Picks For 2011

[Tom12]

Why would they change the setup? Because they said they would. But if you read my post it says they are looking for more of his outside mid role PLUS pushing forward.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/106188/default.aspx

Mitch Morton
Mitch went to the midfield halfway through last year, and towards the end of the season he played some really good footy for us as an outside mid. We're looking for that again, as well as him going forward. It's a big year for Mitch with the chance to solidify that spot.


Which points do you consider sceptical? Tigers whipping boy and mindset the jury's still out possibly, but the other 5 points are absolute fact and have to be considered when looking at a guy at his price.

I would've thought that it was straight forward that he might spend some time up forward. That's hardly defined as changing the set up, he's scored decently as a forward in the past so it's not too concerning if he can become a target.
You consider them, but those 5 games are worth looking at more than any other of his games. He performed well in that role, and you'd think at this stage that his primary role will be in the position where he excelled last season. There's plenty of other factors that could point to him struggling to maintain such a high output (similair to his scoring levels across those wing/midfield games), but I'm not assuming the coaching staff are decided on his role.

 

[54Dogs]

I would've thought that it was straight forward that he might spend some time up forward. That's hardly defined as changing the set up, he's scored decently as a forward in the past so it's not too concerning if he can become a target.
You consider them, but those 5 games are worth looking at more than any other of his games. He performed well in that role, and you'd think at this stage that his primary role will be in the position where he excelled last season. There's plenty of other factors that could point to him struggling to maintain such a high output (similair to his scoring levels across those wing/midfield games), but I'm not assuming the coaching staff are decided on his role.

I think we're pretty much on the same page, agree with a fair amount of what you're saying but with Morton, as with most mid pricers, the red flags need to be considered. For me, a guy who can't find a permanent place in bottom ranked teams after 5 years has some issues with his game. From watching him a fair bit he has some real problems working defensivly, maybe thats why he hasn't been able to hold down a regular place. Stood out like dogs balls when he tried tagging late last year, was absolutely terrible with no discipline. Still found the ball going forward but only worked one way. Maybe some Tigers fans (cue Jolldo) could confirm if this is still a problem which could raise problems with his job security.

From a games perspective, absolutely agree that the last 6 games are the most relevant but it's the size of the sample which is a worry. It's a Dalzielish size sample with similar late season scoring.

The late bye is neither here nor there as if you get him it's as a keeper. Mid / Low 70s players in the fwds are a worry as if they don't improve the 15 points you want it's a busted trade required.

I'm also a bit worried whether he and Houli can play the same role in the same team. Both earmarked for wing / high HF.

Not discounting Morton, he's on the radar but at best he's a NAB Cup watch.

Good discussion though, plenty of positives and red flags raised. Nice posting Ollies and T12

 

[favourites]

Its easy to pull down all midpricer picks. I mean if you mentioned Dale Thomas on this board last year you were laughed at and told he wasn't a dream teamer. I reckon if you are picking mid pricers the Fwds is the spot to do it. They are volatile scorers which means they usually fluctuate the most in price. Throughout the whole of my dream team career there has always been a cheap priced fwd worth jumping on midseason. Rok 2 yes ago. Sylvia or Gia last year. What it means is if your midpricer fails there is usually a player within 100k for you to target not making it a huge error. Out of the bunch that was mentioned by ollies I think Morton is the puck of the bunch.

 

[mitchell12345]

just wondering what peoples thoughts are on adam goodes.
According to john longumire he is in career best shape.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/same-but-different-for-sydney/story-e6frf9jf-1225966014285

Speaking at a Swans family day at Port Melbourne yesterday, Longmire said dual Brownlow Medal winner Adam Goodes, 30, had returned to pre-season training in career-best shape.

thoughts?????

 

[swansfan51]

just wondering what peoples thoughts are on adam goodes.
According to john longumire he is in career best shape.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/same-but-different-for-sydney/story-e6frf9jf-1225966014285

Speaking at a Swans family day at Port Melbourne yesterday, Longmire said dual Brownlow Medal winner Adam Goodes, 30, had returned to pre-season training in career-best shape.

thoughts?????

I think his DT scores are as good as they are going to get, and I'd stay away. But in SuperCoach he is an extremely attractive option

 

[54Dogs]

Its easy to pull down all midpricer picks. I mean if you mentioned Dale Thomas on this board last year you were laughed at and told he wasn't a dream teamer. I reckon if you are picking mid pricers the Fwds is the spot to do it. They are volatile scorers which means they usually fluctuate the most in price. Throughout the whole of my dream team career there has always been a cheap priced fwd worth jumping on midseason. Rok 2 yes ago. Sylvia or Gia last year. What it means is if your midpricer fails there is usually a player within 100k for you to target not making it a huge error. Out of the bunch that was mentioned by ollies I think Morton is the puck of the bunch.

Is it about pulling them down or simply considering the potential risks?

 

[Jolldo87]

Maybe some Tigers fans (cue Jolldo) could confirm if this is still a problem which could raise problems with his job security.

Yep, he can't get away with that under Hardwick. With Wallace as coach he had fantastic job security but with Hardwick he has to have a defensive side to his game or he simply won't play. Definitely something to lookout for in the NAB cup.

I'm also a bit worried whether he and Houli can play the same role in the same team. Both earmarked for wing / high HF.

Honestly, I don't know enough about Houli to give an informed opinion on this. I guess like most things it's something to watch for during the NAB.

 

[Tom12]

I think we're pretty much on the same page, agree with a fair amount of what you're saying but with Morton, as with most mid pricers, the red flags need to be considered. For me, a guy who can't find a permanent place in bottom ranked teams after 5 years has some issues with his game. From watching him a fair bit he has some real problems working defensivly, maybe thats why he hasn't been able to hold down a regular place. Stood out like dogs balls when he tried tagging late last year, was absolutely terrible with no discipline. Still found the ball going forward but only worked one way. Maybe some Tigers fans (cue Jolldo) could confirm if this is still a problem which could raise problems with his job security.

From a games perspective, absolutely agree that the last 6 games are the most relevant but it's the size of the sample which is a worry. It's a Dalzielish size sample with similar late season scoring.

The late bye is neither here nor there as if you get him it's as a keeper. Mid / Low 70s players in the fwds are a worry as if they don't improve the 15 points you want it's a busted trade required.

I'm also a bit worried whether he and Houli can play the same role in the same team. Both earmarked for wing / high HF.

Not discounting Morton, he's on the radar but at best he's a NAB Cup watch.

Good discussion though, plenty of positives and red flags raised. Nice posting Ollies and T12

One to watch, and yep the NAB cup is the best place to look at for a better indicator of how he'll go.

 

[soreplums]

wallis or libba for a bench/ cash cow? How many games do you think each will play?

 

[Focal#32]

wallis or libba for a bench/ cash cow? How many games do you think each will play?

I'm a bit indifferent about both of them and am likely to not bother with either of them. Just don't see how they can get 10 games unless the Dogs get the number of injuries they got late last year.

They've added 'older' midfielders who are still capable of major contribution (Sherman and Djerkurra) and will need to give more midfield time to Callan Ward.
Wallis might be lucky enough to get a bench start early in the season, but I think Libba will get his debut later on in the year.

They are both going to be brilliant players, but I just don't see much opportunity for them. Maybe in a few years time when Boyd and Cross begin showing signs of their age.

 

[54Dogs]

wallis or libba for a bench/ cash cow? How many games do you think each will play?

Tough to know but prob just outside best 22 with a full list. That said, they've been in our system for 18 months already and with good Nab Cup form could easily break in. The other risk with this is not just getting a game but being in the best 20. Players 21 and 22 to get half a game each would most likely be rookie midfielders without the engine to run out a full game.

Wallis and Libba would be those players at the Dogs. Would be frustrating to see one of them on 45 at HT only to be subbed off.

 

[Docker Dolph]

Morton, Zaharakis, Varcoe, Jetta, Rioli, Garlett, Higgins, McAffer, Gray in roughly that order atm.

Throw Fyfe in your considerations Ollies, he's worth a look and isn't out of place amongst that group.

 

[Ollies]

Throw Fyfe in your considerations Ollies, he's worth a look and isn't out of place amongst that group.

Yes I do agree. He's showing a bit and may do better than the norm for 2nd year players.

 

[Docker Dolph]

The 2nd year thing has to be considered. Although with Fyfe I think his flexibility (and Mora's injury) will help alleviate this.

The load he is under at training in terms of the running program indicates he will be spending a fair chunk of the time running around near the ball. Thats a nice thought for a guy listed as a forward.

 

[soreplums]

Christian Howard is apparently training the house down since last year's injury concerns and can break the lines with long accurate kicking. Any chance of him getting regular games down back for the doggies?

 

[BigVic]

Robbie Campbell- Could be your 3rd ruckman
Robbie Gray- 2nd chance and DPP player

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

Tough to know but prob just outside best 22 with a full list. That said, they've been in our system for 18 months already and with good Nab Cup form could easily break in. The other risk with this is not just getting a game but being in the best 20. Players 21 and 22 to get half a game each would most likely be rookie midfielders without the engine to run out a full game.

Wallis and Libba would be those players at the Dogs. Would be frustrating to see one of them on 45 at HT only to be subbed off.

Not sure we will see the substitute rule employed before 3/4 time unless there is an injury.

 

[Tom12]

Can't see why (injury permitting) these youngsters would have their games cut short to be rested.

 

[54Dogs]

Not sure we will see the substitute rule employed before 3/4 time unless there is an injury.

Yeh, prob agree with this RNS. Maybe half way through the 3rd the most likely time IMO. Maximise the running potential for the sub but minimise the injury risk.

A guy like Rocky from last year an example. Each game he ran hard until halfway through the 3rd when he blew up and was stuck in the FP for all of the last qtr. Chance to sub him off and bring on a fresh running player in his place.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

Yeh, prob agree with this RNS. Maybe half way through the 3rd the most likely time IMO. Maximise the running potential for the sub but minimise the injury risk.

A guy like Rocky from last year an example. Each game he ran hard until halfway through the 3rd when he blew up and was stuck in the FP for all of the last qtr. Chance to sub him off and bring on a fresh running player in his place.

"Unloading" a substitute too early could result in a team snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This would cause consternation and embarassment. It maybe coined as premature substitution (PS).

The type of substitute may also have a bearing on when/if they're deployed. For example, teams may plan for a "runner" type to join the midfield rotation at some specific point in the game. Whereas an "impact player" might join the game at a non-specific later stage for some hopeful heroics. Injury of course will derail the best intentioned plans.

For mine, the real danger with the new rule is if one of your DT players is the designated starting substitute (rather than being subbed off).

If this does happen, it is likely to be one of your DT rookies and WILL be a problem in cash generation and cover. Trading these miscreants out of your DT team in rounds 3/4 will be required.

 

[54Dogs]

For mine, the real danger with the new rule is if one of your DT players is the designated starting substitute (rather than being subbed off).

Absolutely.

Highly likely to be rookies, highly likely to be running players. Guys who can have an impact but not run out the full game. It will also impact on the player subbed off, just not as much.

Prob see less big games in their first 3 from rookies as in many cases they will be the sub or player subbed off.

It will be a minefield to work through. Say Wallis plays because of a couple of injuries. Gets good TOG, scores well and you look to trade him in for his 3rd game. He is selected but the Dogs have some players back and he is named on the bench. Do you trade him in or not?

 

[chadleverington]

That is the curve ball. personally don't like the sub rule, just go with a bench of 4 and leave the bloody game alone.

 

[Jolldo87]

How long before the start of the game will a team have to designate their sub player?

 

[54Dogs]

How long before the start of the game will a team have to designate their sub player?

Would be 90 mins Jolldo, same as when late team changes need to be locked in

 

[Jolldo87]

Would be 90 mins Jolldo, same as when late team changes need to be locked in

I just assumed it would be a Thursday/Friday night.

Certainly adds another dimension to the game this year.