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Sure Mr Walls may have achieved success at Carlton...
But to call him a club great is a bit rich!!!
Are you kidding me?
He's a club great based on his playing career alone let alone the fact that he coached us to a premiership (should've really won more with that team but that's another story).
S*** answer.
thylacine60
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Sure Mr Walls may have achieved success at Carlton...
But to call him a club great is a bit rich!!!
Do your research, watch some of his games (particularly the finals) talk to people who saw him play or STFU. Our greatest CHF behind Sticks after starting his career in the backline as a 16 year old. Couldn't give a rats what you think of his opinion but you might want to question your facts before questioning Robbie Walls reputation at YOUR club.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! He had a fantastic record but if you look at his finals performances you will find he lifted a notch again
Is it wrong to hate Robert Walls the commentator?
thylacine60
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No question you can question his questioning of the club in particular our questionable team selections or whether players go hard enough when the question is asked of them. Hope that answers your question.
My main gripe with Walls the commentator is that he appears to watch games with a predetermined opinion of certain players, and despite all contrary evidence, will continue to praise/denigrate a player regardless of their actual performance.
For example, you can tell that he despises Jordan Russell. Yesterday he contemptuously spat out the words "that Russell fella..." after JR went to ground too easily in a contest. He was correct that JR made a mistake, but you almost got the impression that Walls was hoping he would fail. He eventually praised JR for some of his work, but the resentment was still unmistakable...
He also thinks Wiggins isn't up to it, and despite a brilliant year, has been constantly on his back about his goal-kicking (or lack thereof). Sure, Walls has a point, but to overlook Wiggo's kamikaze attack on the footy, excellent defensive pressure and tireless presentation to the ball in what really has been an outstanding year kind of gets annoying.
And yes, what the **** was he talking about bagging Fev's grip? I didn't hear Walls saying anything bad about it last year, when Fev kicked 99 goals. It is reactionary and downright ridiculous to apportion blame for Fev's inaccuracy to his grip (heel injury anyone?).
Finally, I also take issue with Walls for having a go at Grant Thomas, after Thomas accused Josh Fraser of "dogging it". Walls' justification was that Thomas had no right to criticise Fraser, as Thomas had been a soft footballer who "dogged it" himself. Walls then proceeded to pen a nice article describing one occasion when he himself dogged it, and how it haunted him for the rest of the game and he swore never to do it again.
However, just last week v the Bulldogs, Walls was up in arms and abusing Bret Thornton for "ducking his head", football's most infamous of cardinal sin. If Walls, a self-confessed one-time squib, is allowed to call Thornton's courage into question, then why should Grant Thomas not be afforded that same right? Thomas was simply calling it as he saw it, and I thought that it was pretty unfair of Walls to take a 'holier than thou' approach to the whole situation when he has clearly been guilty of exactly the same thing. Hypocrisy at its finest...
Having said all that, he is without doubt a great of our club, and played some pretty inspired finals football for us. Love the bloke for his commitment to the Carlton Football Club, just think that his commentary needs a tiny bit of tweaking...
For example, you can tell that he despises Jordan Russell. Yesterday he contemptuously spat out the words "that Russell fella..." after JR went to ground too easily in a contest. He was correct that JR made a mistake, but you almost got the impression that Walls was hoping he would fail. He eventually praised JR for some of his work, but the resentment was still unmistakable...
He also thinks Wiggins isn't up to it, and despite a brilliant year, has been constantly on his back about his goal-kicking (or lack thereof). Sure, Walls has a point, but to overlook Wiggo's kamikaze attack on the footy, excellent defensive pressure and tireless presentation to the ball in what really has been an outstanding year kind of gets annoying.
And yes, what the **** was he talking about bagging Fev's grip? I didn't hear Walls saying anything bad about it last year, when Fev kicked 99 goals. It is reactionary and downright ridiculous to apportion blame for Fev's inaccuracy to his grip (heel injury anyone?).
Finally, I also take issue with Walls for having a go at Grant Thomas, after Thomas accused Josh Fraser of "dogging it". Walls' justification was that Thomas had no right to criticise Fraser, as Thomas had been a soft footballer who "dogged it" himself. Walls then proceeded to pen a nice article describing one occasion when he himself dogged it, and how it haunted him for the rest of the game and he swore never to do it again.
However, just last week v the Bulldogs, Walls was up in arms and abusing Bret Thornton for "ducking his head", football's most infamous of cardinal sin. If Walls, a self-confessed one-time squib, is allowed to call Thornton's courage into question, then why should Grant Thomas not be afforded that same right? Thomas was simply calling it as he saw it, and I thought that it was pretty unfair of Walls to take a 'holier than thou' approach to the whole situation when he has clearly been guilty of exactly the same thing. Hypocrisy at its finest...
Having said all that, he is without doubt a great of our club, and played some pretty inspired finals football for us. Love the bloke for his commitment to the Carlton Football Club, just think that his commentary needs a tiny bit of tweaking...
I think when Walls said their worst 6 are better than our worst 6 he wasn't necessarily saying that our those 6 players were terrible and needed delisting. He was just saying that obviously Hawthorns were of a higher standard at the moment. These are the areas that we need to tighten over the next few years.
Its NOT saying, "ok delist the 6 crappest players you can think of from Saturday."
Its NOT saying, "ok delist the 6 crappest players you can think of from Saturday."
For crying out loud, why doesn't everyone just take a bex and have lie down. We lost by 4 points the last year's Premiers after being 25 points down with about 10 minutes to go ( a 73 point improvement on our last effort against Hawthorn). If Fev's kick is one inch to the left we win the game. So a few blokes were down, so were a lot of the Hawthorn players. The Game was played under immense pressure, something a lot of our blokes are not used to. What the game proved was that we can mix it with the big boys. Forget about Walls he is just filling up space in the paper. Let's see where we are in about another 10 games, that will tell us how we are traveling.
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HeziBarecket
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Yes I think this was Wallsy's point. It's not acceptable that guys who have played 60+ games still can't handle the pressure and skills against a top 4 team.
WIGGO and CLOKE were perfect examples, SETANTA, RUSSEL, HOULA should also be up there as well. These culprits always go missing and are necessary to make an ordinary team a really good one.
Otherwise you get into 'Richmondness' where you have ordinary players that are never accountable and you are crap for 25 years!
Firstly I don't think Walls was talking about the bottom 6 from that game in particular. He has brought upthe same thing in the past, he refers to our depth and how are bottom 6 rarely matches that of the higher ranked teams. I think that this really showed in the Hawks game.
I used to think that Cloke was the next big thing but he seems to be going backwards. In my opinion Armfield is improving rapidly with every game,to anyone calling for him to be dropped, have a look at footage. Setanta has matured and he has impressed me in the last fortnight. Sorry but Bentley should never had been chosen at this stage as there are others in the 2s more ready than he. AJ is improving and now would be ridiculous to drop him. Lastly I don't dare diss Russell here on BF.
I used to think that Cloke was the next big thing but he seems to be going backwards. In my opinion Armfield is improving rapidly with every game,to anyone calling for him to be dropped, have a look at footage. Setanta has matured and he has impressed me in the last fortnight. Sorry but Bentley should never had been chosen at this stage as there are others in the 2s more ready than he. AJ is improving and now would be ridiculous to drop him. Lastly I don't dare diss Russell here on BF.
Blue_Skies_Ahead
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You talk facts whilst making assumptions on my knowledge...
So how about you STFU?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm just voicing mine...
I never said he was not successfull...
I never said he was shithouse...
I just disagreed with your point that he is a Carlton great!
barnesy_78
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Agree with most of these - however I still have a place in the squad for Thornton and Armfleid, maybe not in the best 22!
But what amazes me still is; how does Houlihan escape these lists - Have you ever seen a softer approach to the game of football than Houlihans' effort in the 5 mins on the HB flank - he SHOULD never be allowed to play any where near the backline - He actually should never be allowed to play seniors! Yeah he has great skills and usually bobs up with a goal or two - but I am confident in saying that he defensive efforts alone are the cause of 3-5 goals to the team every week, evening when he is playing forward!!
Ps. can Clokes’ name be put on this list twice. Can’t wait for Warnock to play so we can put Kruzuer at CHF and Warnock in the ruck. Rotating with Hampson or Jacobs – who evers better at the time! Cloke sorry mate you aren't a footballer - maybe try soccer you can use your head (a poor attempt for a mark in the last quarter) in that game!!
Bentley - Ratten seriously stop joking around - please can this joke stop next week!!!!
thylacine60
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You talk facts whilst making assumptions on my knowledge...
So how about you STFU?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm just voicing mine...
I never said he was not successfull...
I never said he was shithouse...
I just disagreed with your point that he is a Carlton great!
Name some Carlton greats from his era and your reasons for doing so. Be fascinated on your parameters. Zero clue.
http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Robert+Walls
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Yes he's obviously a F******** because he should say a lot more positive things about our players because we have been so good for the last 7 or 8 years how dare he criticise anyone it's fine to finish around 15th or 16th all is well and nothing needs changing. Perhaps some medals or MBE's are in order for those that played in last year's team as we rose up to 10th.
Now the truth - he is a Carlton person and he wants us to do better - he'll call it as he sees it. He's on our side, same as you and I.
Bluebear
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Hanging in there on Walker? Nice of you.
If you search some threads going back to 2007 you'll find a heap calling for Walker to be dropped due to his disposal, and a number saying he won't be in our next premiership side.
Since then all he has done is injure his shoulder and have three operations, none of which will fix his kicking. Maybe he will be better, but maybe he won't. Wouldn't count him in until he can actually play a season of senior footy without breaking something.
Any reason why you don't like Army?
His disposal has improved a lot, and would be on a apr with Walkers from two years ago. Speed wise probably not a lot in it.
Walker jumps for more pack marks........Armfield probably hangs onto more marks.
Warnock will come in and one of O'hAilpin and Cloke will go out. ATM Carlos is doing more than Cloke, and has the added benefit of being able to play ruck, forward and back.
Thornton potentially could be replaced by someone new, and that someone may be Austin, but the MC would want to see the disposal and decision making of Waite and Bower improve before they drop him.
Agreed. Hadley this week, Robbo for Wiggins hopefully by the end of the year.
Why would you replace Russ with Yarran? A defensive forward with an attacking one?
Any reason why AJ should go?
Has done great jobs on small defenders this year, and yes, has been inconsistent, but not enough to be dropped. I like Browne, but I don't think he will push AJ out just yet. Certainly in contention for the spot though.
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couple of things.
First, i agree with Wallsy's comments. Our bottom 6 players dont contribute or give as much to the side as what Geelong,Hawthorn's & StKilda's do. They go missing between games.This is something that we will have to work on to be a threat. Raising the bar.....that comes with depth more is expected of you to hold your spot + younger guys grow and gain more experience. When we have more players competing for each position the bar will raise.
Secondly, To label Joseph within this group is ridiculos. He has played a handful of games, been given some big jobs and done them well. It should be about those that have the games under their belt & the experience that go missing every second week. Down hill shiers.....they look great when we're winning then MIA when the heat is on. Cloke is as useless as **** on a bloke.
Lastly, Some of the crap that has been said of Robert Walls just shows either your age or your inability to actually watch football. Only a dead set ******** would think he is not a club great. He has contibuted enough both as a player and coach and was in the CARLTON TEAM OF THE CENTURY. Research your clubs past before you post utter dribble.
First, i agree with Wallsy's comments. Our bottom 6 players dont contribute or give as much to the side as what Geelong,Hawthorn's & StKilda's do. They go missing between games.This is something that we will have to work on to be a threat. Raising the bar.....that comes with depth more is expected of you to hold your spot + younger guys grow and gain more experience. When we have more players competing for each position the bar will raise.
Secondly, To label Joseph within this group is ridiculos. He has played a handful of games, been given some big jobs and done them well. It should be about those that have the games under their belt & the experience that go missing every second week. Down hill shiers.....they look great when we're winning then MIA when the heat is on. Cloke is as useless as **** on a bloke.
Lastly, Some of the crap that has been said of Robert Walls just shows either your age or your inability to actually watch football. Only a dead set ******** would think he is not a club great. He has contibuted enough both as a player and coach and was in the CARLTON TEAM OF THE CENTURY. Research your clubs past before you post utter dribble.
To put an end to this thred, the following is our best 22. No if's or but's.
B: Carrazzo Jamison Bower
HB: Scotland Thornton Stevens
C: Simpson Gibbs Grigg
HF: Walker Waite Houlihan
F: Betts Fevola Cloke
R: Kreuzer Judd Murphy
INT: Wiggins Russell Warnock Hadley
EMG: Joseph Armfield Jacobs
B: Carrazzo Jamison Bower
HB: Scotland Thornton Stevens
C: Simpson Gibbs Grigg
HF: Walker Waite Houlihan
F: Betts Fevola Cloke
R: Kreuzer Judd Murphy
INT: Wiggins Russell Warnock Hadley
EMG: Joseph Armfield Jacobs
1. Walls is right about our bottom 6 being a long way off Geelong/Hawthorn/St Kilda, but thats hardly earth-shatteringly insightful stuff
2. Him being a great Carlton player and premiership coach should have no influence on people's opinion of him in the media and calling it as it is
2. Him being a great Carlton player and premiership coach should have no influence on people's opinion of him in the media and calling it as it is
bently has no right to be playing in the carlton first team, had a shocker on the weekend just didnt look up to the occasion. Cloke looked like he was worrying about something other then footy. Just looked absolutely out of it.
And for those who are saying armfield to be dropped? No Way, he gives 110 % everygame runs his heart out attempts to break the lines (Fev miss) and does all the 1%ers (Smother)
And for those who are saying armfield to be dropped? No Way, he gives 110 % everygame runs his heart out attempts to break the lines (Fev miss) and does all the 1%ers (Smother)
Well actually Bentley DID have the right to be playing in the first team - the MC selected him and he took the right and ran out with the rest of the team. I think we'd not of done so well with only 21.
Yes he made mistakes and he didn't look as good as some of those out there that have previous experience. Did you expect him to get the 3 Brownlow votes? You've got to start somewhere.
Mmmm I noticed that too. And I do not agree with all the Cloke bashing that's happening. He had a shocker yes but every other game of his this year has been great.
Also the same with Wiggins. He has been fantastic this year! I didn't see him do anything bad on the weekend, it was more he just didn't have to do so much with Fev carving up. May I direct you to http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25400807-19762,00.html.
Lastly I just have to say yes setanta is not a premiership player but gee, there's nothing better than seeing him goal!
Dominator68
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There have been a lot of very ordinary players who have been in Premiership teams. I think these 6 are better than some of those. Look at our 1995 side - Hoggy was a trier but no superstar. Brad Pearce had a good year but did nothing after that.
I recon Joseph for Grigg, he seems to be forgotten but he had a great pre season hes just missing with injuys.
I also wouldnt put Throton in our bottom 6. He is a good player he just had a bad game. I do however think that he Austin will be a good player we just need to put some games into him.
I do agree that we need to draft a CHF as it is a very week area in our team.
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