Certified Legendary Thread Patrick Cripps and Ah Chee

[JyeDye]

Cripps got away with murder. But for all you claiming about this setting some sort of precedent that you’re allowed to hit people in the head with no consequences, the only precedent it’s setting is that the AFL need to get better lawyers. Their tribunal chairperson messed up and it cost them. The appeal had nothing to do with Cripps’ actions and all to do with stupid legal terms on how the tribunal jury were unreasonable and resulted in an error of law. Nothing to do with what Cripps did, so no you can’t now just go out and bump someone in the head. You will cop your two weeks and now the AFL know they can’t send some clowns to chairperson the tribunal and instead put someone competent there.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It's a farce really. It's a sporting tribunal that on occasion becomes a plaything for lawyers, without all the rigor of a proper legal system. Farce.

That's exactly the way the AFL want it.

They can always find a loophole in their own laws to either find a Guilty or Not Guilty verdict.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Cripps got away with murder. But for all you claiming about this setting some sort of precedent that you’re allowed to hit people in the head with no consequences, the only precedent it’s setting is that the AFL need to get better lawyers. Their tribunal chairperson messed up and it cost them. The appeal had nothing to do with Cripps’ actions and all to do with stupid legal terms on how the tribunal jury were unreasonable and resulted in an error of law. Nothing to do with what Cripps did, so no you can’t now just go out and bump someone in the head. You will cop your two weeks and now the AFL know they can’t send some clowns to chairperson the tribunal and instead put someone competent there.

But isn't this the perfect result for the AFL?

Cripps plays, Carlton strengthen their push for finals, and the AFL can ignore this as some sort of precedent in future.

I'd say it played out precisely how they would have wanted it to.

 

[Choc Milk]

What an absolute farce.

Launch yourself off the ground.
Hit your opponent in the head.
Opponent gets concussed.
Free to play next week.

This game really is losing me.

The game is losing you, just like you guys are losing JHF

 

[#40]

Probably for the best that he'll be available for the Pies game. Otherwise we might have thought the win was a foregone conclusion and not come with the right mindset At least with him in we'll be switched on.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

That's exactly the way the AFL want it.

They can always find a loophole in their own laws to either find a Guilty or Not Guilty verdict.

I wonder at what stage that the environment from outside the AFL begins to have a say.

I mean, you're allowed to set your own rules as a competition and run it as you see fit, but you do have a duty to standards set externally.

Even global companies like Google and Amazon get brought to heel occasionally (slap on the wrist stuff really, if that). But companies (even monopolies like the AFL) are not countries.

 

[JyeDye]

But isn't this the perfect result for the AFL?

Cripps plays, Carlton strengthen their push for finals, and the AFL can ignore this as some sort of precedent in future.

I'd say it played out precisely how they would have wanted it to.

It just makes them look like a joke of an organization, which they are, but I doubt they would want that seen so publicly. So no, I doubt they wanted this.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

What an absolute farce.

Once again a select few are protected.

What else can you even say. Borderline corruption

 

[Wosh]

Good morning, how is this fine reasonable discussion going?

 

[Fadge]

The AFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Henceforth known as the WWE-FL.

 

[bzparkes]

3 reports from the weekend.

One bloke knocks a guy out, another sends a player from the field for concussion testing.

One is overly vigorous in a tackle and gives away a free kick but the player tackled is perfectly fine.

Guess which one got suspended?

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Reconstructed footage from inside the AFL tribunal

To avoid AFL trademark laws, Cripps is referred to as a Norwegian Blue, and the bump is referred to as a dead parrot

 

[Worm4]

Let's be clear here. Carlton supporters do not think for one moment that we will trouble melbourne or Collingwood next 2 weeks. Season is more than likely cooked.
It's a result meaning that the game continues to remain an impact sport and with that comes collision , and yes , some players will get injured playing this great game of ours. The result should be celebrated by all . If you don't like collisions in our game , then perhaps go and follow something else

 

[rmcq]

Agree fully. However what happens if someone is concussed by someone's knee as they take the mark of the year?

Under the terrible ruling by Gleeson at the original appeal "let's call it a bump without even discussing whether it's a bump" a player taking a screamer would be liable for any injury caused in a marking contest no matter how incidental or what the intent was.

Well the answer to that is to consider the action not the outcome. Unfortunately the AFL so far have said it’s the outcome that matters, until this incident where even if the outcome is clear, as long as the action is ambiguous, it’s fine.

It’s unconscionable. Either the benefit of the doubt is given to the player or it’s given to the victim. If you’re trying to stamp out concussion, then go hard.

The AFL rules are hopeless.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It just makes them look like a joke of an organization, which they are, but I doubt they would want that seen so publicly. So no, I doubt they wanted this.

I honestly reckon they'd be sitting around puffing on cigars, and patting each other on the back as to how clever they are and how dumb their customers are.

"We did it again gentleman. And those poor pathetic fools will be none the wiser. And even the ones that are, will get over it the moment their team has a win anyway." <Insert evil laugh>

 

[evo]

It’s so frustrating seeing this example from years ago in every tribunal thread. Cotchin didn’t intend to go high and he collected the ball on the way through. He was creating/protecting space for him to gather and give. The rules were also different then.

Nuffies need to put it to bed

Sanity at last.

Well played, good sir.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I wonder at what stage that the environment from outside the AFL begins to have a say.

I mean, you're allowed to set your own rules as a competition and run it as you see fit, but you do have a duty to standards set externally.

Even global companies like Google and Amazon get brought to heel occasionally (slap on the wrist stuff really, if that). But companies (even monopolies like the AFL) are not countries.

When eyes on screens dwindle.

Until then, they can, and will, do whatever the fu** they want.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

Cripps got away with murder. But for all you claiming about this setting some sort of precedent that you’re allowed to hit people in the head with no consequences, the only precedent it’s setting is that the AFL need to get better lawyers. Their tribunal chairperson messed up and it cost them. The appeal had nothing to do with Cripps’ actions and all to do with stupid legal terms on how the tribunal jury were unreasonable and resulted in an error of law. Nothing to do with what Cripps did, so no you can’t now just go out and bump someone in the head. You will cop your two weeks and now the AFL know they can’t send some clowns to chairperson the tribunal and instead put someone competent there.

Tell you what, let the hearing be scheduled for 6 weeks time.
Player is suspended on full pay until then.

 

[rmcq]

Let's be clear here. Carlton supporters do not think for one moment that we will trouble melbourne or Collingwood next 2 weeks. Season is more than likely cooked.
It's a result meaning that the game continues to remain an impact sport and with that comes collision , and yes , some players will get injured playing this great game of ours. The result should be celebrated by all . If you don't like collisions in our game , then perhaps go and follow something else

Except we now know how serious concussions are. They’re not like broken legs or ACL ruptures. They have long-term consequences to cognition. Even one concussion can be life-changing. Sure, the players sign up to that risk, but that doesn’t mean we don’t do whatever we can to minimise the risk.

 

[tiger_tough]

Apparently the afl can appeal the decision...

The circus rolls on

 

[Funk]

Cripps got away with murder. But for all you claiming about this setting some sort of precedent that you’re allowed to hit people in the head with no consequences, the only precedent it’s setting is that the AFL need to get better lawyers. Their tribunal chairperson messed up and it cost them. The appeal had nothing to do with Cripps’ actions and all to do with stupid legal terms on how the tribunal jury were unreasonable and resulted in an error of law. Nothing to do with what Cripps did, so no you can’t now just go out and bump someone in the head. You will cop your two weeks and now the AFL know they can’t send some clowns to chairperson the tribunal and instead put someone competent there.

A forgotten fact is 3 umpires saw this incident live - and NOT ONE OF THEM thought it was even worth a free kick.

 

[Dadda Dave]

I agree, Cripps wasn't going for the ball and he didn't show a duty of care. If he was going for the ball his hands would have been out.

Have another look .. are they Crippa's that are out or is it an optical allusion?

 

[JayJ20]

Cripps got away with murder. But for all you claiming about this setting some sort of precedent that you’re allowed to hit people in the head with no consequences, the only precedent it’s setting is that the AFL need to get better lawyers. Their tribunal chairperson messed up and it cost them. The appeal had nothing to do with Cripps’ actions and all to do with stupid legal terms on how the tribunal jury were unreasonable and resulted in an error of law. Nothing to do with what Cripps did, so no you can’t now just go out and bump someone in the head. You will cop your two weeks and now the AFL know they can’t send some clowns to chairperson the tribunal and instead put someone competent there.

It does set a precedent because clubs will now do the same thing. Why would clubs be willing to accept bans? Just appeal the whole ban and the player is free to play.

 

[harmesy 37]

Some of you guys are out of your mind!!
So players should stay back and stay out of the contest if they saw an opponent already going for it????

It is best to be 2nd to the ball on the forward line.. witness Collingwood’s Elliott’s “holding the ball” free kicks last week.
2 were dubious at best but kudos to him for his tackling technique- spot on.

The Melbourne player with red hair Oliver had the ball for one Milo-second-Elliott tackles him in front of goal. Goal.
Big reward for picking up the ball.. better to keep shovelling ball or just punch it anywhere.

Don’t pick it up.
Holding ball doesn’t require prior opportunity anymore.

 

[RonnieRaven]

This eyes on the ball thing is a joke to
I was an average footballer but when I played I knew how to check the player and eyes on the ball then turn the body late and lay out the oppo so I suspect a professional knows how to do it.