Pick 14

[Taylor]

I still want O'Reilly. I think we can afford to carry an extra local tall when Pearce, Taberner, Dixon, Apeness, Duman, Nyhuis, Ryan and Cox are all interstate players.

 

[Joao]

Would of been interesting if Tom Joyce had been fit this year he would of been considered a prospective pick 14....didn't look out of place as an under ager last year in the state champs....be interesting to see if Freo or anyone else pulls the trigger on the kid......out of interest with all Freo's tall is O'Reilly even a want now?

This is really unpopular on here but I am 100% sure that this boards fascination with O'Reilly is purely name related. Not saying he can't play a bit but if he was D.Smith from Metro nobody here would want a bar of him.

I don't think we would have been that into him (with a ND pick) anyway. Definitely not now unless he would make a good defender.

I expect 4 mids/smalls or possibly 3 + KPD

 

[Freezin]

I still want O'Reilly. I think we can afford to carry an extra local tall when Pearce, Taberner, Dixon, Apeness, Duman, Nyhuis, Ryan and Cox are all interstate players.

Interesting than to see local boy Strnadica get delisted then.....2 years development put into him, seemed to be improving rather than regressing....can't see Freo drafting anything tall TBH.....think landing Lobb and Hogan has put paid to any chance O'Reilly getting drafted by Freo atleast....reckon WCE would have more of a need for the kid...especially with JK getting on.

 

[Taylor]

Interesting than to see local boy Strnadica get delisted then.....2 years development put into him, seemed to be improving rather than regressing....can't see Freo drafting anything tall TBH.....think landing Lobb and Hogan has put paid to any chance O'Reilly getting drafted by Freo atleast....reckon WCE would have more of a need for the kid...especially with JK getting on.

I think West Coast do too, but I wouldn't compare Strnadica and O'Reilly except in that they are both contested marking tall players. I don't think Luke has the athleticism.

 

[jerms]

This is really unpopular on here but I am 100% sure that this boards fascination with O'Reilly is purely name related. Not saying he can't play a bit but if he was D.Smith from Metro nobody here would want a bar of him.

I don't think we would have been that into him (with a ND pick) anyway. Definitely not now unless he would make a good defender.

I expect 4 mids/smalls or possibly 3 + KPD

As compared to the McGoverns, where there was a lack of interest/fascination. That sure turned out well...

 

[sherrif]

As compared to the McGoverns, where there was a lack of interest/fascination. That sure turned out well...

The other thing O'Reilly potentially could have in common with Jeremy is that after playing mostly forward as a juniour he becomes batter in a strong marking loose defender role in his senior career. Ive read O'Rielly has played some games as a defender later on in the year at Colts level. If we get two mids we rate in the first two picks I could still see us potentially drafting him with the pick 43 still. As far as genuine tall defenders we have Pearce/Hamling and Cox (who could well be a better forward than defender long term) really with Logue, and Kersten (to a degree) also capable of playing on talls. That's not much depth at all

 

[jerms]

The other thing O'Reilly potentially could have in common with Jeremy is that after playing mostly forward as a juniour he becomes batter in a strong marking loose defender role in his senior career. Ive read O'Rielly has played some games as a defender later on in the year at Colts level. If we get two mids we rate in the first two picks I could still see us potentially drafting him with the pick 43 still.

I haven't watched loads of him from over here, but a few full games at least. He definitely seems to that early judgment of the ball flight that makes Jeremy so depressingly good against us.

 

[jerms]

Clark, Hately and Stocker all off the board before our first (currently pick 16 after bids) in the BF Phantom.

 

[Nodgey]

They really need to remove the games limit for F/S selections now. I'd love to see Steve O'Reilly's son turn out for us.

 

[Joao]

As compared to the McGoverns, where there was a lack of interest/fascination. That sure turned out well...

So just because the McGoverns had talent and we passed we have to take every other son of a former player? That is ridiculous logic. He is a later selection worth a look if you need 2nd/3rd forwards (we don't).

If he is good, you draft him. If not, don't. Sure you'll get some wrong but it is no different than any other draftee.

Despite what this board seems to think, the other 16 clubs passing on McGovern is no different than us passing on them considering they would both have been rookie picks in their draft years. Everyone here just works themselves into a frenzy because we think his name makes a difference where it frankly doesn't. Professional organisations aren't run like that and nor should they be.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

So just because the McGoverns had talent and we passed we have to take every other son of a former player? That is ridiculous logic. He is a later selection worth a look if you need 2nd/3rd forwards (we don't).

If he is good, you draft him. If not, don't. Sure you'll get some wrong but it is no different than any other draftee.

Despite what this board seems to think, the other 16 clubs passing on McGovern is no different than us passing on them considering they would both have been rookie picks in their draft years. Everyone here just works themselves into a frenzy because we think his name makes a difference where it frankly doesn't. Professional organisations aren't run like that and nor should they be.

How about ignoring home grown players throughout many drafts and then offering good to big money and draft picks to lure them back?

It works both ways and to think that Freo could have picked J Gov up at the end of the national draft or early rookie for practically nothing while we drafted some very speculative players is hard to take.

 

[Clems Knee]

Jeremy McGovern was also a very speculative player.

 

[Joao]

How about ignoring home grown players throughout many drafts and then offering good to big money and draft picks to lure them back?

It works both ways and to think that Freo could have picked J Gov up at the end of the national draft or early rookie for practically nothing while we drafted some very speculative players is hard to take.

Yeah of course we could have like any other gun rookie player.

My point is, the fascination with players over their name is pointless. It is no worse to overlook JGov than Rampe in the ND (leaving aside that Gov is better as Rampe is plenty good enough).

In fact I will go one step further, complaining about ANY player we didn't draft is pointless and it is definitely not a reason to draft another player. You pick players on their ability and character full stop. Their name and state is completely irrelevant (unless you need a tie-breaker between 2 similarly ranked players). We'll get some right and some wrong like 17 other clubs.

 

[Spirit Level]

FF Lobb Cox Hill
HF Walters Hogan Tabs

Swap Tabs for McCarthy and you're spot on

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Swap Tabs for McCarthy and you're spot on

I personally think Tabs is at the present a better player but an happy for Cam to step up after a huge preseason

 

[SHill Shall]

I trust Chris25 opinion over Knightmare.. just my personal opinion based on reading their posts, and seeing who they are talking about playing.

Knightmare does make himself a big target with some of his comparisons off limited vision.

Their different opinion of Collingwood's Stephenson sticks out as a major plus for our man!!

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Yeah of course we could have like any other gun rookie player.

My point is, the fascination with players over their name is pointless. It is no worse to overlook JGov than Rampe in the ND (leaving aside that Gov is better as Rampe is plenty good enough).

In fact I will go one step further, complaining about ANY player we didn't draft is pointless and it is definitely not a reason to draft another player. You pick players on their ability and character full stop. Their name and state is completely irrelevant (unless you need a tie-breaker between 2 similarly ranked players). We'll get some right and some wrong like 17 other clubs.

Freo's poor selections over the years in not all but many drafts has kept us in the bottom half/third of the ladder most seasons. Now is no exception

Excuses doesn't cut it

 

[Joao]

Freo's poor selections over the years in not all but many drafts has kept us in the bottom half/third of the ladder most seasons. Now is no exception

Excuses doesn't cut it

Poor previous drafting doesn't dictate that you take draftees because their name is O'Reilly. Literally the only thing that matters is the individual prospect's ability and character.

I would even argue that picking someone because of their name would be a super example of poor drafting.

Also posting on a forum isn't holding anyone accountable. If that is your goal you need to vote with your feet or take it up with the club in writing.

 

[Eski3]

Jeremy McGovern was also a very speculative player.

McGovern was fat as ****, the fact that even the Eagles didn't want to use a national draft pick on him says it all. It obviously worked out and he pulled his finger out but lets not forget that the Eagles actually drafted Jacob Brennan and Lewis Stevenson ahead of him, as well as Tim Houlihan and Anton Hamp

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Poor previous drafting doesn't dictate that you take draftees because their name is O'Reilly. Literally the only thing that matters is the individual prospect's ability and character.

I would even argue that picking someone because of their name would be a super example of poor drafting.

Also posting on a forum isn't holding anyone accountable. If that is your goal you need to vote with your feet or take it up with the club in writing.

I never said Freo should draft on name alone

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Yeah of course we could have like any other gun rookie player.

My point is, the fascination with players over their name is pointless. It is no worse to overlook JGov than Rampe in the ND (leaving aside that Gov is better as Rampe is plenty good enough).

In fact I will go one step further, complaining about ANY player we didn't draft is pointless and it is definitely not a reason to draft another player. You pick players on their ability and character full stop. Their name and state is completely irrelevant (unless you need a tie-breaker between 2 similarly ranked players). We'll get some right and some wrong like 17 other clubs.

Fascination is warranted when the boys are from WA, shown good potential - doesn’t need to be outstanding, progressing through the from Colts - Ressies - League.
Massive and I believe far too great value is placed on TAC underage comp when ranking all draftees.
Our problem with drafting in the past has been drafting too many interstate player when there have been great talent under our nose - fascination with populist opinion generated by a centralised VFL.
O’Reilly has great potential and a Freo name, it would be madness to dismiss him or any other WA talent based on lack of exposure to so called phantom draft experts.

 

[Joao]

I never said Freo should draft on name alone

Then why enter the conversation with me? Literally the only thing I was arguing was that we shouldn't select O'Reilly because of his name.

Fascination is warranted when the boys are from WA, shown good potential - doesn’t need to be outstanding, progressing through the from Colts - Ressies - League.
Massive and I believe far too great value is placed on TAC underage comp when ranking all draftees.
Our problem with drafting in the past has been drafting too many interstate player when there have been great talent under our nose - fascination with populist opinion generated by a centralised VFL.
O’Reilly has great potential and a Freo name, it would be madness to dismiss him or any other WA talent based on lack of exposure to so called phantom draft experts.

I know it is fashionable to tow the VFL bias crap, but I don't believe it. All AFL level decisions are made with $$$$ in mind and make no mistake they would f*** over the Pies and Tigers if it meant more money.

In club land I give it even less credence. For each good WA prospect we miss, we miss 2 or 3 Vic ones because they have 2-3x more players than us. Just because everyone ignores it or doesn't focus on it doesn't mean it is not there.

Unlike fans, professionals generally (not always) aren't emotionally driven so we will take the best prospects for us. We may stuff it up all the time but the solution isn't "draft every WA player". I have no doubt they have watched him and all the other WA prospects like they do the Vic, SA, NSW, QLD, Tas prospects. Then from there you select the best. The name is completely f***ing irrelevant.

If you are aiming the claim at me, my rating of him has nothing to do with the phantom draft experts. I watched the championships and said at the time I don't know how he gets separation from AFL standard KPDs with regularity. He is not that tall or quick, he is relying on contested marking in wrestling contests or perhaps leads. He is a later prospect, IN MY OPINION, and is certainly not a need with our current list (unless he can play defense). I am sure he won't be best available at 14, 31 or 43 and at 65 I still think we pass as we have greater positional needs.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Then why enter the conversation with me? Literally the only thing I was arguing was that we shouldn't select O'Reilly because of his name.

I know it is fashionable to tow the VFL bias crap, but I don't believe it. All AFL level decisions are made with $$$$ in mind and make no mistake they would f*** over the Pies and Tigers if it meant more money.

In club land I give it even less credence. For each good WA prospect we miss, we miss 2 or 3 Vic ones because they have 2-3x more players than us. Just because everyone ignores it or doesn't focus on it doesn't mean it is not there.

Unlike fans, professionals generally (not always) aren't emotionally driven so we will take the best prospects for us. We may stuff it up all the time but the solution isn't "draft every WA player". I have no doubt they have watched him and all the other WA prospects like they do the Vic, SA, NSW, QLD, Tas prospects. Then from there you select the best. The name is completely f***ing irrelevant.

If you are aiming the claim at me, my rating of him has nothing to do with the phantom draft experts. I watched the championships and said at the time I don't know how he gets separation from AFL standard KPDs with regularity. He is not that tall or quick, he is relying on contested marking in wrestling contests or perhaps leads. He is a later prospect, IN MY OPINION, and is certainly not a need with our current list (unless he can play defense). I am sure he won't be best available at 14, 31 or 43 and at 65 I still think we pass as we have greater positional needs.

Because posters don't want him just on his name but his potential. The same potential and traits that saw J Gov who has now excelled.

He may be a star he may not but he has plenty of potential and is worth considering due to a number of reasons.

 

[Scham]

McGovern was fat as ****, the fact that even the Eagles didn't want to use a national draft pick on him says it all. It obviously worked out and he pulled his finger out but lets not forget that the Eagles actually drafted Jacob Brennan and Lewis Stevenson ahead of him, as well as Tim Houlihan and Anton Hamp

Who did we take before selecting him?

Oh wait....

 

[Joao]

Because posters don't want him just on his name but his potential. The same potential and traits that saw J Gov who has now excelled.

He may be a star he may not but he has plenty of potential and is worth considering due to a number of reasons.

So now has talent comparably to JGov? Let's just leave this alone hey? Nothing to be gained here.