Paul Roos slams Melbourne

[Gavin Excell]

Doesn't hold back much here.

Suggestion is that Melbourne is talented enough but players don't want to do the hard work.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/paul-roos-enough-is-enough-melbourne/story-fn7si1vl-1226341132568

(Paywall article)

 

[Black Diamond]

Is there a group of footballers over the past two years whose effort levels have fluctuated as dramatically as the Demons squad?

Their effort levels haven't really fluctuated at all. They have pretty much always put in a bad effort.

 

[Husk]

They have almost reached their goal of a team entirely composed of first round draft picks.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Suggestion is that Melbourne is talented enough but players don't want to do the hard work.

In other news, the sky is blue, rain is comprised of water, shoes go on your feet, and everybody poops.

 

[Tulip]

In other news, the sky is blue, rain is comprised of water, shoes go on your feet, and everybody poops.

We are well on the way to destroying Neeld's coaching career. Love me some HUN journalism.

 

[AG]

Disagree with Roos. I don't think they are talented enough, so it's too simple to just say it's hard work holding them back. Work rate wasn't that bad against the Dogs and they still went down.

Whilst guys like Bate, Dunn, Bartram etc. keep getting games then I'll doubt they do have the talent.

 

[Geddy Lee]

Disagree with Roos. I don't think they are talented enough, so it's too simple to just say it's hard work holding them back. Work rate wasn't that bad against the Dogs and they still went down.

We would have won if Mitch Clark hadn't injured himself. Our bad luck is palpable.

 

[Borgsta]

We would have won if Mitch Clark hadn't injured himself. Our bad luck is palpable.

Weren't you already down by about 20 at that point when the guy that had only kicked 1 goal got injured art the end of the 3rd quarter.
Your "bad luck" is a handy excuse

 

[AG]

We would have won if Mitch Clark hadn't injured himself. Our bad luck is palpable.

Why? He wasn't playing well enough to assume he would have been the match winner.

 

[Dez!]

Disagree with Roos. I don't think they are talented enough, so it's too simple to just say it's hard work holding them back. Work rate wasn't that bad against the Dogs and they still went down.

Whilst guys like Bate, Dunn, Bartram etc. keep getting games then I'll doubt they do have the talent.

Bate has been very good this year.

For us it's just a matter of adapting to Neeld's gameplan, once the players get it down you will see more consistent and improved performance.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Love me some HUN journalism.

Oh yes.

Even if I contrived to get a crayon lodged in my brain, Homer style, I'm still certain I'd do an infinitely better job.

Hilarious that News Corp actually think we'll pay to read the pathetic pile of pungent cow dung they produce on a daily basis.

I'd rather smash my head against a brick wall a few times... the effect is much the same as reading a Murdoch newspaper anyway

 

[#Rompingwins!!]

We are well on the way to destroying Neeld's coaching career. Love me some HUN journalism.

By 'we' you mean the players and recruiters at Melbourne yeah?

 

[Glorious couch life]

In other news, the sky is blue, rain is comprised of water, shoes go on your feet, and everybody poops.

Australian vernacular please or GTFO.

Really feel for Mark Neeld, having to deal with this insipid bunch. He seems like a dedicated and refreshingly honest man who's been dealt a shitty hand (both on field and off).

I honestly hope he can get something out of the players.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Australian vernacular please or GTFO.

My apologies - was having a Simpsons flashback

Work rate wasn't that bad against the Dogs

It was dramatically better than the level of effort we've put out on the field prior to last weekend. Of course it was. Lots of positive and tangible improvements that we can identify out of that match.

But up to that point, our overall workrate and intensity has been absolutely diabolical a lot of the time. Manifestly so. It's been screamingly obvious.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Can't be bothered clicking on the link but if Roos wrote it I'm assuming the article goes something like this:

"Yeah look, if you look at the Sydney model then Melbourne aren't... It's like they don't have the bigger body of a Hally or a Teddy Richards at... But I agree Gerard, I agree that if those are the processes - and if you study the way we did it at Sydney, they are - then yes, Melbourne will continue to struggle if Mark doesn't maybe give Rossy a call to learn how to best use your Hally or your Goodesy... But that doesn't mean that Lindsay Thomas should be allowed to play this week."

 

[Winky]

My apologies - was having a Simpsons flashback

It was dramatically better than the level of effort we've put out on the field prior to last weekend. Of course it was. Lots of positive and tangible improvements that we can identify out of that match.

But up to that point, our overall workrate and intensity has been absolutely diabolical a lot of the time. Manifestly so. It's been screamingly obvious.

I feel sorry for the promising kids they have had access to and look like having access to for some years......there is something wrong at Melbourne. They are either clueless when it comes to recruiting or they can't develop kids. Maybe something to do with Connelly and Schwab..their record was not good at Freo.

 

[AG]

Can't be bothered clicking on the link but if Roos wrote it I'm assuming the article goes something like this:

"Yeah look, if you look at the Sydney model then Melbourne aren't... It's like they don't have the bigger body of a Hally or a Teddy Richards at... But I agree Gerard, I agree that if those are the processes - and if you study the way we did it at Sydney, they are - then yes, Melbourne will continue to struggle if Mark doesn't maybe give Rossy a call to learn how to best use your Hally or your Goodesy... But that doesn't mean that Lindsay Thomas should be allowed to play this week."

Did laugh, but it's actually a good article and worth a read.

 

[CAS79]

I feel sorry for the promising kids they have had access to and look like having access to for some years......there is something wrong at Melbourne. They are either clueless when it comes to recruiting or they can't develop kids. Maybe something to do with Connelly and Schwab..their record was not good at Freo.

Very good point. With one coach shown the door if this crap there serving up doesn't improve soon the board need to come in and cut the fish at the head.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

I've already gone through these issues and the reasons for them on other threads before.

It's got nothing significant to do with Connolly or Schwab. It never did.

The situation we have now on the field is, more than anything, a product of the overall state of our football department and club infrastructure prior to this year, in some respects deficient up until relatively recently, but in other respects the deficiencies have been obvious right throughout the whole period until the end of 2011.

Coaching, player development, team discipline and on-field leadership (problems in those two areas flow directly from the first two, it's safe to say) have all clearly been at issue continually until the end of last year. Whereas our facilities and off-field infrastructure have certainly improved in recent years - but were certainly at issue for a long time previously.

Obviously if we'd had better facilities earlier on, our middle-age players and senior group could have reached a higher level than they're currently at, irrespective of the merits of our recruitment choices. If we'd had better coaching and training staff throughout this whole time. If we'd had a head coach capable of enforcing proper team discipline, by which I mean preventing the development of a culture where sub-standard workrate and effort becomes permissible. All of these things have a substantial impact.

Fortunately, the overall picture in all these areas this year for us is far better than it's been in years.

We finally have a real drill sergeant coaching us - we've been crying out for that - our facilities are good, our staff are of as high a calibre as we've had for a long time, IMO, including training, player development etc, and recruitment.

The problems that persisted for such a long time before now, the primary causes of our current situation on the field, are no longer occurring within our football department.

But it's going to be a frustrating length of time to wait before that genuinely becomes apparent in our on-field performance.

 

[Kwality]

In other news, the sky is blue, rain is comprised of water, shoes go on your feet, and everybody poops.

Courageous admission by 33, most fans go into denial even when looking at the truth. Its as clear as the colour of the sky, Melbournes onfield effort over recent years has gone from bad to worse, shrouded in a belief that next year will deliver.

Its a club that believes its important regardless of its onfield performances.

Not good enough to go with yet another rebuild, which is an acceptance of years of failure. Sydney does not give up & run the rebuild spin, why should Melbourne members wear it.

Need more fans like 33, as Teddy might say: 'stick it up 'em', & Connolly, Schwab & the list managers need to make a case or show them the door.

 

[Bucking Beads]

With all their first round draft picks they just haven't got a genuine marquee player. Seriously poor recruitment by the dees. Don't have the talent but don't have the attitude to make up for the lack of talent either.

 

[deeslover4ever]

And Paul Roos is 100% right in what he says. We have a bunch of prima donna footballers thinking they can run the whole show at the club. Our performances this year have been pathetic to put it mildly.

 

[CAS79]

Wonna thats fine, we'll see this play out over the next couple of season but as winky said that both Connolly and Schwabb have question marks hanging over them previously and if your drill sergeant fails to lift this intensity than it's time to go looking at the very people in charge of charging the culture from the top.

This project turn it around the eyes are very much on them.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Seriously poor recruitment by the dees.

The situation we're in has very, very little to do with any recruitment decisions made within the last several years.

We have plenty of talent within our ranks. It's just wrong to state otherwise.

The legitimately poor recruitment decisions, which had the greatest deleterious effect, were many of those made between 2000-2005 - regarding our middle-age and older players.

But even that issue is a relatively small part of the overall equation. Recruitment is far from being the most significant factor. It's only one issue amongst many problems that have needed to be solved by the club. And have been.

 

[Balony_pony16]

I think their youth policy is starting to bit them in the arse...they should have let McDonald play on and mentor the young mids...The slowing development of Trengrove & Grimes is a perfect example of this.