PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[dwwaino]

This is something I didn't even know was a thing to think about until recently

It's confusing at first but I find it helps narrow your selection of boards depending on your use case. For example I could immediately rule out all Gigabyte Aorus boards because after looking at their block diagrams it appears like they're aimed at streamers/creators. Those boards have lots of lane sharing from the storage to feed the extra USB ports and PCIe slots so you can run things like capture cards. ASRock have only just started appearing at Aussie retailers and so far I can only find two that list them (Scorptec and Centre Com) and before that I was deadset on the x870 Tomahawk. Being an x870 and not an x870e it has less lanes but it was the only board at that price where I could run two M2 drives at full speed without pulling lanes from anything else. With the x870e ASRock boards that will never be an issue if I plan on loading even more storage in the future.

 

[dwwaino]

My $588 7800x3d purchase looking better again. Now it's up to $749 (if you can find one). Anyone may as well reach a bit further for the 9800x3d at that price.

 

[dwwaino]

Gamer's Nexus and their drones be like

 

[Xtreme]

Learn something new every day but I wasn't aware that a vibrating laptop can cause screws to eventually become loose and fall out. Screwed it back in and hopefully it doesn't happen again (it will!),

 

[dwwaino]

Lan 50.. Lan FIFTY
nudge nudge

Join NVIDIA GeForce LAN 50

Starting Saturday, January 4, at 4:30 p.m. PT

www.nvidia.com

 

[biaseddustyfan]

just helped my gf build her 4070ti super 9800x3d build and I'm still here on my 11 year old PC

next year's the year...

 

[dwwaino]

just helped my gf build her 4070ti super 9800x3d build and I'm still here on my 11 year old PC

next year's the year...

Did you take any happy snaps of it?

 

[dwwaino]

 

[dwwaino]

Slight TDP bump, 12+4 connector on entire family.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - News

hwbusters.com

Not in this article but by the other recent news/rumours the 5070ti is actually looking really good while the 5080 is looking like a turd. To play devil's advocate though the gddr7 3gb modules aren't available yet otherwise I suspect the 5080 would have them from launch. There isn't a lot separating the 80 from the 70ti and if it can only support 8 memory modules and it's 8x2gb then obviously a future 5080ti/super will have 8x3gb for 24gb of vram. However the 5080 is rumoured to be 203-400 and NVIDIA only go from 100 to 400 (I think?) there isn't a lot of room to improve the 5080 besides vram and an overclock in the future. The 5080 will still be priced like an 80 and anybody interested in that tier should seriously consider the 203-300 5070ti instead.

This is also likely a very deliberate 5090 upsell that I'll be admittedly falling for as for the first time I want to spoil myself with something dumb after what has been a really shit couple years personally. Besides the 1080ti it will be the first absolute flagship I've ever owned.

 

[dav3]

Slight TDP bump, 12+4 connector on entire family.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - Hardware Busters

Hardware Busters - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series "Blackwell" TDPs Leaked, Entire Lineup Unified with 12+4 Pin Power Connector - News

hwbusters.com

Not in this article but by the other recent news/rumours the 5070ti is actually looking really good while the 5080 is looking like a turd. To play devil's advocate though the gddr7 3gb modules aren't available yet otherwise I suspect the 5080 would have them from launch. There isn't a lot separating the 80 from the 70ti and if it can only support 8 memory modules and it's 8x2gb then obviously a future 5080ti/super will have 8x3gb for 24gb of vram. However the 5080 is rumoured to be 203-400 and NVIDIA only go from 100 to 400 (I think?) there isn't a lot of room to improve the 5080 besides vram and an overclock in the future. The 5080 will still be priced like an 80 and anybody interested in that tier should seriously consider the 203-300 5070ti instead.

This is also likely a very deliberate 5090 upsell that I'll be admittedly falling for as for the first time I want to spoil myself with something dumb after what has been a really shit couple years personally. Besides the 1080ti it will be the first absolute flagship I've ever owned.

Looks like it might be one of these typical refreshes where they don't bump up hardware specs too much, but implement some new features ready for their next architecture change, which of course means "AI"


Hopefully among other things, this means performance takes less of a hit once RT gets enabled.

 

[dwwaino]

Looks like it might be one of these typical refreshes where they don't bump up hardware specs too much, but implement some new features ready for their next architecture change, which of course means "AI"
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Hopefully among other things, this means performance takes less of a hit once RT gets enabled.

This is sounding likely so far as apparently besides the 5090 the generational gains will be smaller and that's coming with a TDP bump. The usually reliable sources are saying that the biggest gains are in RT and PT but in terms of pure raster the 5080 is only looking on par to maybe 5-10% improvment over the 4090.

There were lots of murmurs that the 50 series were meant to launch Q4 this year and I wonder if they were delayed to next year due to hope that Micron would have 3gb GDDR7 modules ready. The 5080 just doesn't look right after you look at the 5070ti which is on the same class GPU.

 

[dwwaino]

Just watched some stuff (read: speculation) on the neural rendering stuff. While it might be introduced now it will probably need at least a gen or two of graphics cards to be usable like ray tracing was after Turing (2000). Though one thing that we can't deny NVIDIA of despite often being painted the villain is their constant innovation despite having almost a monopoly. Blackwell has waiting lists for business users of over 12 months and they're still not only developing and passing the technologies down to consumers but also allocating fab capacity to even produce the cards when I'm sure they'd prefer to make more stuff for corporate and business where they actually make money (and probably why their consumer cards are so expensive so they can at least make it worthwhile to allocate capacity on).

 

[dwwaino]

5080 first followed by 5090.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB GPU First To Launch In January 2025, Followed By Flagship RTX 5090 32 GB GPU

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB GPU will be the first Blackwell gaming card to hit shelves in January followed by the RTX 5090 flagship.

wccftech.com

 

[dwwaino]

If Intel weren't making their GPU naming schemes confusing enough in regards to AM4 chipsets, next gen AMD Radeon: "hold my beer".

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Did you take any happy snaps of it?

didn't but I can get some when I'm back home and remember to!

do you blokes have any recommendations for mobo to pair with 9800x3d and likely a 5080? I want at least 2x m.2 ssd's, no plan for third at first at least. will have 2x32gb ram for my orchestral vst's. I don't really need to go too crazy with USB ports, most of the time only have a USB switcher plugged in and maybe 1 or 2 other things

 

[dwwaino]

didn't but I can get some when I'm back home and remember to!

do you blokes have any recommendations for mobo to pair with 9800x3d and likely a 5080? I want at least 2x m.2 ssd's, no plan for third at first at least. will have 2x32gb ram for my orchestral vst's. I don't really need to go too crazy with USB ports, most of the time only have a USB switcher plugged in and maybe 1 or 2 other things

I've just picked up a x870e Asrock Taichi and along with the x870e Taichi Lite and Nova they're the only boards where you can utilise all the M2 slots at full speed. The compromise is a couple less USB slots than the others and also rocks 2 USB 2.0. ASRock boards are hard to get at the moment though as I think only Scorptec and Centre Com are the only Aussie retailers carrying them and you will need to order due to their popularity.

Then Gigabyte x870e boards for example rock heaps of USB and PCIe slots but at the expense of sharing lanes with the M2 drives so stay away from them in your use case. x870e offer the most options due to the dual chipset but if you want to look at something like the x870 (no -e) MSI Tomahawk you can get 2 4x PCIe4.0 M2 drives or use the third M2 slot at 4x if you disable the rear USB 4.0 slots in BIOS as they lane share. For the price of the Tomahawk though you would be better trying to get your hands on a x870e ASRock Nova. B850 motherboards should be releasing soon but you'll be facing the same lane compromises as the x870 boards. x870e is stupidly priced though. You might be able to get some old x670 stock which will offer the same features as the x870e at better prices but the reason I decided to go the x870e myself even though pairing with a 7800x3d is due to better memory support and since it will be supported for one more generation it will likely have better support for next gen Ryzen than the 600 chipset (as in AGESA support and stuff).


edit: I should add that the Taichi and Taichi Lite are E-ATX boards so would need to make sure your case supports that form factor. Otherwise the Nova. Scorptec at the current time of writing have the Nova with an ETA meaning you can order unlike they're Sold Out stuff where you can't even add to cart. The Nova is arguably the best x870e board and it's also the cheapest. I ordered the Taichi when it was ETA and they didn't get it until a few days after the date but if you're waiting for RTX50 like me then you're in no rush to pick it up either.

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/amd-socket-am5/114343-x870e-nova-wifi

 

[biaseddustyfan]

I've just picked up a x870e Asrock Taichi and along with the x870e Taichi Lite and Nova they're the only boards where you can utilise all the M2 slots at full speed. The compromise is a couple less USB slots than the others and also rocks 2 USB 2.0. ASRock boards are hard to get at the moment though as I think only Scorptec and Centre Com are the only Aussie retailers carrying them and you will need to order due to their popularity.

Then Gigabyte x870e boards for example rock heaps of USB and PCIe slots but at the expense of sharing lanes with the M2 drives so stay away from them in your use case. x870e offer the most options due to the dual chipset but if you want to look at something like the x870 (no -e) MSI Tomahawk you can get 2 4x PCIe4.0 M2 drives or use the third M2 slot at 4x if you disable the rear USB 4.0 slots in BIOS as they lane share. For the price of the Tomahawk though you would be better trying to get your hands on a x870e ASRock Nova. B850 motherboards should be releasing soon but you'll be facing the same lane compromises as the x870 boards. x870e is stupidly priced though. You might be able to get some old x670 stock which will offer the same features as the x870e at better prices but the reason I decided to go the x870e myself even though pairing with a 7800x3d is due to better memory support and since it will be supported for one more generation it will likely have better support for next gen Ryzen than the 600 chipset (as in AGESA support and stuff).


edit: I should add that the Taichi and Taichi Lite are E-ATX boards so would need to make sure your case supports that form factor. Otherwise the Nova. Scorptec at the current time of writing have the Nova with an ETA meaning you can order unlike they're Sold Out stuff where you can't even add to cart. The Nova is arguably the best x870e board and it's also the cheapest. I ordered the Taichi when it was ETA and they didn't get it until a few days after the date but if you're waiting for RTX50 like me then you're in no rush to pick it up either.

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/amd-socket-am5/114343-x870e-nova-wifi

thanks for the info. was looking at those ASRock ones earlier and they did seem pretty good value. I'm happy to wait I've already waited many years haha so preorder is fine with me. might grab that nova board after a bit more pondering..

 

[dwwaino]

thanks for the info. was looking at those ASRock ones earlier and they did seem pretty good value. I'm happy to wait I've already waited many years haha so preorder is fine with me. might grab that nova board after a bit more pondering..

Scorptec are saying ETA 7/1 but even if that's loose it will still likely come in no more than a week later. I'd have ordered the Nova myself but after deciding on ASRock I just committed to the first I could order between Taichi or Nova given their popularity. To get anything comparible you're looking at $900-1000+ and even then if M2 storage is your consideration they don't even suit your use case anyway. I think when I ordered the Taichi it had an ETA of the 17th but it ended up coming in on the 20th. When I was getting something else from Scorptec the week before the bloke told me the boards were popular and they're getting a steady stream of supply but not very many units at a time. Not to act like a salesman but it's better to get the order in now if you've got the cash available because there will likely be a rush once RTX 50 releases and others are holding off until then to buy their new parts. That was my justification for buying the 7800x3d for only $580 when I did as Ryzen 9000 launched and it was probably one of the smartest PC decisions I have ever made.