Certified Legendary Thread Patrick Cripps and Ah Chee

[FourthTimeAround]

For the legal buffs and admittedly this source is a Carlton fan and a lawyer provides a good summary of why the appeal was allowed. Basically not presenting the evidence that he was bumping Ah Chee not contesting it so that Cripps lawyer or Cripps could argue against it and then relying on it to reject Cripps appeal was a legal * up by the AFL.

interesting, but how there could be an appeal that successfully argues…. “This intentional such conduct will be deemed to be careless unless this the player was contesting the ball and it was reasonable for the player to contest the ball in that way, or the forceful contact to the head or neck was caused by circumstances outside the control of the player which could not reasonably be foreseen.”
He knew Ah Chee was there, that’s why he jumped. He knew he got there late, that’s why he had time to turn “to contest the ball”. How could this NOT be reasonably be foreseen that he would hit Ah Chee high? Farcical.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

You cant be this dumb. Your claim was that Ah Chee left the ground after Cripps, a still image proves that you were incorrect.
The below is the still image just as Cripps is about to launching off his foot and notice that Ah Chee is already in the air.
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What's wrong with Cripps jumping at the "right time" for the ball?

 

[chriso11]

A whole box then

Don’t be so quick to give them away, you might need them in 2 weeks

 

[Anderson Brown]

Some of the Carlton supporters in here probably still froth at the mouth thinking of that time that Darren Milburn

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"didn't" bump Silvagni.

 

[Roylion]

Correct decision.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

interesting, but how there could be an appeal that successfully argues…. “This intentional such conduct will be deemed to be careless unless this the player was contesting the ball and it was reasonable for the player to contest the ball in that way, or the forceful contact to the head or neck was caused by circumstances outside the control of the player which could not reasonably be foreseen.”
He knew Ah Chee was there, that’s why he jumped. He knew he got there late, that’s why he had time to turn “to contest the ball”. How could this NOT be reasonably be foreseen that he would hit Ah Chee high? Farcical.

 

[JustaBattler]

You cant be this dumb. Your claim was that Ah Chee left the ground after Cripps, a still image proves that you were incorrect.
The below is the still image just as Cripps is about to launching off his foot and notice that Ah Chee is already in the air.
View attachment 1473862

SO? he hasn't taken possession - the ball is still contestable - what did you want Cripps to do stop and blow him a kiss? Read teh Appeal decision - mate - and stop sooking - Cripps should NEVER have been cited in the first place - no surprises thought Mr ex Collingwood playa - has a habit of smashing Carlton players at every opportunity

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Don’t be so quick to give them away, you might need them in 2 weeks

I'm fine with where my club is currently at. And we'll done to yours also

 

[harmesy 37]

Wooooow 5 vs 6. Astronomical difference

Ok .. I’m happy for us to trade your fixture with ours next year.
You can have an extra game in Perth against Fremantle or a game every year in Brisbane.
Glad you agree.

 

[VL3OJ]

The AFL have taken on board the Cripps result and the current standard of the MRO decisions and will deploy a new method next year.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Thanks for posting and of course now you (and everyone else who can read) do understand that the Appeal decision pretty much said that the tribunal was a Kangaroo court and that there was no basis presented during the tribunal hearing that could allow for the Tribunal to make its conclusions in the first place - riiiiight?

Not quite. AFL created a loophole that you can argue that you couldn't contest the ball any other way for when MRO does a oopsy. Then the AFL lawyer left a nice clean hole for Carlton's QC to walk thru. Interesting stuff.

 

[chriso11]

I'm fine with where my club is currently at. And we'll done to yours also

I bet you have a stack of tissue boxes… 25 years worth of them. Kleenex platinum customer!

 

[SBYM]

I am rather confused.

This thread is full of people saying, 'Crippa is a good bloke.' 'Good bloke discount.' 'What a good bloke!'

Now you're all upset!

What gives?!?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

The AFL have taken on board the Cripps result and the current standard of the MRO decisions and will deploy a new method next year.

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Hopefully they come up with one for a drugs policy

 

[SplintWhisky]

What's wrong with Cripps jumping at the "right time" for the ball?

SO? he hasn't taken possession - the ball is still contestable - what did you want Cripps to do stop and blow him a kiss? Read teh Appeal decision - mate - and stop sooking - Cripps should NEVER have been cited in the first place - no surprises thought Mr ex Collingwood playa - has a habit of smashing Carlton players at every opportunity

I'll put both of you in here so I can respond once.

I was refuting the claim made by Stamos where he said that Cripps jumped first and Ah Chee was the second in.

 

[SHill Shall]

Terrible decision for the sport we love.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Wasn't it proven conclusively that Ah Chee's concussion was of a result of him hitting his head hard on the Gabba turf ??

 

[PrinceCharles]

it already happened and Maynard wasn’t afforded the same fate because he isn’t a brownlow favourite and doesn’t wear navy blue

If Cripps is a Brownlow favourite it's been a shocking year for midfielders, he's had maybe 5 good games.

 

[carlton_99]

Wasn't it proven conclusively that Ah Chee's concussion was of a result of him hitting his head hard on the Gabba turf ??

It's irrelevant as any indirect contact following a reportable incident is considered part of that incident. The issue here is that the incident itself was not reportable

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I bet you have a stack of tissue boxes… 25 years worth of them. Kleenex platinum customer!

Wow! The comedian has entered the building. You have me in stitches. Must be a hit with all your friends

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I'll put both of you in here so I can respond once.

I was refuting the claim made by Stamos where he said that Cripps jumped first and Ah Chee was the second in.

Well he got it wrong. Just not to the extent Christian did

 

[adammania9]

Ok .. I’m happy for us to trade your fixture with ours next year.
You can have an extra game in Perth against Fremantle or a game every year in Brisbane.
Glad you agree.

Yes please. Out interstate record has been outstanding for as long as I can remember

 

[Worm4]

Cripps had every opportunity not to take out Ah Chee’s head. There is nothing soft about protecting player’s heads

So just checking your thought process - if Jeremy howe goes for a big mark and comes down in the process and lands on a players head forcing concussion , then he should be suspended for that act ?
Are you saying that he has a duty of care not to land on anyone's head during this contest ?
Concussions happen. You need to move on....

 

[adammania9]

So just checking your thought process - if Jeremy howe goes for a big mark and comes down in the process and lands on a players head forcing concussion , then he should be suspended for that act ?
Are you saying that he has a duty of care not to land on anyone's head during this contest ?
Concussions happen. You need to move on....

If he chooses to go for the head like Cripps, then yes he should be suspended. If you choose to bump, you are responsible for the outcome

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The AFL QC's arguments were some of the stupidest things i've ever heard. Was an obvious decision. Fabric of the game would have been torn if Cripps wasn't freed.