Paddy Ryder bump on Will Day

[PJays]

Thinking through this Paddy Ryder and Will Day

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incident.

I can understand why they want to outlaw this, to protect the head. It seems to align with increasing understanding around concussion and community sentiment. Ryder could've chosen not to bump. He chose to bump and the final result was a concussion to his opponent.

On the other hand, they're trying to remove or minimise the bump. We risk losing something unique and exciting about AFL footy. This is a contact sport, it's not touch footy. There will always be a small element of risk.

I expected Ryder to get a week. 2 weeks surprised me. St Kilda may yet challenge it.

The charge was rough conduct, careless, high impact, high contact.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Xtreme]

Thinking through this Paddy Ryder and Will Day incident.

I can understand why they want to outlaw this, to protect the head. It seems to align with increasing understanding around concussion and community sentiment. Ryder could've chosen not to bump. He chose to bump and the final result was a concussion to his opponent.

On the other hand, they're trying to remove or minimise the bump. We risk losing something unique and exciting about AFL footy. This is a contact sport, it's not touch footy. There will always be a small element of risk.

I expected Ryder to get a week. 2 weeks surprised me.

The charge was rough conduct, careless, high impact, high contact.

What are your thoughts?

Ryder needs to learn to pick on someone his own size!!

 

[bzparkes]

Ryder needs to learn to pick on someone his own size!!

Straight out of the Naitanui playbook.

Needed to calculate height/weight differential before standing in his way.

I suggest trainers have calculators/textbooks handy, so that they can quickly whip them out for the big guys to assess the impact of a potential tackle, or bump, before committing to it.

 

[grugyeah]

It's probably a week, however, given that the concussion rule is now a 12 day break from playing, the penalty should probably reflect that, which would obviously make it a minimum two week penalty for all instances like this.

 

[DT_35]

Laughable. Not even any contact to the head and Ryder stationary on impact.

Yet worse bumps get off.
Yet players who intentionally whack opponents behind the ball (Ben Brown

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1 week for an intentional elbow to the head LOLOL)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Tricky one but the ball was way past Day when he chose to bump. There was high contact via whiplash. I fee for Ryder but you can't be bumping causing blokes to be subbed out.

Thought 1 week was about right but 2 weeks doesn't surprise me

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

Ryder is a w***er, but don't think it was worth a suspension.

 

[Antzzz]

good to see the Saints challenge this bullshit …. Take note AFL …. It’s Footy not Netball ….

 

[LukeParkerno1]

good to see the Saints challenge this bullshit …. Take note AFL …. It’s Footy not Netball ….

Doubt he'll get off can see this a mile away

 

[Antzzz]

Doubt he'll get off can see this a mile away

You’re probably right … but it’s getting beyond a joke now

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You’re probably right … but it’s getting beyond a joke now

They were hardly happy about the Rioli one

 

[kozi]

Think they've lost the plot here personally. He's slowed down and is completely stationary at the point of impact. Day runs into him and contact is made shoulder to chest. Yeah the decision is based on the resulting concussion, however we're at the point now where a player can be rubbed out for nothing more than protecting themselves against a player who's about to crash into them.

 

[Present Not Past]

What if Ryder had been injured by not bracing for contact from Will Day

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running into him?
Have the geniuses from AFL contemplated that?
Seems like Ryder has been penalised for using common sense.

 

[Antzzz]

What if Ryder had been injured by not bracing for contact from Will Day running into him?
Have the geniuses from AFL contemplated that?
Seems like Ryder has been penalised for using common sense.

I’m convinced they want a basketball type game … up and back scoring … then a shoot out in the last quarter

 

[kozi]

I’m convinced they want a basketball type game … up and back scoring … then a shoot out in the last quarter

What's funny is if this was basketball Day would have been whistled for a charge and possession given to Ryder's team.

No such thing as a player getting penalised for stopping/standing still and bracing for contact. Onus is on the moving player not crash into them. If they do and get injured bad luck and have half a brain next time.

If the exact same incident in basketball isn't an issue then what exactly are we doing here. The focus needs to move past the AFL trying to make the game soft and onto the deeper issue which is them being completely bereft of common sense when making rules and handing down sanctions.

 

[PJays]

What's funny is if this was basketball Day would have been whistled for a charge and possession given to Ryder's team.

No such thing as a player getting penalised for stopping/standing still and bracing for contact. Onus is on the moving player not crash into them. If they do and get injured bad luck and have half a brain next time.

If the exact same incident in basketball isn't an issue then what exactly are we doing here. The focus needs to move past the AFL trying to make the game soft and onto the deeper issue which is them being completely bereft of common sense when making rules and handing down sanctions.

Nonsense

If this is basketball Ryder gets an unsportsmanlike foul for that, minimum. Then probably suspension for rough conduct, just like the AFL situation. The basketball rules require 2 USFs OR USF and Technical for an ejection. So it wouldn't be an ejection, but it would be immediate USF, and report.

The issue is he hip and shouldered Day. That's not a basketball play at all. Basketball has screens, and occasionally a poorly executed screen can result in a play somewhat resembling a side on bump, but they are still fundamentally different actions.

It is a footy play. Bumps occur regularly. But my question is, by penalising a bump like this, will the bump eventually disappear altogether and is that a good thing?

Ultimately though, there is emerging knowledge about concussions, and a never ending list of players whose careers are significantly impacted, or ended, by concussion (at St Kilda Kosi, Stevens, Longer, McCartin, McGuire although his concussion occurred as a Brisbane player. I'm sure there's a few others too). If Ryder doesn't bump, there's likely no concussion.

It's not an easy issue. I think I've settled on one match being an appropriate ban.

But talk of Ryder being stationary or not is a subsidiary of the bigger issue of the fact that he actually bumped a guy which caused whiplash to the head.

Day was kicking the ball and couldn't be sure what Ryder's action would be until he was already in the kicking motion, and he could hardly stop before impact. So talk of Day being to blame is off the mark. The only questions are firstly whether Ryder's action was acceptable, and if not, what is the appropriate penalty?

 

[kozi]

Nonsense

If this is basketball Ryder gets an unsportsmanlike foul for that, minimum. Then probably suspension for rough conduct, just like Ryder.

The issue is he hip and shouldered Day. That's not a basketball play at all. Basketball has screens, and occasionally a poorly executed screen can result in a play somewhat resembling a side on bump, but they are still fundamentally different actions.

It is a footy play. Bumps occur regularly. But my question is, by penalising a bump like this, will the bump eventually disappear altogether and is that a good thing?

Ultimately though, there is emerging knowledge about concussions, and a never ending list of players whose careers are significantly impacted, or ended, by concussion (at St Kilda Kosi, Stevens, Longer, McCartin, McGuire although his concussion occurred as a Brisbane player. I'm sure there's a few others too). If Ryder doesn't bump, there's likely no concussion.

It's not an easy issue. I think I've settled on one match being an appropriate ban.

But talk of Ryder being stationary or not is a subsidiary of the bigger issue of the fact that he actually bumped a guy which caused whiplash to the head.

Basketball uses common sense and does not penalise players who have stopped/are stationary and brace for contact.

 

[PJays]

Basketball uses common sense and does not penalise players who have stopped/are stationary and brace for contact.

Mate, quit while you're behind.

I've been playing basketball for over 25 years, played high level juniors, coached a bit too. Watch plenty of professional basketball.

The idea that Ryder's action was acceptable on a basketball court is laughable.

It simply wasn't even a basketball play. Full stop.

It was a side-on hip and shoulder to a player's chest/head. Hard contact, rough play.

Until relatively recently, this kind of rough play was considered acceptable in footy. That is changing. But it's a footy discussion. There is no need to bring basketball into it.

 

[kozi]

Mate, quit while you're behind.

I've been playing basketball for over 25 years, played high level juniors, coached a bit too. Watch plenty of professional basketball.

The idea that Ryder's action was acceptable on a basketball court is laughable.

It simply wasn't even a basketball play. Full stop.

I'm not questioning your basketball knowledge, more so that you can't see that Ryder hasn't actually done much here.

Strange that a Saints fan would be arguing for him getting suspended. You want Jack Hayes back in?

 

[PJays]

I'm not questioning your basketball knowledge, more so that you can't see that Ryder hasn't actually done much here.

Strange that a Saints fan would be arguing for him getting suspended. You want Jack Hayes back in?

No, I consider Ryder almost our most important player. Certainly top 5.

What he did was hip and shoulder a guy who had just kicked the ball. Which unfortunately, and unforeseeably, caused whiplash to the head and a concussion, and a 12 day break. Unfortunate, unforeseeable. But that's what happened.

That's what he did. It's not complicated. The question is whether his action deserves penalty.

 

[Antzzz]

What's funny is if this was basketball Day would have been whistled for a charge and possession given to Ryder's team.

No such thing as a player getting penalised for stopping/standing still and bracing for contact. Onus is on the moving player not crash into them. If they do and get injured bad luck and have half a brain next time.

If the exact same incident in basketball isn't an issue then what exactly are we doing here. The focus needs to move past the AFL trying to make the game soft and onto the deeper issue which is them being completely bereft of common sense when making rules and handing down sanctions.

Well they make rule changes now without even trialing them in the preseason games …. Complete madness …surely I’m not the only one that thinks what’s happening to the game is wrong……. Full back can now just waltz out 30 metres and clear the backline easily … the very fabric of the game has been manipulated for AFL agenda ….. incorrect disposal has changed … throwing is rampant …. Crazy 50m penalties for who knows what !!! …………..
oh here’s a great idea …. Let’s make the ruckmen …. Mind you the hard men of the game ….put their hand up to nominated to go up in the ruck like little 10 year olds …. It’s a slight on the players intelligence …. All reactionary decisions by the AFL because they want a certain look … I love my footy and would watch most games every week but I’m really struggling to enjoy watching neutral games these days …. I will always watch the Tigers …. But I am concerned about what this game is going to end up like ….or am I turning into that guy that thinks everything was better in my day ….

 

[kozi]

No, I consider Ryder almost our most important player. Certainly top 5.

What he did was hip and shoulder a guy who had just kicked the ball. Which unfortunately, and unforeseeably, caused whiplash to the head and a concussion, and a 12 day break. Unfortunate, unforeseeable. But that's what happened.

That's what he did. It's not complicated. The question is whether this is OK.

Mate he’s stationary at the point of impact and no contact was made to the head. You’re basing everything almost as if he’s actually run through him and flattened him.

The line needs to be drawn when a player has completely stopped and is bracing for impact. It’s distinctly different from a player accelerating into another with a hip and shoulder.

 

[westie]

Ryder is a w***er, but don't think it was worth a suspension.

Seriously?

 

[Antzzz]

No, I consider Ryder almost our most important player. Certainly top 5.

What he did was hip and shoulder a guy who had just kicked the ball. Which unfortunately, and unforeseeably, caused whiplash to the head and a concussion, and a 12 day break. Unfortunate, unforeseeable. But that's what happened.

That's what he did. It's not complicated. The question is whether his action deserves penalty.

No I say he doesnt deserve a penalty…. It’s a contact sport where people are coming from all angles …. But the game Is becoming very different from what it was …, I understand concussion is a serious issue here …. But players can knee someone in the head while taking a high make and cause the same outcome …… so where does it stop ?… we ban that as well … I don’t have the answers … I just feel the game is drifting in a direction where it will fundamental be manufactured entertainment …. That’s my opinion

 

[PJays]

Mate he’s stationary at the point of impact and no contact was made to the head. You’re basing everything almost as if he’s actually run through him and flattened him.

The line needs to be drawn when a player has completely stopped and is bracing for impact. It’s distinctly different from a player accelerating into another with a hip and shoulder.

The nature of the collision itself was still Ryder's fault for 2 reasons

1. Day was kicking the ball and couldn't be sure what Ryder's action would be until he was already in the kicking motion. Day could hardly stop before impact.

2. Ryder chose to bump. To hip and shoulder. To turn his body sideways towards an incoming player, who was in the kicking motion and whose entire body was facing forwards and exposed. He could've tackled instead.