from anyone when we’re involved and it’s front page news for days. This is on another level of disgusting behaviour and very little media traction in comparison

Particularly as there are multiple accounts in this instance

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Dustin Martin to retire effective immediately.

Just announced on the radio moments ago.

 

[Kirby]

Like to know what the leaders of the club in Mitchell and hodge were doing about it as appears they didn’t have their backs and in not speaking up condoned the behaviour

To be fair - having ploughed through all of that statement of claim, the vast majority of the allegations they would probably have no idea about.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

 

[Kirby]

Dusty is certainly one of the greatest of all time. What a great career!

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

To be fair - having ploughed through all of that statement of claim, the vast majority of the allegations they would probably have no idea about.

Perhaps not, except for the Humphrey bear jibe Like to think that leaders of the club would be engaged in constant dialogue with players and be aware if they were upset about something

 

[sr36]

Perhaps not, except for the Humphrey bear jibe Like to think that leaders of the club would be engaged in constant dialogue with players and be aware if they were upset about something

Humphrey is or at least used to be a common nickname for people who don't talk much - not sure if that's Cyril. But it's easy to see why he might take offence but also why others wouldn't see anything in it. I doubt too many coaches of that era were double checking if what they said was OK - times have changed.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Hawkins is also retiring.

Tomahawk says farewell: Top Cat announces retirement

Tom Hawkins announces his retirement from the AFL

www.afl.com.au

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Hawkins is also retiring.

Tomahawk says farewell: Top Cat announces retirement

Tom Hawkins announces his retirement from the AFL

www.afl.com.au

Hahaha wow they could have coordinated that a little better. Give both a week each instead of clashing on the same news cycle.

 

[NMBB]

Hahaha wow they could have coordinated that a little better. Give both a week each instead of clashing on the same news cycle.

WGAF?

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

WGAF?

Well, 1 or 2 other fans I don't care for myself, just happy it didn't impact the SP400 week of festivities.