Perth Stadium (Optus Stadium)

[Ned_Flanders]

If you restrict the model to interstate tourists then you're really doing it hard.
Regardles, how are you going to get money from tourists into the WA government's coffers?
Simple question. Please answer without any diversion.
Please restrict any replies to answering this simple question.
If you don't Know. Then say so.

It has to be restricted to non wa peoples, because you are already receiving the benefit from that economic activity. The whole point is NEW activity, and you gt that from tourists, not locals

 

[Kwality]

Please restrict talk to the relevant football model. Chalk and cheese.
I don't want to know who's underwriting what. I would like a simple explanation as to how a government receives a return on it's investment
specifically w.r.t. to the Perth Stadium.

You may need to limit your discussion to footy however my understanding of the issues of Government funding & the role of Tourism WA goes back beyond the Stadium & I wont ignore it to suit your well demonstrated knowledge of the role of Government. Your suggestion of a simple explanation for the Stadium in isolation, ignoring the same issues being played out on your front doorstep, I wish you well, as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss.

& despite the issues of State & Federal Government, it was our Foreign Minister who was to the fore on the telecast yesterday.

 

[RedV3x]

Listen you two clowns pick a figure say 5,000 tourists.
How much do they spend in Perth say $600
Total income into W.A. is $3,000,000

Now how much does the WA government receive ?
Don't talk about whatever. just explain how much goes to the WA government from those tourists in WA.

 

[jatz14]

Listen you two clowns pick a figure say 5,000 tourists.
How much do they spend in Perth say $600
Total income into W.A. is $3,000,000

Now how much does the WA government receive ?
Don't talk about whatever. just explain how much goes to the WA government from those tourists in WA.

That's not an easy question to answer. That $3 mill ends up in the hands of people who otherwise wouldn't have had it and who might then engage in economic activity they otherwise wouldn't (multiplier effect).

It isn't the job of government to generate an economic return from investment, that's the job of private enterprise.

Government is there to produce a benefit from investment. Pumping $3mill into the economy produces an economic bump that's a lot bigger than $3mill, and isn't justifiable or not based on government tax revenue.

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[Kwality]

Listen you two clowns pick a figure say 5,000 tourists.
How much do they spend in Perth say $600
Total income into W.A. is $3,000,000

Now how much does the WA government receive ?
Don't talk about whatever. just explain how much goes to the WA government from those tourists in WA.

Directly $nothing subject to where the facility rental goes.

 

[RedV3x]

That's not an easy question to answer. That $3 mill ends up in the hands of people who otherwise wouldn't have had it and who might then engage in economic activity they otherwise wouldn't (multiplier effect).

Congratulations you are the first person to mention multiplier effect. So the WA government collects $100,000 from the first round G.ST.
If every single person who benefited from the injection of $3,000,000 spends their profit you will receive another much smaller amount and so on.

It isn't the job of government to generate an economic return from investment, that's the job of private enterprise.

I agree. If the event doesn't stack up commercially then it's not the job of the government to underwrite it.

 

[jatz14]

I agree. If the event doesn't stack up commercially then it's not the job of the government to underwrite it.

No, if it stacks up commercially, then it should have been built by commerce, not government. It has been built by government because it has been determined that society in WA needed it, and commerce wasn't going to build it.

If the government wants a dollar back for a dollar invested in the stadium, they shouldn't have built it, or all those other things not producing a direct dollar for dollar commercial return, like hospitals, and roads.

The direct return to government is difficult to determine, it isn't just straight forward gst, but that shouldn't be the basis for government decision making anyway.

 

[Kwality]

Congratulations you are the first person to mention multiplier effect. So the WA government collects $100,000 from the first round G.ST.
If every single person who benefited from the injection of $3,000,000 spends their profit you will receive another much smaller amount and so on.



I agree. If the event doesn't stack up commercially then it's not the job of the government to underwrite it.

I'm happy that you believe you have a handle on this.

 

[bassmanx]

Boring.

 

[RedV3x]

they shouldn't have built it,

I agree, but it's way way too late for that. The stadium is built. We cannot just put our heads in the sand and say they shouldn't have.
Rightly or wrongly the discussion is about extricating the government from this mess w.r.t. what is best all round.

 

[RedV3x]

Boring.

I apologize but we're talking about what is the most important feature of the new stadium and that is pricing which does involve "boring" economics.
It's important because it's fans like you that will be paying for it directly and taxpayers indirectly.
it's important to understand the mechanisms involved.

 

[Kwality]

Boring.

Trust you wont be whinging about catering prices ....

 

[freo bhoy]

See VenuesLive is looking at the catering contract, & that will be the source of many future whinges - the cuts to the Stadium Authority, the Stadium managers, the competing clubs & a modest margin for the caterer who will be accused of profiteering.

It is all headlined around the strength of the beer.
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/fans-split-over-stadium-beer-ng-b88458998z

There wont be a catering contract, Venueslive do their own catering. The article mentions they are finalising suppliers etc, this is different to contracting out the catering rights, unless they're going to brew beer themselves they will need a beer supplier, unless they buy a vineyard they'll need wine suppliers, unless they breed cattle...you get the picture...

 

[Kwality]

There wont be a catering contract, Venueslive do their own catering. The article mentions they are finalising suppliers etc, this is different to contracting out the catering rights, unless they're going to brew beer themselves they will need a beer supplier, unless they buy a vineyard they'll need wine suppliers, unless they breed cattle...you get the picture...

Its not as if catering is a specialised field ....

 

[freo bhoy]

Its not as if catering is a specialised field ....

Actually it is. Venueslive will have an entire department for it, thats why most other stadiums contract it out to specialists.

 

[bassmanx]

Trust you wont be whinging about catering prices ....

Your trust is misplaced.

 

[Kwality]

James Sutherland heading West still angling for the Ashes Test or an ODI at the new stadium:

An Ashes debut for Perth's new stadium remains in Cricket Australia's sights, with the chief executive James Sutherland to head west this week for meetings aimed at getting the 60,000 capacity Burswood development up and running in time for the third match of next summer's five-Test series.

On the day tickets went on sale to the general public for all venues but Perth, Sutherland said he was in continuing talks with stadium management - helmed by former CA executive Mike McKenna - the West Australian government and the builders to see if the precinct can be ready in time for the Ashes.

..... we're very optimistic that we'll be playing cricket at the new stadium in 2017-18, but we're hopeful it will be a Test match because I think people will come from everywhere to be a part of the event," Sutherland said. "We know there's latent demand in the UK just waiting for an announcement and they're ready to go, because Perth's just that little bit closer to the UK and I know it's a place that English travellers love to get to.

The stadium's management - which also includes CA's former head of events Chris Loftus-Hills - has remained steadfast that the venue is intended only to be ready in time for next year's AFL season. Australia have hosted Ashes Tests at incomplete stadiums before, most recently during the Adelaide Oval redevelopment, when the majority of the ground was available for play.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1096816.html

With so many ex CA types in Stadium management, I'd expect Sutherland to get a sympathetic ear.

 

[bassmanx]

James Sutherland heading West still angling for the Ashes Test or an ODI at the new stadium:

An Ashes debut for Perth's new stadium remains in Cricket Australia's sights, with the chief executive James Sutherland to head west this week for meetings aimed at getting the 60,000 capacity Burswood development up and running in time for the third match of next summer's five-Test series.

On the day tickets went on sale to the general public for all venues but Perth, Sutherland said he was in continuing talks with stadium management - helmed by former CA executive Mike McKenna - the West Australian government and the builders to see if the precinct can be ready in time for the Ashes.

..... we're very optimistic that we'll be playing cricket at the new stadium in 2017-18, but we're hopeful it will be a Test match because I think people will come from everywhere to be a part of the event," Sutherland said. "We know there's latent demand in the UK just waiting for an announcement and they're ready to go, because Perth's just that little bit closer to the UK and I know it's a place that English travellers love to get to.

The stadium's management - which also includes CA's former head of events Chris Loftus-Hills - has remained steadfast that the venue is intended only to be ready in time for next year's AFL season. Australia have hosted Ashes Tests at incomplete stadiums before, most recently during the Adelaide Oval redevelopment, when the majority of the ground was available for play.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1096816.html

With so many ex CA types in Stadium management, I'd expect Sutherland to get a sympathetic ear.

Wow ... the comments on that article were a tough read.

 

[WestCoast05]

Check it, from aerialphotographywa.com

 

[Ned_Flanders]

So whats the nickname wa peeps have given this joint?

 

[bassmanx]

So whats the nickname wa peeps have given this joint?

The Craypot has been popular with the on site crew apparently.

 

[jatz14]

James Sutherland heading West still angling for the Ashes Test or an ODI at the new stadium:

An Ashes debut for Perth's new stadium remains in Cricket Australia's sights, with the chief executive James Sutherland to head west this week for meetings aimed at getting the 60,000 capacity Burswood development up and running in time for the third match of next summer's five-Test series.

On the day tickets went on sale to the general public for all venues but Perth, Sutherland said he was in continuing talks with stadium management - helmed by former CA executive Mike McKenna - the West Australian government and the builders to see if the precinct can be ready in time for the Ashes.

..... we're very optimistic that we'll be playing cricket at the new stadium in 2017-18, but we're hopeful it will be a Test match because I think people will come from everywhere to be a part of the event," Sutherland said. "We know there's latent demand in the UK just waiting for an announcement and they're ready to go, because Perth's just that little bit closer to the UK and I know it's a place that English travellers love to get to.

The stadium's management - which also includes CA's former head of events Chris Loftus-Hills - has remained steadfast that the venue is intended only to be ready in time for next year's AFL season. Australia have hosted Ashes Tests at incomplete stadiums before, most recently during the Adelaide Oval redevelopment, when the majority of the ground was available for play.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/1096816.html

With so many ex CA types in Stadium management, I'd expect Sutherland to get a sympathetic ear.

So, James Sutherland is going to get the stadium development up and running is he?

That's jolly good of him.

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[Billy ray]

So whats the nickname wa peeps have given this joint?

The 'thank you colin barnet for doing what heaps before you have promised but never delivered stadium'

 

[Billy ray]

And to show im not political, people will catch the 'thank you alannah mactiernan for building a southern rail line' train to the stadium

 

[Admiral Byng]

The most likely scenario is the stadium will be ready but not the pedestrian bridge. Expect they will try to go ahead and play at the new stadium anyway without the bridge and there will be chaos and delays getting to the ground.