Pendlebury should have gone pick one in 2005!

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douggie the don said:
Can we all get off the Hird Vs Buckley topic

It's Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo been done!!!!!!!

On topic, It's looking like a great crop of Mids in this year. Probably need another year or two to judge correctly.
However, Paddy Ryder would have to come into consideration for the #1 pick if the draft was to be held today.
Still has the most developing to do out of the other names mentioned and already looks the goods even as a skinny light-weight boy playing in a KP role.

So much upside!!!!!!
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I understand what you mean, if a club was hell bent on getting a KP player then Ryder would be highly considered now, more so than Kennedy anyway.

Saying that, even if a club was in need of a KP player, to not pick up one of either Pendlebury, Thomas or Murphy who will all be better players IMO would be risky. Often better to pick best available, especially so early in the draft.
 
FOOOOTY said:
Hird was so much better then Buckley it isn't funny.
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FOOOOTY said:
Voss was so much better then Buckley it isnt funny.
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You should use some of your own Brownlow logic mate

Buckley and R.Harvey have the most votes of the modern day players, and they both did it in teams that were struggling for most of their careers......so according to you they should be rated on the same level as Hird, Voss!
 
Mark W said:
QUOTE=The Donners;9501804]I'm disputing that it was Buckley that won you the game.
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Can you now see why you are changing the goal posts? You asked for one example where he kicked a miraculous goal, you did not ask for an example of where he won the game. Regardless you are wrong on both counts, cause he did both - a miraculous goal that won us the game and I had to go all the way back to last year to do it. A screamer in the goal square in the last minutes of the game where your side is 3 or 4 points down. The WINNING goal that somehow you dispute did not win us the game.....go figure[/quote]

Read all of my posts rather than a select few to assist with your argument!
 

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doppleganger said:
You should use some of your own Brownlow logic mate

Buckley and R.Harvey have the most votes of the modern day players, and they both did it in teams that were struggling for most of their careers......so according to you they should be rated on the same level as Hird, Voss!
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Hardly, you could also argue that Hird and Voss had other great players in their team that could've taken votes from them.

No statistics, no medals will persuade you to the FACT that Hird and Voss were in a much higher level than Buckley and Harvey. By no means am I saying Buckley and Harvey weren't good, they were/are great, but Hird, Voss, Ablett and Carey are greater!
 
doppleganger said:
Fair enough to rank them that way..

But i dont agree with your reasoning. Take a look at Ablett in the 89 GF, one of the best individual performances you will ever see, yet not enough to win it off his own boot........it is your team that wins you games.

Buckley and Harvey, in particular, produced season after season of high quality footy.......it got to the stage where Buckley or Harvey having 25 touches was seen as a win for the opposition......that was how consistently great they were.

Why? He went forward when the game was in the balance and kicked 6 second half goals playing as a leading forward.....finished with 30 disposals and 6 goals, yet that aint a match winning effort.......but jimbob bobbing up with a couple of snaps in the last quarter after being quiet for most of the day is a match winning performance??:rolleyes:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuylfPpTcn0

Just a small snippet of the things Buckley couldn't do! :thumbsu:
 
The Donners said:
Hardly, you could also argue that Hird and Voss had other great players in their team that could've taken votes from them.
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If you read Foooty's rant regarding Pendles and Jones, he was waffling about how Jones had more brownlow votes in a team that struggled, he was suggesting it is harder to get votes in poor teams, and hence Jones should be rated alongside Pendles.

So Buckley and Harvey have the most brownlow votes of the modern day players, and did it playing with teams that struggled as a rule, using Footy's argument they should be rated with the best of the era.

No co-incidence that when Bucks and Harvey finally had some decent team mates around them that they started picking up awards like the brownlow, norm smith etc.

The Donners said:
No statistics, no medals will persuade you to the FACT that Hird and Voss were in a much higher level than Buckley and Harvey. By no means am I saying Buckley and Harvey weren't good, they were/are great, but Hird, Voss, Ablett and Carey are greater!
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FACT, bahahahah, tis just ur opinion buddy.

Longy summed it up perfectly.
 
Murphy doesn't look like he's worth a number one draft pick to me. Struggles to take a hit and seems to have a tendency to engage in theatrics as evidenced by today; extremely ordinary disposal - no left side, and no impact in his kicking on his right side, seems to have a fundamental flaw.

Best player from that draft to date has been Birchall.
 

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bluespooner said:
Murphy doesn't look like he's worth a number one draft pick to me. Struggles to take a hit and seems to have a tendency to engage in theatrics as evidenced by today; extremely ordinary disposal - no left side, and no impact in his kicking on his right side, seems to have a fundamental flaw.

Best player from that draft to date has been Birchall.
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Very good solid player. Very dependable and rarely makes a mistake. Probably the most underrated of that draft and i would have him over pendles. Probably lacks the brilliance of murphy and thomas.
 
bluespooner said:
Murphy doesn't look like he's worth a number one draft pick to me. Struggles to take a hit and seems to have a tendency to engage in theatrics as evidenced by today; extremely ordinary disposal - no left side, and no impact in his kicking on his right side, seems to have a fundamental flaw.

Best player from that draft to date has been Birchall.
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I suggest you watch a replay of the game - not that anyone named "bluespooner" would have anything close to objectivity.
 
Finally after 400 posts the standout talent of the 2005 draft is identified.

Wouldn't swap Grant Birchall for anyone in the 2005 draft. Pick 14 was a deadset steal.
 
bluespooner said:
Murphy doesn't look like he's worth a number one draft pick to me. Struggles to take a hit and seems to have a tendency to engage in theatrics as evidenced by today; extremely ordinary disposal - no left side, and no impact in his kicking on his right side, seems to have a fundamental flaw.
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Bwahaha - you clearly know nothing about football so stop wasting everyone's time. :rolleyes:
 
Thommo 42 said:
Murphy was good today, but are peoples careers really defined in one match?
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It's not one game.

All we heard last year was how Murphy's stagnated and Pendlebury's flown past him and is the better player yadda yadda when in fact he was getting extremely heavy tags every week.

That still didn't stop most Collingwood supporters for berating him and talking up Pendlebury and now you are seeing what having/not having a tag does to players and it's now Pendlebury getting the tag and Murphy running amok so it's just a reminder to those people who get way ahead of themselves.

FWIW, Pendlebury is a very good player but I wouldn't swap him for Murphy and I imagine neither would you and that's fair enough.
 
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