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Wow. Just looked at Fremantles membership page $1000 for 11 games cat 1. I assume this is Grand Final Guarantee. That is a lot. I pay $700 Adelaide Oval Football Membership (22 AFL matches, All SANFL Finals and 6 SANFL games) and $160 for my Crows Gold (GF Guarantee). So thats $860 and I get twice the matches
 
Wow. Just looked at Fremantles membership page $1000 for 11 games cat 1. I assume this is Grand Final Guarantee. That is a lot. I pay $700 Adelaide Oval Football Membership (22 AFL matches, All SANFL Finals and 6 SANFL games) and $160 for my Crows Gold (GF Guarantee). So thats $860 and I get twice the matches
GF guarantee is a separate membership add on for us which is currently exhausted.
 

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Thinking of getting a Cat 6 Freo membership. For $249 its good value. I've been in Perth since 2012 and haven't seen an AFL game in all that time (except for a pre-season match) and really want to get a good footy fix.
 
Wow. Just looked at Fremantles membership page $1000 for 11 games cat 1. I assume this is Grand Final Guarantee. That is a lot. I pay $700 Adelaide Oval Football Membership (22 AFL matches, All SANFL Finals and 6 SANFL games) and $160 for my Crows Gold (GF Guarantee). So thats $860 and I get twice the matches

Whacko, rejected your club membership for a better offer.
 
What are we expecting attendance wise for the 2 clubs next season. I've got west coast around the 53,000 average attendance mark, Fremantle at 49,000.
 
What are we expecting attendance wise for the 2 clubs next season. I've got west coast around the 53,000 average attendance mark, Fremantle at 49,000.

I can see the Eagles ave around the 53k + figure, not sure about the Dockers though...they would want to improve the onfield product... games like where they got belted by the Tigers by 100 points aren’t gunna attract too many people. Some of the Dockers memberships have increased quite a bit as well so will be interested to see if they all renew even with a new flash stadium. I have Dockers family membership but only want to renew a 3 game membership.
 
I can see the Eagles ave around the 53k + figure, not sure about the Dockers though...they would want to improve the onfield product... games like where they got belted by the Tigers by 100 points aren’t gunna attract too many people. Some of the Dockers memberships have increased quite a bit as well so will be interested to see if they all renew even with a new flash stadium. I have Dockers family membership but only want to renew a 3 game membership.

as much as Im sure every stakeholder and observer and commentator on the new membership packages will read a lot in to the initial/first year/first 2 years take up and loathe change/adjustments - I think most of the commentary will be over exagerating the significance of it.... low year 1 take up or 'disappointing year 1/2 take up will inevitably get washed out over the longer term and settle a new higher figure - driven by the sheer improved experience and improved infrastructure. Lots of people will want to make a dog and pony show over it and read all sorts of dire things into it, but in the end it will be a blip as the economics and the planning come face to face in the real world and get sorted out. I hope its a case of respecting and following up on the the complaints and concerns that emerge, but not giving oxygen to the doomsdayers and end-of-the football-world-ers and letting that diminish the pleasure the football going public will get from the amenity. Great stuff Perthverts: I hope you come to love your stadium (if you don't already!) and it loves you back.
 
I can see the Eagles ave around the 53k + figure, not sure about the Dockers though...they would want to improve the onfield product... games like where they got belted by the Tigers by 100 points aren’t gunna attract too many people. Some of the Dockers memberships have increased quite a bit as well so will be interested to see if they all renew even with a new flash stadium. I have Dockers family membership but only want to renew a 3 game membership.
Adelaide finished 10th in the first season at Adelaide oval and averaged 48,000 a game. think the new stadium will keep a few coming.
 
Bear in mind that the ICC minimum size does not apply to existing grounds where test or ODI cricket had already been approved and played before they passed the minimum size rule. So AO gets that historical exemption, Perth Stadium does not.
Yep grounds approved for international cricket before 1st of October 2007 have been grandfathered under the old rules

19 LAW 19 - BOUNDARIES
Law 19 shall apply subject to the following:
19.1 Law 19.1 - The boundary of the field of play
....
Any ground which has been approved to host international cricket prior
to 1st October 2007 or which is currently under construction as of this
date which is unable to conform to these new minimum dimensions
shall be exempt.
 

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Remember you have to allow a certain distance from the outer pitches in the pitch block. So the ground will always need to be bigger west-east.
New grounds yes for international cricket Test ODI T20, old grounds no. As I posted above grounds approved for international cricket prior to 1st October 2007 have been grandfathered.

North South for both footy and cricket
Adelaide Oval
SCG
Bellerive Oval
Kardinia Park - BBL
Manuka Canberra - 9 ODI's first in 1992 last in 2016
Cazaly Stadium - 2 tests in 2003 and 2004
Marrara Darwin - 2 tests in 2003 and 2004

North South cricket East West footy
MCG
Gabba
Perth Stadium
WACA
ANZ Sydney N/S footy E/W cricket
Docklands
 
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Not really correct.

Straight boundary
64m measured from the centre of the pitch. So 128m. Plus 3m between fence and boundary. So 134m.

Side boundary
Min 59.43m from centre of outer pitches in the block. So 118.86m+6m+distance between the centres of the 2 outer pitches (about 13m for the 5 pitches at PS)=137.86m.

So... the minimum size is more on the sides. And grounds with more than 5 pitches in the centre of the ground would be even wider.

Note I ignored the 3m of artificial turf against the fence & the fact that most places allow much more than the 2.75m min between the fence & boundary (which would apply at any point around the boundary).

At Perth Stadium it looks to have about 3m extra for the straight boundaries and 20m from the outer pitch on the side boundaries. (assuming the min size is used)

Plenty of flexibility at the new stadium - this looks like fence to fence dimensions. A pitch is 3.66m wide 2.64m is the distance between the left and right side bowling creases line and 0.51m on both sides of that for the boundries of th
e pitch.
https://perthstadium.com.au/factsheets/cricket-design-drop-wicket-fact-sheet/
  • Five drop-in cricket wickets to replicate the character of the Western Australian Cricket Association (WACA) ground wicket.
  • Playing surface 177m east:west and 141m north:south.
And footy dimensions allow for 5m-6m AFL wants between boundary line and fence
https://perthstadium.com.au/factsheets/afl-fact-sheet/
  • East:west field orientation to replicate alignment of the MCG and Domain Stadium (Subiaco Oval).
  • Field of play dimensions will be 165m along the east-west axis and 130m on the north-south axis. This is slightly shorter than Domain Stadium (Subiaco Oval) but aligned with the MCG, which is 160m x 141m.
The international cricket standard is
19.1 Law 19.1 - The boundary of the field of play
The following shall apply in addition to Law 19.1:
The playing area shall be a minimum of 150 yards (137.16 metres) from
boundary to boundary square of the pitch, with the shorter of the two
square boundaries being a minimum 65 yards (59.43 metres). The straight
boundary at both ends of the pitch shall be a minimum of 70 yards (64.00
metres). Distances shall be measured from the centre of the pitch to be used.

In all cases the aim shall be to provide the largest playing area, subject
to no boundary exceeding 90 yards (82.29 meters) from the centre of the
pitch to be used.
.......
19.2 Law 19.2 - Defining the boundary - boundary marking
The following shall apply in addition to Law 19.2:
All boundaries must be designated by a rope or similar object of a
minimum standard as authorised by the ICC from time to time. Where
appropriate the rope should be a required minimum distance (3 yards
(2.74 metres) minimum) inside the perimeter fencing or advertising signs.
For grounds with a large playing area, the maximum length of boundary
should be used before applying the minimum 3 yards (2.74 metres)
between the boundary and the fence.
 
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Given that the new stadium is fully enclosed and the playing field will be shielded from the strong Westerly winds that grace Perth during the afternoons, that the new ground is now standardised to the size and dimensions of Etihad Stadium, and that West Coast and Fremantle will no longer be hosting games on an elongated oval, does this mean that two significant elements of the Subiaco home ground advantage will be lost in future matches played in Perth? While visiting teams will still have to play in front of a largely parochial WA crowd, and there is the element of travel involved for other teams when playing in Perth, we should consider that these days most AFL teams are well conditioned to travelling.

Perhaps we might anticipate that in future, the games played in Perth may be much closer and more evenly poised than what they may have perhaps been in the past.
 
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Cricket pitches run north-south (give or take 5° or so). The footy grounds that are also cricket fields usually run east-west. Which is the case for Perth Stadium. So the media, corporates, etc. are in the best spot for both (north side).

Footy grounds tend to be a mix of both. Adelaide Oval, Etihad, SCG, Spotless, Metricon are north-south. Perth Stadium, MCG, Gabba are east-west.

Interestingly Spotless have their wickets go east-west (whch ANZ also switched to)
 
The SCG is tiny so either direction results in an unsatisfactory AFL ground size.

Docklands (I think) was built thinking only about Aussie Rules so the ideal of morth-south followed. Same as GWS's Showgrounds and Carrara as far as I know.

Adelaide Oval has ridiculously narrow side boundaries for cricket. So forced to go north-south.

When it comes down to it, if a standard sized cricket/Aussie Rules ground is built it will pretty much be north-south for cricket and east-west for Aussie Rules.
 
Both teams will average over 50,000, as like we experienced at Adelaide Oval, there will be a big amount of 'come and see' spectators. This helped Port crowds almost match the AFC early on (especially in 2014), as due to their membership structure it was easier to get a ticket to Port games, rather than Crows games. Until this season Port actually held the biggest AFL attendances at Adelaide Oval.

Can see all WCE games selling out (to average 56,000-57,000) and Freo similar (avg 52,000-54,000). 60,000/59,000 crowds will be hit a few times.

The number of interstate fans will be big too, as we had and still have a massive amount of people coming over to check out Adelaide Oval.

By year four as we have just been in here in Adelaide, the Crows crowds have pretty much stayed the same (not dropped - actually increased-averaged around 47,674 in 2017) but Port crowds have dropped to averaged 38,389 (as the novelty factor has gone a bit).

The AFC crowds highs and lows weren't as Big as Ports this year. Our highest was the two finals (53,817 & 52,805) and smallest was 41,000 (against Bulldogs on a very wet night) and Ports highest was Showdown - 53,698, and they had a couple of games in the mid to low 30,000's.
 
The SCG is tiny so either direction results in an unsatisfactory AFL ground size.

Docklands (I think) was built thinking only about Aussie Rules so the ideal of morth-south followed. Same as GWS's Showgrounds and Carrara as far as I know.

Adelaide Oval has ridiculously narrow side boundaries for cricket. So forced to go north-south.

When it comes down to it, if a standard sized cricket/Aussie Rules ground is built it will pretty much be north-south for cricket and east-west for Aussie Rules.

AO is 10M wider in the new version. So its a bit wider. But yeah it only works for cricket as t always has.

Adelaide Oval: 167 x 124. Surface dimensions 183 x 134
Melbourne Cricket Ground: 160 x 141. 175 x 150
Eithad Stadium (Melbourne): 159.5 x 128.8
Simonds Stadium (Geelong): 170 x 115
Sydney Cricket Ground: 152.5 x 136
Skoda Stadium (Sydney): 164 x 127.5
ANZ Stadium (Sydney): 160 x 118
Gabba (Brisbane): 156 x 138
Metricon Stadium (Gold Coast): 161 x 134
Patersons Stadium (Perth): 175 x 122 

Blundstone Arena (Hobart): 160 x 124
 
New grounds yes for international cricket Test ODI T20, old grounds no. As I posted above grounds approved for international cricket prior to 1st October 2007 have been grandfathered.

North South for both footy and cricket
Adelaide Oval
SCG
Bellerive Oval
Kardinia Park - BBL
Manuka Canberra - 9 ODI's first in 1992 last in 2016
Cazaly Stadium - 2 tests in 2003 and 2004
Marrara Darwin - 2 tests in 2003 and 2004

North South cricket East West footy
MCG
Gabba
Perth Stadium
WACA
ANZ Sydney N/S footy E/W cricket
Docklands
Docklands runs north-south for footy and cricket (sight screens go where the goals go)
 

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