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domus said:
I hope we have something cooking in the back rooms where all the wheeling and dealing goes on. Barass is a great pick up for Hawthorn. If they get Lewis up and running again they won't have a weakness in any part of the ground.
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Five flags in a row?
 

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Jen2310 said:
Might get him too lol He's a FA
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loki04 said:
Melbourne just released a damage control letter to its members about him.

They didn't deny anything merely stated that he is important to them and contracted till 2029 and will see it out and that they have regular open and frank discussions on how best to improve as a club and player etc often.

www.melbournefc.com.au

A letter to members | Christian Petracca

A letter from CEO Gary Pert to members on Christian Petracca
www.melbournefc.com.au www.melbournefc.com.au
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Yup. I think given what has occurred, once Petracca nominates his choice of club then Melbourne might have to accept unders imo.

You almost kill the guy and then force him to stay lol don't think so.
 
jmac70 said:
You really love them don’t you?
Maybe more than Cox.
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Why does it bother you when I tip my hat to another club's capacity to win flags when they play in finals or the fact that they have had our measure for nigh on 6 decades? I said as much before we played them a few weeks back and in spite of some pushback on this forum it panned out as it usually does. If we win, it's usually us scraping in by the barest of margins which has been the case twice under Fly or they flog us.

I actually hate them. I find them to be arrogant just like their coach, but I can still admire their capacity to win when it matters.

I hope they get done like a dinner in their first final if they make it.

I like watching the Giants when they are on and wouldn't mind seeing them go all the way.

Collingwood and Coxy are my only true loves.
 
domus said:
Why does it bother you when I tip my hat to another club's capacity to win flags when they play in finals or the fact that they have had our measure for nigh on 6 decades? I said as much before we played them a few weeks back and in spite of some pushback on this forum it panned out as it usually does. If we win, it's usually us scraping in by the barest of margins which has been the case twice under Fly or they flog us.

I actually hate them. I find them to be arrogant just like their coach, but I can still admire their capacity to win when it matters.

Collingwood and Coxy are my only true loves.
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It doesn’t bother me. Just makes me laugh.
 
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David Schwarz wants ‘top to bottom’ review at Melbourne as stars continue to be linked with moves​

Stars linked with moves. Claims of infighting and festering culture problems. One Demons great says he’s had enough and wants the club to launch a “top to bottom” review.
Jay Clark
August 13, 2024 - 7:00PM

Melbourne great David Schwarz has called for a full-scale review of the Demons “from the top down” in the wake of bombshell revelations Christian Petracca was weighing up his future at the club.

Schwarz, who played 173 games, said the club’s lack of finals success since the 2021 premiership combined with the trade speculation surrounding superstar midfielders Petracca, Jack Viney and Clayton Oliver was a massive concern.
And with finals out of reach fans have turned off in recent weeks, with only 16,246 and 17,867 people attending their last two Saturday night losses to interstate teams at the MCG.

Schwarz said Melbourne’s on-field results have been “bewildering” in recent years and was dismayed by the suggestion Petracca was disgruntled after playing on with life-threatening internal injuries in Round 14.
The 1999 best-and-fairest winner said the handling of Petracca’s injuries in his last match of the season against Collingwood, including a ruptured spleen, lacerated lung and four broken ribs, was a “debacle”.

“When your best player wants out, alarm bells should be going off,” Schwarz said.
“And it just highlights what the supporters have been saying because for all the talent at their disposal there has been error after error.

“It has been a pretty steep (decline) because we have had straight sets finals exits and now we are going to miss (finals) this year, and considering the cattle we have got — my God.
“But the culture off the field is the most important thing.

“And if your culture is not right and blokes are pulling in different directions it has got to be fixed straight away, otherwise it is going to fester. Clearly it is festering.

“There is infighting and it is not a happy place at the moment, clearly, because they (Petracca and Viney) are more than the fabric, they are the heartbeat of the club.”

North Melbourne has made a strong play for Viney, whose father, Todd, works at the Kangaroos as a highly-respected football manager. The Kangaroos are believed to be preparing a lucrative offer and major leadership and onball roles in a bid to land Viney. The Demons remain confident of signing Viney to a contract extension and on Tuesday shut down any prospect of trading Petracca.

In any case, a trade deal for Petracca, 28, appears to be near impossible as the Demons would ask for a massive bounty in return for the man who remains contracted for five more years on more than $1 million a seasonOliver, who endured personal problems in the off-season and took time away from the club, has struggled with a hand issue this year and polled 10 AFL Coaches’ Association votes, ranked 10th at the Dees this year.

While Melbourne on Tuesday confirmed it was assessing the football department in the wake of a disappointing 2024 season, Schwarz said the whole club should be put under the microscope.

“There should be a full review from the top down,” Schwarz said.
“When you are winning flags everyone is front and centre, but when you need people to stand up and show leadership it is just not there. “I know (CEO) Gary Pert put out a letter, but it was pretty wishy washy and said nothing. “The whole Christian Petracca debacle going back on (the field while injured) there is just clearly something not right there.”

The Demons have sunk to 13th spot on the ladder with 10 wins from 21 games this year, but have lost Andrew Brayshaw to concussion, and traded out Brodie Grundy after one season at the club last year.
Simon Goodwin’s men travel to Gold Coast to take on the Suns on Saturday followed by a Round 24 clash against Collingwood on Friday night at the MCG to finish the season.
 
sam_e said:

David Schwarz wants ‘top to bottom’ review at Melbourne as stars continue to be linked with moves​

Stars linked with moves. Claims of infighting and festering culture problems. One Demons great says he’s had enough and wants the club to launch a “top to bottom” review.
Jay Clark
August 13, 2024 - 7:00PM
Melbourne great David Schwarz has called for a full-scale review of the Demons “from the top down” in the wake of bombshell revelations Christian Petracca was weighing up his future at the club.

Schwarz, who played 173 games, said the club’s lack of finals success since the 2021 premiership combined with the trade speculation surrounding superstar midfielders Petracca, Jack Viney and Clayton Oliver was a massive concern.
And with finals out of reach fans have turned off in recent weeks, with only 16,246 and 17,867 people attending their last two Saturday night losses to interstate teams at the MCG.

Schwarz said Melbourne’s on-field results have been “bewildering” in recent years and was dismayed by the suggestion Petracca was disgruntled after playing on with life-threatening internal injuries in Round 14.
The 1999 best-and-fairest winner said the handling of Petracca’s injuries in his last match of the season against Collingwood, including a ruptured spleen, lacerated lung and four broken ribs, was a “debacle”.

“When your best player wants out, alarm bells should be going off,” Schwarz said.
“And it just highlights what the supporters have been saying because for all the talent at their disposal there has been error after error.

“It has been a pretty steep (decline) because we have had straight sets finals exits and now we are going to miss (finals) this year, and considering the cattle we have got — my God.
“But the culture off the field is the most important thing.

“And if your culture is not right and blokes are pulling in different directions it has got to be fixed straight away, otherwise it is going to fester. Clearly it is festering.

“There is infighting and it is not a happy place at the moment, clearly, because they (Petracca and Viney) are more than the fabric, they are the heartbeat of the club.”

North Melbourne has made a strong play for Viney, whose father, Todd, works at the Kangaroos as a highly-respected football manager. The Kangaroos are believed to be preparing a lucrative offer and major leadership and onball roles in a bid to land Viney. The Demons remain confident of signing Viney to a contract extension and on Tuesday shut down any prospect of trading Petracca.

In any case, a trade deal for Petracca, 28, appears to be near impossible as the Demons would ask for a massive bounty in return for the man who remains contracted for five more years on more than $1 million a seasonOliver, who endured personal problems in the off-season and took time away from the club, has struggled with a hand issue this year and polled 10 AFL Coaches’ Association votes, ranked 10th at the Dees this year.

While Melbourne on Tuesday confirmed it was assessing the football department in the wake of a disappointing 2024 season, Schwarz said the whole club should be put under the microscope.

“There should be a full review from the top down,” Schwarz said.
“When you are winning flags everyone is front and centre, but when you need people to stand up and show leadership it is just not there. “I know (CEO) Gary Pert put out a letter, but it was pretty wishy washy and said nothing. “The whole Christian Petracca debacle going back on (the field while injured) there is just clearly something not right there.”

The Demons have sunk to 13th spot on the ladder with 10 wins from 21 games this year, but have lost Andrew Brayshaw to concussion, and traded out Brodie Grundy after one season at the club last year.
Simon Goodwin’s men travel to Gold Coast to take on the Suns on Saturday followed by a Round 24 clash against Collingwood on Friday night at the MCG to finish the season.
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I think if Viney leaves that’s bigger than Petracca leaving.
 
sam_e said:

David Schwarz wants ‘top to bottom’ review at Melbourne as stars continue to be linked with moves​

Stars linked with moves. Claims of infighting and festering culture problems. One Demons great says he’s had enough and wants the club to launch a “top to bottom” review.
Jay Clark
August 13, 2024 - 7:00PM

Melbourne great David Schwarz has called for a full-scale review of the Demons “from the top down” in the wake of bombshell revelations Christian Petracca was weighing up his future at the club.

Schwarz, who played 173 games, said the club’s lack of finals success since the 2021 premiership combined with the trade speculation surrounding superstar midfielders Petracca, Jack Viney and Clayton Oliver was a massive concern.
And with finals out of reach fans have turned off in recent weeks, with only 16,246 and 17,867 people attending their last two Saturday night losses to interstate teams at the MCG.

Schwarz said Melbourne’s on-field results have been “bewildering” in recent years and was dismayed by the suggestion Petracca was disgruntled after playing on with life-threatening internal injuries in Round 14.
The 1999 best-and-fairest winner said the handling of Petracca’s injuries in his last match of the season against Collingwood, including a ruptured spleen, lacerated lung and four broken ribs, was a “debacle”.

“When your best player wants out, alarm bells should be going off,” Schwarz said.
“And it just highlights what the supporters have been saying because for all the talent at their disposal there has been error after error.

“It has been a pretty steep (decline) because we have had straight sets finals exits and now we are going to miss (finals) this year, and considering the cattle we have got — my God.
“But the culture off the field is the most important thing.

“And if your culture is not right and blokes are pulling in different directions it has got to be fixed straight away, otherwise it is going to fester. Clearly it is festering.

“There is infighting and it is not a happy place at the moment, clearly, because they (Petracca and Viney) are more than the fabric, they are the heartbeat of the club.”

North Melbourne has made a strong play for Viney, whose father, Todd, works at the Kangaroos as a highly-respected football manager. The Kangaroos are believed to be preparing a lucrative offer and major leadership and onball roles in a bid to land Viney. The Demons remain confident of signing Viney to a contract extension and on Tuesday shut down any prospect of trading Petracca.

In any case, a trade deal for Petracca, 28, appears to be near impossible as the Demons would ask for a massive bounty in return for the man who remains contracted for five more years on more than $1 million a seasonOliver, who endured personal problems in the off-season and took time away from the club, has struggled with a hand issue this year and polled 10 AFL Coaches’ Association votes, ranked 10th at the Dees this year.

While Melbourne on Tuesday confirmed it was assessing the football department in the wake of a disappointing 2024 season, Schwarz said the whole club should be put under the microscope.

“There should be a full review from the top down,” Schwarz said.
“When you are winning flags everyone is front and centre, but when you need people to stand up and show leadership it is just not there. “I know (CEO) Gary Pert put out a letter, but it was pretty wishy washy and said nothing. “The whole Christian Petracca debacle going back on (the field while injured) there is just clearly something not right there.”

The Demons have sunk to 13th spot on the ladder with 10 wins from 21 games this year, but have lost Andrew Brayshaw to concussion, and traded out Brodie Grundy after one season at the club last year.
Simon Goodwin’s men travel to Gold Coast to take on the Suns on Saturday followed by a Round 24 clash against Collingwood on Friday night at the MCG to finish the season.
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Every situation is unique, but in general IMO …

- If disgruntlement of a long term player becomes public, it’s not because they’ve had a bad day, or decided they want to move on now. It’s because they’ve been wanting to move on for 6 months or even longer.

- Ignore the public reasons for the disgruntlement. They’re just alibis, things they can talk about to justify their position. You’ll never hear a player say “I want out ‘cause a bunch of team-mates are coke heads and my line coach is a drop kick” but that doesn’t mean that it’s not happening. Remember, in the immediate aftermath of Petracca’s incident he defended the club / doctors actions. What has changed?

- Players like Petracca and Viney would have a lot of clout in their footy club. But do they have the type of clout to force the kind of change needed to make them want to stay? Who knows. And can that change be identified and actioned in the short amount of time until we hit trade period? Unlikely I would I have thought, but who knows?

- If Petracca doesn’t want to stay, he won’t be forced to stay. Contract or no contract. Irrespective of what Melbourne FC want.
 

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