Our Defense

[Koutafidamidis]

I was wondering what the general consensus on our defense is?

I think most people would say they are happy with it and our defenders are doing well,

If we look at scoring shots against from the amount of inside 50's we concede, it is interesting.

V Brisbane Lions 49 inside 50's for 28 scoring shots against (we had 60 inside 50's for 26 scoring shots)
V Adelaide Crows 54 inside 50's for 26 scoring shots against (we had 50 inside 50's for 21 scoring shots)
V StKilda 46 inside 50's for 24 scoring shots against (we had 59 inside 50's for 26 scoring shots)
V Collingwood 54 inside 50's for 34 scoring shots against (we had 40 inside 50's for 20 scoring shots)
V West Coast 59 inside 50's for 29 scoring shots against (we had 53 inside 50's for 22 scoring shots)

That's all for now, I think we have to shore up our defense and we will be straight back up the ladder,
We seem to concede a lot of scores against from inside 50s

thoughts?

 

[zeeCFC]

It comes in with no pressure from the midfield too often usually because of a turn over.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I would suggest it is interesting that you use Carltons forward 50 group as the comparison (your test of an oppositions comparable defense is our ability to convert from a forward 50 entry.

I would think it is widely believed that our team sometimes adopt a kick and hope to a loose third man in defense....which means our inside 50 conversion is lower than the league average (the stats may prove me wrong on this front, but that's what I would expect).

I think a better analysis would be to look at how our defense has gone relative to that teams average.

 

[Koutafidamidis]

I would suggest it is interesting that you use Carltons forward 50 group as the comparison (your test of an oppositions comparable defense is our ability to convert from a forward 50 entry.

I would think it is widely believed that our team sometimes adopt a kick and hope to a loose third man in defense....which means our inside 50 conversion is lower than the league average (the stats may prove me wrong on this front, but that's what I would expect).

I think a better analysis would be to look at how our defense has gone relative to that teams average.

I more put them in as a quick guide to the game,

 

[LanceRomance]

I wasn't present your honour

 

[slashin_velvet]

I more put them in as a quick guide to the game,

An interesting note is that every game you have listed - our opposition had more inside 50's than their average would suggest - which leads to thinking our midfield defensive pressure is behind other teams in the league.

 

[Koutafidamidis]

An interesting note is that every game you have listed - our opposition had more inside 50's than their average would suggest - which leads to thinking our midfield defensive pressure is behind other teams in the league.

It may well be that,

I came up with it while i was watching a replay and I thought, gee we have to work hard to score but when the opposition goes into our defensive 50 they score every time nearly....


an interesting side note, I only took the data from our recent winning streak (of sorts)

I wonder what the first 4 games look like

 

[El Topo]

Shitty mid/forward pressure aside, Jamo and 2E both having substandard years has really hurt us. We need to look elsewhere if we want to build a top 4 defence, as Jamo has already peaked and his body probably isn't up to it. I look at Rowe and White and think that Mick has picked up on this, which begs the further question: what's the plan for Watson?

 

[fnm_just a man]

I was wondering what the general consensus on our defense is?

That's all for now, I think we have to shore up our defense and we will be straight back up the ladder,
We seem to concede a lot of scores against from inside 50s

thoughts?

[This space to be filled by Ray Stokes' catchphrase]

 

[LordLucifer]

We need to look elsewhere if we want to build a top 4 defence, as Jamo has already peaked and his body probably isn't up to it.

Jamison has just signed a new three-year contract which does seem a tad longer than necessary. However, he is certainly part of the defensive unit for this year and next as the club recruits more options on the list.

B: Buckley, Jamison, White
HB: Docherty, Henderson, Yarran

This is a reasonable set-up and one that could work well for future. Just need to find some solid back-up in case of injury, suspension or poor form as well as having an eye on succession planning for when Jamison retires soon.

 

[Koutafidamidis]

Jamison has just signed a new three-year contract which does seem a tad longer than necessary. However, he is certainly part of the defensive unit for this year and next as the club recruits more options on the list.

B: Buckley, Jamison, White
HB: Docherty, Henderson, Yarran

This is a reasonable set-up and one that could work well for future. Just need to find some solid back-up in case of injury, suspension or poor form as well as having an eye on succession planning for when Jamison retires soon.

yep that looks pretty good!

 

[zeeCFC]

The problem with Yarran at half back is any side will put him to full back where his run and carry is taken out of the game.

 

[LanceRomance]

The problem with Yarran at half back is any side will put him to full back where his run and carry is taken out of the game.

And his marks don't count.

 

[steveo898]

I know we haven't got much big guys up forward but I'm starting to think we should put Hendo back in defense just cause he is so good in the backline. At least then we can have a solid defense which really is what Micks gameplan is based on.

 

[Koutafidamidis]

The problem with Yarran at half back is any side will put him to full back where his run and carry is taken out of the game.

Put someones else on Yarrans man

He usually has a defensive forward on him anyway

its up to us where our players play

 

[zeeCFC]

I know we haven't got much big guys up forward but I'm starting to think we should put Hendo back in defense just cause he is so good in the backline. At least then we can have a solid defense which really is what Micks gameplan is based on.

Henderson needs to stay forward...Rowe is in good form and Waite is not reliable/at the end of his career.

We need a more reliable and dangerous forward around Henderson (when he's fit).

CHBs are easier to manufacture than CHFs

 

[mediumsizered]

It may well be that,

I came up with it while i was watching a replay and I thought, gee we have to work hard to score but when the opposition goes into our defensive 50 they score every time nearly....


an interesting side note, I only took the data from our recent winning streak (of sorts)

I wonder what the first 4 games look like

The opposition's F50 consistently is less crowded than what ours is. You wouldn't want to be a defender in the modern game if your mids & even some of your half forwards aren't getting back inside your defensive 50 to fill holes.

Work rate is what it is all about & ours is questionable at times.

 

[prisoner777]

The problem with Yarran at half back is any side will put him to full back where his run and carry is taken out of the game.

I agree. Strategically you understand the operational efficiency of using Yarran in the half back - full back corridor but his run and carry game is of greater importance to the team in the medium to long term.

 

[Dramoth]

Shitty mid/forward pressure aside, Jamo and 2E both having substandard years has really hurt us. We need to look elsewhere if we want to build a top 4 defence, as Jamo has already peaked and his body probably isn't up to it. I look at Rowe and White and think that Mick has picked up on this, which begs the further question: what's the plan for Watson?

A further 12 months playing in the bullants acting as cover for one of Rowe/Jamison before hopefully starting more games in the seniors next as a replacement for Jamison.

 

[Koutafidamidis]

I'd like to hope that as he adjusts and he gets used to AFL, Rowe will improve,

as mentioned earlier, He is almost in the top 3 defenders on on one in a contest or at spoiling, It's when it hits the deck or he has to make a quick decision that lets him down

 

[Dramoth]

I'd like to hope that as he adjusts and he gets used to AFL, Rowe will improve,

as mentioned earlier, He is almost in the top 3 defenders on on one in a contest or at spoiling, It's when it hits the deck or he has to make a quick decision that lets him down

Considering that it is basically his first season playing as a KPD, he is going ok... give him another season and we should see a polished defender emerge.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

... which begs the further question: what's the plan for Watson?

Trade/Delist. He's simply too slow.

Another monumental blunder from our recruiting team. My heart went through the floor when we he called his name instead of Darling, who I thought was a no-brainer for us given the state of our list.

 

[LanceRomance]

Trade/Delist. He's simply too slow.

Another monumental blunder from our recruiting team. My heart went through the floor when we he called his name instead of Darling, who I thought was a no-brainer for us given the state of our list.

At the time, i don't think Darling was the right fit for the blues.... and the other way around. Culturally

 

[gbatman]

Our defence is fine, a few guys that aren't doing enough and playing below themselves like Jamison and Tuohy but it's been going well. Jamison can't run at all, slow and unfit. Same goes for Tuohy. Two guys who are just doing enough and nothing more. Pretty happy with White, Walker, Yarran, Rowe and Buckley. Hope to see Rowe tidy up on his ball handling a bit though.

Our forward line is what's been letting us down lately.

Henderson - plays one good game per month.
Waite - can't run any more, not taking marks or kicking goals.
Casboult - Not kicking goals, goes missing too much, playing ok though.
Garlett - Been ordinary and lazy all year. Played some very soft games.
Menzel - has really good patches but goes missing a fair bit.
Robinson - not kicking goals, not doing much at all.
Thomas - playing some ok footy but not anything to worry about.
Ellard - just going ok, contributing.

Our kicking to out forwards could be better but it's our forward line that is not pulling it's weight.

 

[gbatman]

Shitty mid/forward pressure aside, Jamo and 2E both having substandard years has really hurt us. We need to look elsewhere if we want to build a top 4 defence, as Jamo has already peaked and his body probably isn't up to it. I look at Rowe and White and think that Mick has picked up on this, which begs the further question: what's the plan for Watson?

Watson, any player who is fit and been on a list for 4 years and still not getting a game in an average team is in trouble. Lack of key position player depth is all that will save him from being delisted (that and maybe contract, not sure what that is). Slow player, short reach, tends to be a bit of a spectator and doesn't really get physically involved, seems to struggle to defend against decent opposition. I've always felt we aught to turn him into a forward because I just don't see him making it in defence.