Certified Legendary Thread Patrick Cripps and Ah Chee

[Gift]

How many ruck contests have resulted in a player getting concussed?

Because both are tall it doesnt happen as often but how many knee injuries have occurred? Heaps. Way more than two non ruckmen players jumping and getting concussed. Where do u draw the line at it just being unlucky accidents and changing the game so much it becomes non contact? Its a tough one

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Ruckmen jump and grab it out of the ruck all the time. They arent marking contests.

Jumping in a ruck contest is a standard reasonable acceptable action

Jumping into the back of someone's head in non marking non ruck contest when 2nd to the ball isnt

 

[Micksy]

"Whadda we reckon fellas? Still guilty?"
"Yep!"
"Thought so, now we better wait a few hours to make it look like this whole thing wasn't a waste of time, and job done."

 

[nut]

The longer it goes the smaller Carlton’s soft cap next year?

 

[Gift]

Jumping into the back of someone's head in non marking non ruck contest when 2nd to the ball isnt

Why can you jump and purposefully knee someone in the head to take a mark but you cant jump and try to grab the ball if someones head is near it?

 

[STPer18]

Getting paid by the hour.

 

[Micksy]

Why can you jump and purposefully knee someone in the head to take a mark but you cant jump and try to grab the ball if someones head is near it?

You can, but you have a duty of care.

 

[Gift]

You can, but you have a duty of care.

If accidents arent allowed to happen, then just change the rules and say "due to duty of care" if anyone gets injured then u get weeks.

 

[Rich01]

Because both are tall it doesnt happen as often but how many knee injuries have occurred? Heaps. Way more than two non ruckmen players jumping and getting concussed. Where do u draw the line at it just being unlucky accidents and changing the game so much it becomes non contact? Its a tough one

Yep, concussions just don’t happen in ruck contests. You never see rucks jump late to a contest and impact the head with their body.

So there should be no comparison between the Cripps contest and those that take place with ruckmen.

 

[Micksy]

If accidents arent allowed to happen, then just change the rules and say "due to duty of care" if anyone gets injured then u get weeks.

Why change it when it's already there?

 

[2006_Eagles]

Still shorter than Titanic

 

[spudmaster]

 

[irish]

How bloody hard to say guilty ?

If they let him off the system is shot all about $$$ , should get extra weeks for wasting everyone’s time

 

[windyhill]

How bloody hard to say guilty ?

If they let him off the system is shot all about $$$ , should get extra weeks for wasting everyone’s time

They do it to jockeys. Frivolous protest, wasting everyone’s time.

 

[Gift]

Why change it when it's already there?

Because the panel tries to take a guess at whether the player could do anything different to decide how many weeks they get.

Its pure guesswork in the 50/50 cases.

I get the AFL are trying to get on top of concussions but suspending Cripps isnt changing anything with future concussion incidents. They now making the last two Carlton games and Brownlow count less exciting for fans.

What happened to Ahchee is unfortunate but to me it was an accident. Cripps was just trying to get to every contest to get them the win to make finals in like forever. Hes also a Brownlow chance so no way he would risk getting suspended.

Every player in Cripps situation (one win from finals and Brownlow chance) would have contested that ball unless they were smaller than Ahchee imo.

If the AFL truly care about reducing injuries, then they should just change the rule which means Cripps just wont go for that ball next time and the AFL will be softer but then all players will be safer.

 

[Taylor]

The interesting outcome is if the appeals board decide that Cripps hasn't had a fair hearing at the AFL tribunal due to Gleeson not telling the other two QCs minutiae of football laws.

I'm not sure there is a facility for a player to be sent back to the tribunal to hold another hearing, follow the steps again and then reach the same outcome.

Sort of like if a player is on video punching a guy in the face and is charged with rough conduct, banned for 6 weeks. Takes it to the appeal and says "that isn't rough conduct, Gleeson should have told them the difference between rough conduct and a strike" and the appeals board decide it's a strike - throwing out the six weeks.

I'm not sure they have the capacity to alter a judgement.

 

[2006_Eagles]

 

[theyellowsash]

The longer it goes the smaller Carlton’s soft cap next year?

so youre saying theyll sack voss not because they missed finals, but because they cant pay him anymore?

 

[Sea fog]

The interesting outcome is if the appeals board decide that Cripps hasn't had a fair hearing at the AFL tribunal due to Gleeson not telling the other two QCs minutiae of football laws.

I'm not sure there is a facility for a player to be sent back to the tribunal to hold another hearing, follow the steps again and then reach the same outcome.

Sort of like if a player is on video punching a guy in the face and is charged with rough conduct, banned for 6 weeks. Takes it to the appeal and says "that isn't rough conduct, Gleeson should have told them the difference between rough conduct and a strike" and the appeals board decide it's a strike - throwing out the six weeks.

I'm not sure they have the capacity to alter a judgement.

The thing is a bump is part of rough conduct.

 

[Scythe94]

Looking forward to the Kayo Mini of the decision

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Because the panel tries to take a guess at whether the player could do anything different to decide how many weeks they get.

Its pure guesswork in the 50/50 cases.

I get the AFL are trying to get on top of concussions but suspending Cripps isnt changing anything with future concussion incidents. They now making the last two Carlton games and Brownlow less exciting for fans.

What happened to Ahchee is unfortunate but to me it was an accident. Cripps was just trying to get to every contest to get them the win to make finals in like forever. Hes also a Brownlow chance so no way he would risk getting suspended.

Every player in Cripps situation (one win from finals and Brownlow chance) would have contested that ball unless they were smaller than Ahchee imo.

If the AFL truly care about reducing injuries, then they should just change the rule which means Cripps just wont go for that ball next time and the AFL will be softer but then all players will be safer.

Most other players would have kept their feet and either gone the contested ball bump with their feet planted reducing the risk of hitting the opposition player in the head or gone the tackle once the opposition player possessed the ball

Cripps jumped into the back of AhChee's head with his arm tucked in

 

[Collingwoodity]

The interesting outcome is if the appeals board decide that Cripps hasn't had a fair hearing at the AFL tribunal due to Gleeson not telling the other two QCs minutiae of football laws.

I'm not sure there is a facility for a player to be sent back to the tribunal to hold another hearing, follow the steps again and then reach the same outcome.

Sort of like if a player is on video punching a guy in the face and is charged with rough conduct, banned for 6 weeks. Takes it to the appeal and says "that isn't rough conduct, Gleeson should have told them the difference between rough conduct and a strike" and the appeals board decide it's a strike - throwing out the six weeks.

I'm not sure they have the capacity to alter a judgement.

They allow the appeal, step in the shoes of the tribunal and determine the matter as they believe it should have been but the technicality doesn’t impact the finding of 2 weeks.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

 

[MiguelM]

Is it still going?

A tidy earner for the legal people. Probaby on $500 an hour.

 

[theyellowsash]

Looking forward to the Kayo Mini of the decision

yeah but knowing the way the afl and kayo cut up their replay packages, there will be a couple shots of the lawyers dropping a paper, a picture of the building, someone in the crowd waving at the camera, the judge taking a drink, and then it will cut off right before the verdict is given. all in SD, and it will conveniently freeze halfway and the only way to see the end is to watch the whole thing again including the betting ad at the front