Opinion Pick 5* 2024 – Who do you want? (profiles and consensus rankings included)

[Scythe94]

Just whipped up some 'consensus' rankings:

 

[Crusty Demon]

I think we're just bluffing North to take him at 2. Like we bluffed Dons into thinking we'd bid on Kako to get their 9

Can 100% see Norf taking him at 2. They don't need mids.

 

[stavro#4]

I knew some club would reach for him, but i didn't expect it to be us at 5. Obviously we've got wind that he won't be at our pick 9. If Smith or Draper is there at 5 then we'd be mad to go this path.

Who knows.

I’ll share the other bit of info I shared on my board about the source of info.

He is ex North and ex Gippsland power. His boys are in the younger power age groups.

So it’s likely he has wind of something.

It will be interesting to see who blinks. I wouldn’t discredit the source ultimately.

 

[Scythe94]

Using Pick 5 on an intercept defender would be dumb, regardless of his potential.

 

[stavro#4]

Using Pick 5 on an intercept defender would be dumb, regardless of his potential.

The player doesn’t see himself as an intercept defender. Thinks he could play key forward.

Did so late in the year to decent results.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Who knows.

I’ll share the other bit of info I shared on my board about the source of info.

He is ex North and ex Gippsland power. His boys are in the younger power age groups.

So it’s likely he has wind of something.

It will be interesting to see who blinks. I wouldn’t discredit the source ultimately.

I have no doubt he's in the mix. Looks like a gun. Can't wait for the melts on here when we call out his name lol

 

[stavro#4]

I have no doubt he's in the mix. Looks like a gun. Can't wait for the melts on here when we call out his name lol

I can’t remember which one of these games it was. But he only played at one end of the ground. So was key forward one quarter key back the next because of the gale it was blowing.

 

[Scythe94]

The player doesn’t see himself as an intercept defender. Thinks he could play key forward.

Did so late in the year to decent results.

Regardless, midfield should must be our priority. Happy to explore something else with the second pick.

 

[Fork n Hell]

somehow i can see us being interested in a defender who can go forward.

 

[Demon 16]

Using Pick 5 on an intercept defender would be dumb, regardless of his potential.

Not sure I agree entirely.

We definitely need to bulk up the midfield with different types than we already have.

We do need another young tall though and ideally it’s a defender - plus you can see what it costs clubs to trade in a B grade tall defender in recent years, they are worth a fortune.

 

[Scythe94]

Not sure I agree entirely.

We definitely need to bulk up the midfield with different types than we already have.

We do need another young tall though and ideally it’s a defender - plus you can see what it costs clubs to trade in a B grade tall defender in recent years, they are worth a fortune.

Top 10 picks who were KPDs over recent years, and whether they were worth it:

2023
Dan Curtin (not really a true KPD): TBA
2022
Nil
2021
Mac Andrew: Tick
Josh Gibcus: TBA due to injuries
2020
Denver Grainger-Barrass: Bust
Zac Reid: Heading toward bust
2019
Fisher McAsey: Bust
2018
Nil
2017
Nil
2016
Griffin Logue: Bust
2015
Jacob Weitering: Tick
Aaron Francis: Bust
2014
Darcy Moore: Tick (but FS)
2013
Matthew Scharenberg: Bust
2012
Nil

So in 12 years, there's been three KPDs drafted in the top 10 that were worthwhile.

Meanwhile, you've got gun KPDs/intercept types like McGovern (rookie), Sicily (Pick 56), Stewart (Pick 40), Wilkie (rookie), Taylor (Pick 28), Allir (Pick 44) and Andrews (Pick 61).

I get what you're saying re KPDs, I just strongly believe that passing up a potential star mid to reach for a third-tall at Pick 5 is not the way to do it. I'll back JT, but it seems a very easy call to take whoever is left out of the 'big five' mids. We've got something ridiculous like 13 KPPs on the list as is, anyway.

 

[the big lebowski]

Top 10 picks who were KPDs over recent years, and whether they were worth it:

2023
Dan Curtin (not really a true KPD): TBA
2022
Nil
2021
Mac Andrew: Tick
Josh Gibcus: TBA due to injuries
2020
Denver Grainger-Barrass: Bust
Zac Reid: Heading toward bust
2019
Fisher McAsey: Bust
2018
Nil
2017
Nil
2016
Griffin Logue: Bust
2015
Jacob Weitering: Tick
Aaron Francis: Bust
2014
Darcy Moore: Tick (but FS)
2013
Matthew Scharenberg: Bust
2012
Nil

So in 12 years, there's been three KPDs drafted in the top 10 that were worthwhile.

Meanwhile, you've got gun KPDs/intercept types like McGovern (rookie), Sicily (Pick 56), Stewart (Pick 40), Wilkie (rookie), Taylor (Pick 28), Allir (Pick 44) and Andrews (Pick 61).

I get what you're saying re KPDs, I just strongly believe that passing up a potential star mid to reach for a third-tall at Pick 5 is not the way to do it. I'll back JT, but it seems a very easy call to take whoever is left out of the 'big five' mids. We've got something ridiculous like 13 KPPs on the list as is, anyway.

Griffin Logue isn’t a bust

Naughton and Ben king missed as well

 

[Scythe94]

Griffin Logue isn’t a bust

Naughton and Ben king missed as well

He was for a top 10 pick, and for the team who drafted him.

Naughton and King play as forwards.

 

[Mich0]

People need to remember, if we stretch at 5 for a player it might actually bump another player we are keen on in the 6-8 range into our 9th pick so in the end it will be looking at it holistically.

 

[the big lebowski]

He was for a top 10 pick, and for the team who drafted him.

Naughton and King play as forwards.

He’s had injury issues but aside from those he finished 6th in freos best and fairest in his final year there, and was top 3 before having to be be moved forward which isn’t his go

Re king and naughton, given we are looking at tauru isn’t that even more relevant given his potential to play forward?

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

Using Pick 5 on an intercept defender would be dumb, regardless of his potential.

This probably won't make you feel better but Cal Twomey said that he had the potential to move into the midfield - feel like they say that about every athletic tall but maybe we see him there...

 

[Crusty Demon]

I trust JT. I still think we will go a mid at pick 5, but Tauru looks a beauty and can definitely see him used as a forward which might push Petty back hopefully. Could depend on who's available when it comes to our pick. If FOS, Smith and Draper are gone, I could see us reaching for Tauru. Smillie, Reid and Lindsay should be available at our pick 9. Still hoping Smith falls to 5.

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

I have no doubt he's in the mix. Looks like a gun. Can't wait for the melts on here when we call out his name lol

Haha, me too. I love having an opinion about who we take but I trust JT.

Tauru still fits the type of player I like for us - if it turns into picking Armstrong or Trainor or they take one of them at 9 I may have a mini melt about it though...

Tauru plus Reid/Lindsay/Hotton? I'm pretty happy.

 

[Grimey Sylvia]

I think we're just bluffing North to take him at 2. Like we bluffed Dons into thinking we'd bid on Kako to get their 9

I reckon there would be a bunch of head fakes and posturing going on behind the scenes. Cal usually has pretty good insight on who clubs are going to pick - he has most of the first round worked out by now most years but struggling this time.

He said on gettable that the evenness combined with most of the first round picks being held by a small group of teams has made clubs super tight lipped.

Every pick has flown on effects, particularly between us/tigers/saints from 5-11. Then tigers/GWS picks after that.

Just wait until draft night and teams start trying to trade up/down or in/out of this year's draft based on who is or isn't on the board. It's going to be a fun watch!

 

[tomcruise]

Top 10 picks who were KPDs over recent years, and whether they were worth it:

2023
Dan Curtin (not really a true KPD): TBA
2022
Nil
2021
Mac Andrew: Tick
Josh Gibcus: TBA due to injuries
2020
Denver Grainger-Barrass: Bust
Zac Reid: Heading toward bust
2019
Fisher McAsey: Bust
2018
Nil
2017
Nil
2016
Griffin Logue: Bust
2015
Jacob Weitering: Tick
Aaron Francis: Bust
2014
Darcy Moore: Tick (but FS)
2013
Matthew Scharenberg: Bust
2012
Nil

So in 12 years, there's been three KPDs drafted in the top 10 that were worthwhile.

Meanwhile, you've got gun KPDs/intercept types like McGovern (rookie), Sicily (Pick 56), Stewart (Pick 40), Wilkie (rookie), Taylor (Pick 28), Allir (Pick 44) and Andrews (Pick 61).

I get what you're saying re KPDs, I just strongly believe that passing up a potential star mid to reach for a third-tall at Pick 5 is not the way to do it. I'll back JT, but it seems a very easy call to take whoever is left out of the 'big five' mids. We've got something ridiculous like 13 KPPs on the list as is, anyway.

Scharenberg should've been a gun. That draft is surreal in hindsight.

Also Collingwood blowing two top 10 picks that would've been in their prime during their premiership year.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Haha, me too. I love having an opinion about who we take but I trust JT.

Tauru still fits the type of player I like for us - if it turns into picking Armstrong or Trainor or they take one of them at 9 I may have a mini melt about it though...

Tauru plus Reid/Lindsay/Hotton? I'm pretty happy.

Hotton could be anything. Maybe too risky but he could end up the best from this draft or a bust. Might depend who we take at 5. If we take Smith,I can see us taking a punt on Hotton

 

[Crusty Demon]

Top 10 picks who were KPDs over recent years, and whether they were worth it:

2023
Dan Curtin (not really a true KPD): TBA
2022
Nil
2021
Mac Andrew: Tick
Josh Gibcus: TBA due to injuries
2020
Denver Grainger-Barrass: Bust
Zac Reid: Heading toward bust
2019
Fisher McAsey: Bust
2018
Nil
2017
Nil
2016
Griffin Logue: Bust
2015
Jacob Weitering: Tick
Aaron Francis: Bust
2014
Darcy Moore: Tick (but FS)
2013
Matthew Scharenberg: Bust
2012
Nil

So in 12 years, there's been three KPDs drafted in the top 10 that were worthwhile.

Meanwhile, you've got gun KPDs/intercept types like McGovern (rookie), Sicily (Pick 56), Stewart (Pick 40), Wilkie (rookie), Taylor (Pick 28), Allir (Pick 44) and Andrews (Pick 61).

I get what you're saying re KPDs, I just strongly believe that passing up a potential star mid to reach for a third-tall at Pick 5 is not the way to do it. I'll back JT, but it seems a very easy call to take whoever is left out of the 'big five' mids. We've got something ridiculous like 13 KPPs on the list as is, anyway.

We don't have any low picks though to potentially grab any key defenders. I wouldn't even label Tauru as a key defender. More of a Naughton type. Can definitely see him playing forward. Has x factor written all over him.

Like I've said, a team will reach for him. No fear flying for the ball. Has shown he can play forward or defence. Looks like this year's bolter and we know JT loves a bolter. I'd still take Smith, FOS or Draper over him. Lalor or Langford maybe not.

 

[schmuttt]

I'm OK with trusting Taylor but geez they'd want to take a mid with at least one of the picks. A KPD is better than a KPF though for us long term, I'd rather Tauru at 5 and a mid at 9 than a mid at 5 and Armstrong at 9.

 

[Scythe94]

I'm OK with trusting Taylor but geez they'd want to take a mid with at least one of the picks. A KPD is better than a KPF though for us long term, I'd rather Tauru at 5 and a mid at 9 than a mid at 5 and Armstrong at 9.

Depends on who the mid is at #5 IMO.

If the equation ends up being Jagga and Armstrong vs Tauru and Smillie, give me Jagga by a mile.

 

[Demon 16]

I’m nervous that best available policy could leave us with Langford and Smilie..

 

[SugarHealey]

Using Pick 5 on an intercept defender would be dumb, regardless of his potential.

The player doesn’t see himself as an intercept defender. Thinks he could play key forward.

Did so late in the year to decent results.

Maybe the player (Tauru) is thought of as a possible midfield option, who can mark around the ground.?
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Anyway, I'm in the draft a midfielder gang. With leg speed.

There is two areas we are short on, small-forwards with leg speed... and strong marking medium-forward types.

BUT, I don't want one-dimensional small forwards, who cannot go into the inside midfield mix... or back.

And likewise, medium-forwards also must have other strings to they're bow.