Rumour Phil Walsh to Crows

[Ford Fairlane]

Yeah, if they've signed Walsh he'll be on the sort of money Clarkson is getting. Incredible really.

Frightening.

 

[NuriootpaTigers]

I heard KT has actually asked Walsh and Nicks to go to the Crows as kamikaze pilots, so to speak. Sinking that ship once and for all...

 

[finbarr]

They have no problems pissing away money that lot though, who's the new benefactor?

Hurley. I'm speculating of course, but you'd think it'd be him with Ricciuto now on board.

 

[Janus]

Hurley. I'm speculating of course, but you'd think it'd be him with Ricciuto now on board.

**** I hope so. Knowing he's wasting his money on a lost cause gives me great pleasure.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

In 2011 he was on a contract for the following year (2012). You would think that a coach would have 3 year contracts at the very least for stability. So when he was promoted to defensive coach from development at the end of 2012, he would have been given another 3 year contract...which means he's out of contract at the end of this year.

As other posters have said, it's the game plan that makes these guys look good. Not saying that Nicks isn't a great defensive coach, but if Ricciuto thinks that he's the reason why Port Adelaide does so well he really doesn't have a clue and needs to rack up another line.

I dont think you can assume 3 years. Before Ken got the job KT said we would be keeping Rehn and Carr as assistant coaches irrespective of who was the coach as they were only at the end of year one in a 2 year deal. Rehn didnt survive past 2013. Budha had a 3 year deal and had only finished his first year. Gotch was appointed a year before Ken got the job so he did 2012 as defence coach and then was moved to run the Melbourne office and list management stuff in 2013.

Nicks was appointed develolment coach in October 2010 and he did the job in 2011 and 2012. At the end of 2012 we appointed him defence coach. The silence suuggests he is out of contract on 31st October.

Tyson Edwards came on board at the end of 2011 as a development coach for 2012 and 2013. At the end of 2013 he was appointed forwards coach. You would think he signed a contract for that covering 2014 and 2015 seasons. There has been no talk of the crows poaching him. Could be because he is contracted or could be because of the McLeod / Edwards feud.

I can live with Walsh leaving to get the top job. I will be pissed off if we lose Nicks. He helped bring the Sydney total defence to Port which blended in well with old half back flankers Ken Hinkley's and Alan Richardson's thinking.

If we lose Nicks, I hope the club is finding out the contract status of Sydney's John Blakey and Marty Mattner.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I think we would be a better side with a midfield coach who has good defensive strategies when the opposition gets on top.

Agree with this. From reports in preseason, Walsh runs and has changed a lot of our stoppage setup from 2013, which I wasn't really a big fan of because we had a good setup in 2013. I always felt that our stoppage was too one dimensional - it was either Boak or Gray wins it or the opposition wins it and it was pretty lack luster defensively, I think we conceded the 3rd most clearances in the league this year.

I did say this a while back this year:

Someone get me to understand the hype behind Walsh and Greaves. Even in our top form, our center clearances and stoppage setups were garbage and has gone backwards from 2013. It felt like Lobbe attempting to tap it and Boak trying to win the clearances and everyone else just standing in one spot expecting Boak to do it himself.

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I think Nicks would be a big loss though. All 6 of our defenders have come a long way, even our reserves defenders have been good. Perhaps the strongest part of our squad.

 

[proman_x]

Remember you're dealing with a club that sacked a contracted coach with no idea how to replace him, and are now rumoured to be trying to poach a contracted assistant.

Unless they are planning on moving Nicks into a senior administrative role, they have nowhere to go.

It's amazing that a club only a year ago was accepting a $1M handout from the AFL can afford to sack a coach then throw wads of money at a new coach and assistant.

Wasn't this also said about us when we gave chocolate drops the flick? We had to pay out the chiseller while also paying a new coach (rest in assistant coaching peace Matty Primus ) I will wait for the official announcement before getting my nickers in a knot.

Edit.... For the record. I do not care if you have been offered the head position of the UN, if you are under contract, than you should have a legal and moral obligation to finish your tenure before moving on. Perhaps I am old fashion but that's how I run when it comes to the positions I have served in the last 20 years.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Wasn't this also said about us when we gave chocolate drops the flick? We had to pay out the chiseller while also paying a new coach (rest in assistant coaching peace Matty Primus ) I will wait for the official announcement before getting my nickers in a knot.

Edit.... For the record. I do not care if you have been offered the head position of the UN, if you are under contract, than you should have a legal and moral obligation to finish your tenure before moving on. Perhaps I am old fashion but that's how I run when it comes to the positions I have served in the last 20 years.

Every time we spent money we had rocks thrown at us. Funny how it's only called a handout when it's given to Port.

 

[proman_x]

Every time we spent money we had rocks thrown at us. Funny how it's only called a handout when it's given to Port.

Yes so true

 

[Jack Foster]

Breaking News!!
Port Adelaide boot-studder Alfie Trebilcock seen with Roo eating chips and gravy at the Grange kiosk!

 

[*PAF]

How were West Coast most of the time he was there? How does an assistant coach teach elite hand skills to experienced footballers?

There's not doubt he is a quality assistant coach but the level of influence on Port's continued improvement under Hinkley from 2013 is arguable. For me Hinkley is the major influence on Port's resurgence.

The power base at Port is Koch, KT, Hinkley and Burgess.

I'm not debating who is the biggest influence etc, just saying that Walsh is quality. Wrt WCE's midfield while he was there I don't think their output Vs quality was ever questioned.
Unknown what he will be like as a head coach but I don't think he has anything to prove as an assistant.

 

[Macca19]

How were West Coast most of the time he was there? How does an assistant coach teach elite hand skills to experienced footballers?
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In tailored repetitive training drills, the same way you improve any part of your game or play the way the coaches want. Under walsh, both times, we have had ythe best pressure, contested hands in the league. We tried under mcguiness, laidley and bRyan and couldnt do it.

Wecant talk him/our assistants up all year then claim they bring nothing to the table when they look at getting a promotion elsewhere. But, i am confident if he does go we can find another assistant that can improve our midfield again

 

[Macca19]

Agree with this. From reports in preseason, Walsh runs and has changed a lot of our stoppage setup from 2013, which I wasn't really a big fan of because we had a good setup in 2013. I always felt that our stoppage was too one dimensional - it was either Boak or Gray wins it or the opposition wins it and it was pretty lack luster defensively, I think we conceded the 3rd most clearances in the league this year..

I disagree with that. I think our stoppage work was much better this year. Only once did we concede a bad run of goals. We did it about ten times in 2013

 

[Ford Fairlane]

In tailored repetitive training drills, the same way you improve any part of your game or play the way the coaches want. Under walsh, both times, we have had ythe best pressure, contested hands in the league. We tried under mcguiness, laidley and bRyan and couldnt do it.

Wecant talk him/our assistants up all year then claim they bring nothing to the table when they look at getting a promotion elsewhere. But, i am confident if he does go we can find another assistant that can improve our midfield again

I'm not sure that he has a patent on repetitive hand skill drills - John Cahill was doing that 20 years ago. Whether he is creating elite hand skills is another matter. Robbie Gray has elite hands but that is a unique ability to him. Nature vs nurture and all that. And how much has he contributed to Port's improvement this year? It's not easily measurable.

I think you are creating a straw man argument, I've never said he brings nothing to the table, in fact I've posted several times that he is a terrific assistant coach and fine football brain.

But I've also repeatedly said that we can replace him in a our excellent football coaching team.

 

[*PAF]

Right or wrong I don't know but whilst Laidley was here we tried to get flashy players to do the basics but it turned out to be at the expense of what made them special.
You don't get to far with all cream and no cake but no matter how good the cake is you will not win any ribbons without the cream.

Hinkley and co are making sure our foundations are there but doing it in a way where we do not lose any of the natural skills and creativity that they players have.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I'm not debating who is the biggest influence etc, just saying that Walsh is quality. Wrt WCE's midfield while he was there I don't think their output Vs quality was ever questioned.
Unknown what he will be like as a head coach but I don't think he has anything to prove as an assistant.

And I have never said he isn't quality in his role. I've said it more than once.

I'm just not convinced he played a huge role in our improvement in 2014 and I think he can be replaced in our coaching team.

 

[*PAF]

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... in fact I've posted several times that he is a terrific assistant coach and fine football brain.

But I've also repeatedly said that we can replace him in a our excellent football coaching team.

In that case I fail to see what the issue is as Macca, myself and others are saying the same thing.

 

[proman_x]

Yeah, but the way they're flashing cash around, the Crows job probably pays better.

Doesn't matter if they are offering him Kangaroo Island as a sweetener, that's just my view on things.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

In that case I fail to see what the issue is as Macca, myself and others are saying the same thing.

I've been clear on that throughout this debate. You guys keep quoting me, I don't know why.

Macca19 started talking about how 'we' can't say he brings nothing to the table. I never said that.

 

[*PAF]

I've been clear on that throughout this debate. You guys keep quoting me, I don't know why.

Yeah I've only just noticed that.

The debate is with people that are saying he is crap or grossly overrated not with the ones posting that he is replaceable. He is.

 

[Macca19]

I've been clear on that throughout this debate. You guys keep quoting me, I don't know why.

Macca19 started talking about how 'we' can't say he brings nothing to the table. I never said that.

No, but others have questioned what traits he brought to the table. I offered an opinion on what those traits are

 

[Jim Dixon]

Hopefully Adelaide's first 3 games in 2015 will be St Kilda in Adelaide, GWS in Adelaide and Melbourne at the MCG. A 0-3 start for the new coach wouldn't sit too well with the Crows faithful.....

Slightly edited for comic effect.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Yeah I've only just noticed that.

The debate is with people that are saying he is crap not that he is replaceable.

He's not crap, he's a very good assistant. I've had the pleasure of talking with him at a Port function and he's extremely knowledgeable and patient with fans who think they know something. Whether he translates well to the front man role in the Adelaide goldfish bowl, who knows.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Said it before and will say it again - Budha is one of the best mid fielders I have ever seen. Hard as nails, beautiful skills. Had a great left foot years before Aker was credited with being amazing on his left foot. You dont win 4 best and fairest at Geelong in that 1990's era and 4 All Australian selections in the mid field and get into the hall of fame unless you are a decent mid fielder.

In his 5 seasons at Port he has never been our mid field coach. Hes been a develolment coach, a forward coach and now Maggies head coach. Budha to replace Walsh oas our mid field coach has to be a big chance.r

 

[Ford Fairlane]

No, but others have questioned what traits he brought to the table. I offered an opinion on what those traits are

Granted but you quoted me when you said that which I felt misrepresented my position which has been clear.

That sort of linguistic slackness might be ok in Port Pirie but it doesn't cut it here.