Pick Swap Completed

[Nihilus]

What are you buggers up to?

Stephens, Gould, Day?

Gould has been talking to the Cows & Geelong
Day is a Suns supporter and wants to go to the suns
Stephens might be there but he could also be gone before pick 12 maybe to Freo or Melbourne

don't think we would target only South Australian players (that is currently the crows game plan)

 

[Nihilus]

Kemp, Rivers, Pickett?

or better still Kemp, A KPP & Pickett

 

[RossFC]

If we finish in roughly the same spot this year as next year, we've traded 10 for 16 and 29 for a couple of picks in the 50's. That's an insanely bad deal. And that's assuming we don't get any worse. Which we may very well do.

10 and 29 for 16 and 2 picks in the 50s is what I reckon it will end up being.

The interesting part is this draft was supposed to be crap, yet we've got 3 picks in the 1st round now.

 

[Macca19]

Last 'All In' was an extension of a failing coach for a record period of time. That went well.

This deal is a failure. The worst part is the wasted 4th rounders we have. 3 points wielding picks completely wasted. If we don't have a plan to trade them out before the draft, our entire efforts to build up those picks over the last 2 year's is a failure.

Yeah its really not. I dont understand this take at all

 

[Nihilus]

sorry to intrude on your board but I recall you had some info on Lukosius a while back. For the SA teams could it be read that with port trading out of next years 1st round, maybe they think that there is no chance Lukosius may be tempted back to Adelaide in the near term and are happy to run with just their F/S and NGA picks in the main?

It might come down to this -

If the Suns pick Will Day or Will Gould at 15 or 20 then that will add to the large amount of South Australians players currently at the club (10+) making more easier for the South Australian players picked to stay longer …
It will be more difficult to pry either Rankine or Luko away from the club in the short term (because of the bonding of the South Australian players), they wont have the same amount of home sickness compared to if their was only 3 or 4 of them

 

[Forzaport]

I think it's fairly well established that clubs do very well out of a trade with Port. We're shown our hand in that we're keen to trade up and we're constantly paying a premium for that privilege.

It is frustrating how we seem to trash 2nd and 3rd round picks as if they're nothing - it's been happening for a few years now. It's first round or bust I guess. I have to wonder if we would have done this trade if we weren't planning on trading Wines out at the end of next year. Ken's legacy right there. Scorched list.

 

[Macca19]

10 and 29 for 16 and 2 picks in the 50s is what I reckon it will end up being.

The interesting part is this draft was supposed to be crap, yet we've got 3 picks in the 1st round now.

correct, completely bypassing the shit that is the rest of the draft

 

[Macca19]

I think it's fairly well established that clubs do very well out of a trade with Port. We're shown our hand in that we're keen to trade up and we're constantly paying a premium for that privilege.

It is frustrating how we seem to trash 2nd and 3rd round picks as if they're nothing - it's been happening for a few years now. It's first round or bust I guess. I have to wonder if we would have done this trade if we weren't planning on trading Wines out at the end of next year. Ken's legacy right there. Scorched list.

Meh. Are we really complaining that the club is trying to improve it's draft hand as much as possible and playing to the strengths of specific drafts?

Last year we traded a lot of capital but got 3 good picks in an elite draft. I know i'd rather Rozee & Duursma than the combo of 20s/30s picks that got used to make those trades happen.

The year before we used nothing but later picks. We all have high hopes for Hayes, Farrell has shown a bit, Garner has shown a bit and Patmore could be anything.

This year in a shallow draft we've made sure we get 3 good picks + Mead.

I don't know, but I'd rather look at what we get and how we can use it as opposed to concentrating on what we gave up to make it happen.

 

[Chewy316]

Can someone please explain how we will have the points next year without having a first round pick to acquire both Schofield and Jones assuming they are 1st round bids? My knowledge of the points system is next to zilch.

 

[FishingRick04]

Who is Jones and their parents are?

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]

Who is Jones and their parents are?

NGA lad

 

[Ports1870]

Who is Jones and their parents are?

Lachlan Jones. We’ve got access to him as he’s an academy player for us.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I don't know, but I'd rather look at what we get and how we can use it as opposed to concentrating on what we gave up to make it happen.

Connor Rozee for pick 10 then?

 

[Macca19]

Can someone please explain how we will have the points next year without having a first round pick to acquire both Schofield and Jones assuming they are 1st round bids? My knowledge of the points system is next to zilch.

We've seen huge changes to our draft hand in each of the last 4 years so what we have right now for the end of next year probably doesn't matter, as recent history suggests we'll make plenty of changes.

But at this point, in your example of both being 1st round bids, then it would likely use up all our pick points and we'd go into deficit for our first rounder in 2021

 

[Coobk001]

I don't know, but I'd rather look at what we get and how we can use it as opposed to concentrating on what we gave up to make it happen.

Lol wut.

This is the epitome of happy clapper speak.



We've taken pick 6-12 And 29 and traded them for 16 and 52, 55. Losses on both counts.

Given we had 12, 18, 29, 66, 67, 68.
We now have 12, 16, 18, 52, 55, 66.

52 and 55 equate to about a 325 draft point increase on the 67 and 68 that we now can't use. If we look deeper into it, last year we gathered pick 66 and 67 from Pittard and Hombsch. As such given that we've now written off 67 and 68 by making them unusable, we effectively gave both away for nothing in 2018 unless we do further trades.

52 and 55 equate to a 325 point increase for our draft hand or 457 individually in total, and pick 29 equates to 653 points, so either way we really lost out big time on that trade. We should've been able to score at least an extra 2020 3rd/4th rounder from Brisbane in that trade.

Then we've got the first rounder trade out. Any internal measure should have Hinkley as likely to be sacked this year. How he could therefore be given a licence to start playing with future picks is beyond me. If we were getting a good return then fair enough, but we've already lost out big time in the other half of the deal and this part with the first rounder swap looks like we've paid overs again.

The point isn't that we didn't need to do deals around pick 29, the point is that these deals suck on so many levels.

 

[Schulzenfest]

We started with 10, 29, Howard, Ryder and a 2020 first rounder and turned it into 12, 16 and 18. **** me. Sack everyone.

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]

We started with 10, 29, Howard, Ryder and a 2020 first rounder and turned it into 12, 16 and 18. fu** me. Sack everyone.

Please delete Ryder from that, he's cooked.

 

[Tredrea_Wanganeen_Gray]

Please delete Ryder from that, he's cooked.

Even if he does delete it #sackeveryone

 

[bungalow_bill]

Holy shit this makes me nervous.

Too many nights staying up listening to Queen

 

[dirty2]

Now to overspend to get pick 7/8

 

[Schulzenfest]

Please delete Ryder from that, he's cooked.

Could've snagged a future pick for him to help us get Schofield and Jones next year though. If we hadn't bent over and handed St Kilda the lube.

 

[NEGAN]

Please delete Ryder from that, he's cooked.

And it's 12 16 18 + Mead.

 

[Schulzenfest]

And it's 12 16 18 + Mead.

For ****'s sake. We didn't 'gain' Mead. We already had exclusive access to him whether we'd made any trades or not. This is like people defending our trades last year by adding Lycett into the gains column.

 

[Malibu#27]

Could've snagged a future pick for him to help us get Schofield and Jones next year though. If we hadn't bent over and handed St Kilda the lube.

We did. We upgraded our future fourth to a future third.

 

[Forzaport]

Meh. Are we really complaining that the club is trying to improve it's draft hand as much as possible and playing to the strengths of specific drafts?

Last year we traded a lot of capital but got 3 good picks in an elite draft. I know i'd rather Rozee & Duursma than the combo of 20s/30s picks that got used to make those trades happen.

The year before we used nothing but later picks. We all have high hopes for Hayes, Farrell has shown a bit, Garner has shown a bit and Patmore could be anything.

This year in a shallow draft we've made sure we get 3 good picks + Mead.

I don't know, but I'd rather look at what we get and how we can use it as opposed to concentrating on what we gave up to make it happen.

I’m not comparing Rozee & Duursma to pucks in the 20s/30s, I’m wondering whether we could have had Rozee & Duursma + a pick in the 20s/30s.

I think it’s reasonable to ask whether we’re getting enough value from our 2nd and 3rd round picks. More than that, are we getting value from the players we’re trading out? A lot of capital has been given up in picks and players to secure those first rounders and more often than not I’m thinking we could have ended up with a stronger draft position had we been a little more patient.