Player Watch Pick #49 (2020) - Ollie Lord

[Jimmy95]

How many key forwards are shoddy kicks at goal these days? I'd say most of them. Those that are shoddy rarely improve either. The only couple I can think of that have actually improved their previously shoddy set shot accuracy is Toddy and maybe Casboult.

It's extraordinary that key forwards can't reliably perform the most fundamental part of their position......regularly kick set shot goals.

It kills a team having these big doofuses regularly burning set shots. Killed us yesterday.

Tredrea was unique in that he would work his butt off to improve, spend his private time working on his deficiencies. Today's footballers would rather put in only the bare mimimum at the club and spend the rest of their time on the golf course.

 

[TheTruthBeTold]

If I could pick one player to play for Port for one year the two players at the top of my list are James Sicily

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James Sicily

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

and Darcy Moore

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Darcy Moore

Age

29

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

. Having a swing man who can play defence or attack is so valuable. It is interesting both of these players started as forwards.

 

[PowerLil]

ok boomer

Please do not associate that brainless twit thunderdud with boomers.

 

[raptalia]

How many key forwards are shoddy kicks at goal these days? I'd say most of them. Those that are shoddy rarely improve either. The only couple I can think of that have actually improved their previously shoddy set shot accuracy is Toddy and maybe Casboult.

It's extraordinary that key forwards can't reliably perform the most fundamental part of their position......regularly kick set shot goals.

It kills a team having these big doofuses regularly burning set shots. Killed us yesterday.

Tredrea was unique in that he would work his butt off to improve, spend his private time working on his deficiencies. Today's footballers would rather put in only the bare mimimum at the club and spend the rest of their time on the golf course.

Yes, for professional sportsmen earning upward of 400k a year their kicking at goal is abysmal. Some players do not look confident when they line up to take a shot on goal.

 

[bomberclifford]

If I could pick one player to play for Port for one year the two players at the top of my list are James Sicily and Darcy Moore. Having a swing man who can play defence or attack is so valuable. It is interesting both of these players started as forwards.

I’d go Maynard.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You can absolutely completely rebuild a set shot routine from the ground up.

It's just muscle memory. Sportspeople adjust their techniques all the time.

You can train it by definition. You just need a coach who knows how to build a routine and get it to stick.

 

[JimmyBC]

You can absolutely completely rebuild a set shot routine from the ground up.

It's just muscle memory. Sportspeople adjust their techniques all the time.

You can train it by definition. You just need a coach who knows how to build a routine and get it to stick.

Yea you can that wasn't Butcher's issue though, his was ingrained technique including a shocking ball drop with the ball sometimes rotating before it hit his boot.

It's pushing shit uphill when it comes from childhood, whoever coached Butch in early juniors should be shot.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Yea you can that wasn't Butcher's issue though, his was ingrained technique including a shocking ball drop with the ball sometimes rotating before it hit his boot.

It's pushing s**t uphill when it comes from childhood, whoever coached Butch in early juniors should be shot.

Wasn't it his father??

 

[Jimmy95]

If goal kicking can be fixed with training and routine then why are there so many full time forwards that are terrible set shots? Clubs don't care?

With budget soft caps, any money paid to a kicking coach like Schulz probably means less money for the other coaches and they're not going to agree to that.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Yea you can that wasn't Butcher's issue though, his was ingrained technique including a shocking ball drop with the ball sometimes rotating before it hit his boot.

It's pushing s**t uphill when it comes from childhood, whoever coached Butch in early juniors should be shot.

Butcher always had a bad set shot technique but he wasn't shinning tumblepunts sideways out on the full for the first 10-15 games of his career. You only get that bad through mental disintegration.

Lord is the same, his technique isn't good and needs work but the club need to get onto it, get a specialist set shot coach and like TeeKray said, have him do it an hour+ a day until it's like clockwork./

Butcher was what happens when you have someone with a dodgy set shot technique, flatly refuse to address it, allow the media narrative to go absolutely insane about it to build an enormous amount of extra pressure, then start dropping him when he's playing well outside of goalkicking so the pressure compounds.

The management of Butcher was absolutely sickening when you consider we had the best set shot in the league on our list and he tried to help and was knocked back by the club.

Lord has plenty of very good qualities and could play 200 AFL games, but he won't if we handle his set shot issues the same way we have with Butcher and Georgiades.

 

[JUSTWORK]

You can absolutely completely rebuild a set shot routine from the ground up.

It's just muscle memory. Sportspeople adjust their techniques all the time.

You can train it by definition. You just need a coach who knows how to build a routine and get it to stick.

Or just a coach who's willing to bring in outside help. Either of Tredrea or Shultz could be asked to comedown and work with Lord (and MG) to help them refine their technique...

Wonder why that hasn't happened?

 

[Jimmy95]

Is there any club that that has recently employed the services of a specialist goal kicking coach? With a budget soft cap on coaching costs I doubt any club will do it.

The player should invest in themselves and pay for it out of their own pocket, it would be a wise investment. If georgiadis and lord paid a few grand for the services of a kicking coach they may recoup the costs 10 20 or 30 times over with more lucrative contracts in the future.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The thing about yesterday is that the course of the game could have looked quite different if Lord, Marshall or Farrell had been accurate with their shots on goal early in the match. It may have played out like the last three weeks where we were clearly the worse side in the first halves but stayed close enough to launch an assault at some stage after HT.
Instead we never got the margin back under 5 goals. To a large extent this was really poor midfield and backline defending and haemorrhaging of easy inside 50 marks and scores. But it also came down to not taking chances when we had them. Snaps from 35m out that didn’t clear the goal square and set shots that missed by plenty. It was contagious.

Lord, Farrell and Marshall kick four of the six straight forward set shots they had between them, and we’re looking at a 2 goal margin deficit in the third quarter instead of a 5 goal one going into 3QT.

It’s a shame because in some ways that was the best field game Lord has played at any level this year. He just butchered really simple opportunities.

I had a text conversation with my Carlton mate in Sydney over the game. He had a family commitment, got home around 7.30 and sent me a text and said what the **** happened. I said basically we kicked crap for goal, Carlton as a result got to 5 or 6 goals up and the game stayed in that 4-6 goal range for the rest of the match, which was the majority and carlton kicked 3 unanswered goals in the last quarter to make it 8 goal margin. I did tell him after that that we had 7 changes and he was surprised, but he said McKay and Curnow and a few others had done what we had, with crap goal kicking and it basically meant they couldn't win games between Rds 5 and 14.

Bad kicking is bad football, is a cliche for a very good reason.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If his action was fundamently flawed like Butch then a fix is very difficult, but he action isnt that poor, the prob is with fitness, composure, routine at this higher level.

His ball drop must be the problem because his really bad kicks the ball doesn't even spin properly. The one he hit the post with, he kicked properly, but he almost ran in a straight line with the goal post.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

I know it's BigFooty but the hyperbole in this thread is utterly laughable. I'm going to attribute it to John Butcher

John Butcher

Age

33

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.6

5star

PTSD.

 

[TeeKray]

I know it's BigFooty but the hyperbole in this thread is utterly laughable. I'm going to attribute it to John Butcher PTSD.

Not nearly as laughable as the goalkicking of a professional footballer at the weekend.

It's obvious his kicking is a serious deficiency that undoes the good work he does in the air. It's an eminently fixable problem but to say it's not a problem is fantasy.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Is there any club that that has recently employed the services of a specialist goal kicking coach? With a budget soft cap on coaching costs I doubt any club will do it.

The player should invest in themselves and pay for it out of their own pocket, it would be a wise investment. If georgiadis and lord paid a few grand for the services of a kicking coach they may recoup the costs 10 20 or 30 times over with more lucrative contracts in the future.

We didn't do it even when there was room in the soft cap. Even if we have to pay the tax for exceeding the football department soft cap spend, even though with our coaching panel that seems unlikely, it's not really acceptable to not do it. Kicking goals is needed to win games and winning games is needed to win premierships. It is the core business of the football club.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Not nearly as laughable as the goalkicking of a professional footballer at the weekend.

It's obvious his kicking is a serious deficiency that undoes the good work he does in the air. It's an eminently fixable problem but to say it's not a problem is fantasy.

Id love to escape criticism at a sales job where i get lots of leads on the line generated by development guys, but fail to land any.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Look forward to him being 100kg next season and planting a knee into the ribs of the McGoverns in a "marking contest".

 

[1954]

There is unfortunately a very real risk Ollie Lord could eventually fall by the wayside, and even become another Butch if the club can't sort out his goal kicking.

Regular key forwards need to be dead eye dicks from set shots more often than not, just from our club alone blokes like Rex Johns, Wally Dittmar, Eric Freeman and later Tim Evans and Scott Hodges were very reliable set shots, and if they did miss it usually wasn't by much.
As much as it pains me to say this the bloke who could sometimes be a tad unreliable from set shots when he played as a key forward was arguably our greatest ever player in Russell Ebert, but I guess he had to have one weakness.

No doubt there will be those who will suggest it was only the snafl where those named performed their goal kicking feats, but that comp today is not even a shadow of what it once was and eg the Port, Sturt, Norwood, and North teams from back then would have kicked their current incarnations off the park by cricket scores, and plenty of their games were played in front of big crowds, particularly in finals so they would have been under plenty of pressure to perform.

Back to the current problem with Ollie, hopefully he will get the specialist coaching he needs, but in the mean time you would hope he is doing plenty of practice both before and after training and also in his own time.

 

[TazD]

Trade him to Geelong for nothing and watch him turn into a sniper.

 

[JimmyBC]

Jeez there's a lot of doom being posted on a sub 10 game baby KPF.

Take a breath.

 

[simba_]

well he did display one of the worst set shots in PAFC history

 

[Schulzenfest]

Jeez there's a lot of doom being posted on a sub 10 game baby KPF.

Take a breath.

Every failed KPF was once a sub 10 game KPF. Pretending that there's nothing to be concerned out is silly. Especially given that a KPF drafted late in the third round is up against it to make it at AFL level at the best of times.

 

[JimmyBC]

Every failed KPF was once a sub 10 game KPF. Pretending that there's nothing to be concerned out is silly. Especially given that a KPF drafted late in the third round is up against it to make it at AFL level at the best of times.

You can't be balanced on this you've wanted him delisted from the get-go & can't acknowledge anything he does well at all.