Pick Swap Completed

[rocket18]

We may be thinking of something like swapping picks#12 and #18 for Melbourne's picks #10 and #28. That would leave us with #10, #16 and #28. Still seems too much to pay just to advance two spots in the pecking order. I suppose a play for a higher pick is a bridge too far? Maybe Freo's #8 pick is a more logical target? Whatever the ploy I hope we are not being too cute.

i guess we will have to wait until Draft night to find out.

Didn't you guys start this whole thing with 10 and 29?

It is hard keeping up with the comings and goings.

 

[Brian McGee]

Didn't you guys start this whole thing with 10 and 29?

It is hard keeping up with the comings and goings.

Haha yep. Would not be a very good move on our part. Dougs and next years first rounder for 16 if we did that. Ouch. 10 for 16 and 18 maybe a possibility, but even that’s paying a lot. Happy with our current hand.

 

[robbo1981]

Just keep what we've got will end up with 4 very good kids.

 

[manureid]

Just keep what we've got will end up with 4 very good kids.

It just feels like we have one more daft trade left in us.

 

[GoPorts]

Didn't you guys start this whole thing with 10 and 29?

It is hard keeping up with the comings and goings.

Yep I'm that scenario we would have given up Howard and next year's first for 16 and to move from 29 to 28

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Yep I'm that scenario we would have given up Howard and next year's first for 16 and to move from 29 to 28

worst part is, it just woudnt surprise me if it happened

 

[OneGreatClub]

We may be thinking of something like swapping picks#12 and #18 for Melbourne's picks #10 and #28. That would leave us with #10, #16 and #28. Still seems too much to pay just to advance two spots in the pecking order. I suppose a play for a higher pick is a bridge too far? Maybe Freo's #8 pick is a more logical target? Whatever the ploy I hope we are not being too cute.

i guess we will have to wait until Draft night to find out.

28 would be too risky regarding Mead

 

[raptalia]

That won’t happen.
If we did that then someone bids in mead at 20 or so and we lose 28.

As it stands we only have enough points outside of the first round to cover a #23 pick anyway.

I am not sure if the rules have changed recently but with discounts if a team made a bid of pick #20 we would need 715 points to match the bid. When I add our third and fourth round picks the total is 680. We can cover the Crows #22 or #23 picks but we would probably have to use the #18 pick if someone bid a pick#20.

I might have the sums wrong but the #28 pick plus the #66 pick would get us Mead if someone bid the #20 pick and we would have the #10 and #16 picks to get a couple of reasonable prospects plus picks #52 and #55.

It is all hypothetical and would depend on Melbourne taking, say #12 and #18 in exchange for the #10 and #28 pick, but I can see what Cripps, Davies and co are thinking. It will depend on the bids that come in for Mead.

 

[jack_black16]

Just keep what we've got will end up with 4 very good kids.

Could have a repeat of Butcher, Moore and Pittard.

 

[robbo1981]

Do we need to trade out 2 picks today or we lose them?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

As it stands we only have enough points outside of the first round to cover a #23 pick anyway.

I am not sure if the rules have changed recently but with discounts if a team made a bid of pick #20 we would need 715 points to match the bid. When I add our third and fourth round picks the total is 680. We can cover the Crows #22 or #23 picks but we would probably have to use the #18 pick if someone bid a pick#20.

I might have the sums wrong but the #28 pick plus the #66 pick would get us Mead if someone bid the #20 pick and we would have the #10 and #16 picks to get a couple of reasonable prospects plus picks #52 and #55.

It is all hypothetical and would depend on Melbourne taking, say #12 and #18 in exchange for the #10 and #28 pick, but I can see what Cripps, Davies and co are thinking. It will depend on the bids that come in for Mead.

Am I being obtuse? How can we use a pick that would be gone? Do we have to give the player back?

We use as many picks as we have open list spots. If it's not enough we will take a small deficit into next year.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Do we need to trade out 2 picks today or we lose them?

What?

We need picks to match any bids for Mead.

 

[JUSTWORK]

What?

We need picks to match any bids for Mead.

Isn’t there a rule, you can’t take in more point baring picks then you have lost spots open.

Meaning we’d need to package those 4 picks up and trade them up for 2 picks so we don’t lose any.

 

[raptalia]

Am I being obtuse? How can we use a pick that would be gone? Do we have to give the player back?

We use as many picks as we have open list spots. If it's not enough we will take a small deficit into next year.

F&S is new territory for most of us so the process is a first timer for many. Don't we nominate Mead as a F&S then wait while other clubs make a bid which we match? At least that was the way it used to work but the AFL keeps changing the rules and the process.

I wasn't aware that we were allowed a deficit, if we are is there a limit on the deficit we can carry over?

I am not advocating one deal over another simply pointing out there are a few scenarios and it will depend who we have our eyes on in the Draft and how high we think we need to be to get that player.

Isn’t there a rule, you can’t take in more point baring picks then you have lost spots open.

Meaning we’d need to package those 4 picks up and trade them up for 2 picks so we don’t lose any.

There probably is. As I posted elsewhere UniSA could easily open a degree course on AFL Draft rules.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

F&S is new territory for most of us so the process is a first timer for many. Don't we nominate Mead as a F&S then wait while other clubs make a bid which we match? At least that was the way it used to work but the AFL keeps changing the rules and the process.

I wasn't aware that we were allowed a deficit, if we are is there a limit on the deficit we can carry over?

I am not advocating one deal over another simply pointing out there are a few scenarios and it will depend who we have our eyes on in the Draft and how high we think we need to be to get that player.



There probably is. As I posted elsewhere UniSA could easily open a degree course on AFL Draft rules.

It's not like a blind auction where you put in bids pre-draft. Clubs bid when their pick comes around. If a club bids after our pick 18 we cover the points with the next available picks.

There appears to be no limit on the deficit you can carry into the next year. GWS could be carrying a huge deficit into next year.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11...-a-green-bid-will-cause-a-giant-draft-deficit

 

[Malibu#27]

As it stands we only have enough points outside of the first round to cover a #23 pick anyway.

I am not sure if the rules have changed recently but with discounts if a team made a bid of pick #20 we would need 715 points to match the bid. When I add our third and fourth round picks the total is 680. We can cover the Crows #22 or #23 picks but we would probably have to use the #18 pick if someone bid a pick#20.

I might have the sums wrong but the #28 pick plus the #66 pick would get us Mead if someone bid the #20 pick and we would have the #10 and #16 picks to get a couple of reasonable prospects plus picks #52 and #55.

It is all hypothetical and would depend on Melbourne taking, say #12 and #18 in exchange for the #10 and #28 pick, but I can see what Cripps, Davies and co are thinking. It will depend on the bids that come in for Mead.

By the time we get to that pick, GWS and Melbourne at least will have matched academy/father-son picks. This does a couple things:
a) moves those higher picks after 18 down a bit meaning they aren't as hard to match, and
b) our later picks probably come up a bit as GWS/Melbourne will have used multiple picks for points ahead of them

 

[robbo1981]

What?

We need picks to match any bids for Mead.

Isn’t there a rule, you can’t take in more point baring picks then you have lost spots open.

Meaning we’d need to package those 4 picks up and trade them up for 2 picks so we don’t lose any.

Yeah that's what I thought can't have more picks than list spots so that gives us 6 2 will be wasted.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Curious about this. We would be able to use 3 picks for points to match for Mead, so 52, 55, 66 currently. Then the rest in deficit for next year.

But Mead is only one player so we would still have two spots open on the list. So can we use 67 and 68 for players?

 

[raptalia]

Curious about this. We would be able to use 3 picks for points to match for Mead, so 52, 55, 66 currently. Then the rest in deficit for next year.

But Mead is only one player so we would still have two spots open on the list. So can we use 67 and 68 for players?

If we run at a points deficit next year and do not have a first round pick what does that do to our chances of securing Schofield as a F&S?

We should be able to use 67 and 68 if we want. We could opt to go into 2020 with a space on the Main list and look to fill that space in the mid season draft. We also moved Woodcock and Sutcliffe to the Rookie list so we might be able to elevate one or both back onto the Main List if the space is there. I am not really sure how the intricacies of this works.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

If we run at a points deficit next year and do not have a first round pick what does that do to our chances of securing Schofield as a F&S?

We should be able to use 67 and 68 if we want. We could opt to go into 2020 with a space on the Main list and look to fill that space in the mid season draft. We also moved Woodcock and Sutcliffe to the Rookie list so we might be able to elevate one or both back onto the Main List if the space is there. I am not really sure how the intricacies of this works.

Won't affect our ability to recruit Schofield. Wherever the bid comes in we start with the points for our round 2 pick (minus the deficit) as this is currently our first pick in the draft and add points from following round picks.

We also have to accumulate points for academy player Lachlan Jones.

 

[bomberclifford]

Curious about this. We would be able to use 3 picks for points to match for Mead, so 52, 55, 66 currently. Then the rest in deficit for next year.

But Mead is only one player so we would still have two spots open on the list. So can we use 67 and 68 for players?

The whole system is so convoluted. It's sub-rules and clauses added on top of each other to stop clubs and agents 'gaming' the system, but they end up creating more loopholes to be exploited.

I thought the whole point of the points system was to allow clubs to use a combination of lower picks to match a bid by another club for FS/Academy nominations. Of course clubs were going to stockpile the later picks to do this.

 

[raptalia]

Won't affect our ability to recruit Schofield. Wherever the bid comes in we start with the points for our round 2 pick (minus the deficit) as this is currently our first pick in the draft and add points from following round picks.

We also have to accumulate points for academy player Lachlan Jones.

If we want an Academy player as well we will need every point we can get. I guess that is next year but we need to be mind of it. There is always the chance we will trade a player or two for draft picks to make these deals possible.

 

[Janus]

It's not like a blind auction where you put in bids pre-draft. Clubs bid when their pick comes around. If a club bids after our pick 18 we cover the points with the next available picks.

There appears to be no limit on the deficit you can carry into the next year. GWS could be carrying a huge deficit into next year.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11...-a-green-bid-will-cause-a-giant-draft-deficit

The maximum deficit is the value of the picks the premiers would have - 18, 36 and 52, or 1733 points. They wanted to make it so that if you went into deficit to win the flag the following year you'd still have enough points to make up the difference.

 

[benblinkau]

Problem with this is, we traded out 2 first rounders, 10 and presumably 10-12 next year. Both earlier then the earliest pick this year. We also added in 29, Howard and Ryder. For what will be after academy bids 14, 18 and 20.

If you go by points value that values Howard at less then nothing, effectively we paid StKilda to take him.

Are you just rolling between multiple threads and hitting ‘copy’, then ‘paste’?


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[Coobk001]

Curious about this. We would be able to use 3 picks for points to match for Mead, so 52, 55, 66 currently. Then the rest in deficit for next year.

But Mead is only one player so we would still have two spots open on the list. So can we use 67 and 68 for players?

No.

We now have 12, 16, 18, 52, 55, 66.

The other 3 picks have been forfeited.

Once Mead is bid on we will get 2 picks at the very end of the draft, as we have 2 vacancies left, however as Parker has said, we won't be using them.