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Picks For 2011
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The Vent Thread is popular every year 
Oh yes, yes it will.
The problem with the rules is that it has not been used before (no trial what so ever), and all to stop rotations.
The question I pose is that are 120 rotations a game bad for the game?
I really believe it is a positive, it keeps the game fast paced, teams use it in differing ways and can actually be a decisive statistic going into a last quarter, when considering who will run over the top.
Anyways I don't control it, SuchIsLife...
Aussies got em out for only 644!
The problem with the rules is that it has not been used before (no trial what so ever), and all to stop rotations.
The question I pose is that are 120 rotations a game bad for the game?
I really believe it is a positive, it keeps the game fast paced, teams use it in differing ways and can actually be a decisive statistic going into a last quarter, when considering who will run over the top.
Anyways I don't control it, SuchIsLife...
Aussies got em out for only 644!
By years end this discussion will have become superfluous. We are trying to anticipate what might happen so we can make the correct DT decisions accordingly. What did you mean by this statement?
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I would've thought it would become MORE of an issue towards the end of the year. Players could get rested if that team is in line for finals footy.
I mean that by years end (the later rounds of the season/when our teams are complete) hopefully the players that are rested are not the premium types that our sides should primarily consist of. I'm of the view/prediction that coaches won't go resting there best players unless injury strikes, so once upgrading is done subbing guys off who aren't injured (say a rookie as some are saying might happen) isn't going to be as common with the players alot of coaches will have in there side.
Right, Gotcha. Agree.
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Depends if you are going or the Car or to win a league.
I would consider him seriously if it is to win a league as both his byes are in the multi bye weeks when their are no league games. This means that he will play every week when the league is running. If you are going for the car make sure you have cover. Also to note he is durable and is DPP and scores well as a forward.
Will depend what role he plays in the sydney too. He scores well in the midfield but i think the swans are a better side when he plays forward (doesn't score as well in DT when he plays forward i dont think)
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It is on Freakos weekly report (Champion Data), DTtalk may still have these reports on their site.
Hmmm maybe. There is also the notion that players wont need to be rested anymore with the 2 byes acting as good substitutes for this, and any sore players easily subbed off in the 3rd quarter for someone completely fresh (enables them to get a rest, whereas in the past this would only clog up a bench spot). Two sides to every coin.
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Just found this as i knew i did a little bit of quick think writing about DT during 2010 season. A few things have changed from it because this was probs done around round 17-18. But thought i would post it, i havnt looked at this but quite alot of my team was trending in a similar fashion anyway.
2011 DT thoughts from 2010 season
Nick Riewoldt is a lock for 2011
Bryce Gibbs needs to be considered very highly as a lock. Carlton now have a strong core group around him with (Judd, Murphy, Simpson, Mclean). Gibbs has been less than impressive in 2010 but has shown that he can go forward and kick goals or become a rebounding defender. This attributes make him hard to tag and I suspect is already 3rd in line for the tag at Carlton anyway. Look to see if he is used more as a midfielder next year in pre season, as I think he can take his game to a 110-115 avg. J.Russell also makes him a more promising pick with Russell taking offensive taggers on some occasions.
Scott Pendlebury Is a player I don’t think should be considered for 2011. I thought he was the next Gary Ablett in a strong side (Collingwood) but I think after this season he may start to suffer Bernie Vince like. Teams and coaches are saying that Swan is untaggable so the next player they will turn to is Pendlebury. I also thought Collingwood may use Pendlebury in a Gary Ablett role, but his inability to kick long means that cant and wont happen. Expect him to get the number 1 tag next year and decrease in marks and also his handball ratio will rise meaning not as many big numbers. The only reason to consider him is that Collingwood also have a very strong core midfield (Swan, Ball, Thomas, Didak) and he may have the ability to role forward changing with Davis and Didak up forward.
Matthew Pavlich shouldn’t be considered for 2011. He’s starting to become an undurable player and continually picking up leg injuries. He started 2010 in a blaze of glory but an injury has made him become a pretty average pick. He seems to slow for midfield and is picking up to many injuries. He would need to lose quite a lot of weight to be considered for next season. Fremantle are on the improve and with a decent midfield around him (Sandilands, Mundy, Hill, Palmer) he could have a decent season.
Aaron Davey I think could be a great unique pick next season in 2011. He is only avg 79 this year and I think he could have a breakout season. Melbourne use him like Gary Ablett and if they can continue to do so and give him more protection he could become a 95+ scorer. The tags have really affected him this year but I believe his ability to go forward, or play as a running back means tags could become a non issue. Not to mention the guns starting to brew around him in the midfield (Scully, Trengove, Sylvia, Morton, Moloney, N.Jones, Macdonald, Bruce) could mean he gets great protection. Sylvia will start to attract the tags more often next year and with a good DT side and side on the improve he along with other Melbourne players could have a big 2011.
Ben Reid for me is a lock in the backline next year. If Prestigiacomo plays on in 2011 this man will play CHB and play a creating role. Even if Presti retires Collingwood have (Anthony, N.Brown) ready to take those defensive positions. Hes a number 8 draft pick and I think could be a gun. He has neat foot skills and reads the play exceptionally well. In a successful side with good backmen (Maxwell, HarryO, H.Shaw) around him he should take his game to a new level.
Brian Lake Is also almost a lock for 2011. He will be the best scoring backmen for 2011 by some amount. He has scored 5 big 100’s in a row including a 192 earlier in the season. The great thing about Lake is, it has been said this season by many coaches that he can’t be tagged because he plays so loose on an opponent. Also his ability against Fremantle to go forward means if he is tagged than they can counteract it and put him forward. Doggies should be the side that steps up in 2011.
Patrick Dangerfield Now this is an interesting one. Will be interesting to see if he gets tagged in 2011 as many will say he is their best midfielder. If he starts getting tagged than it will benefit Bernie Vince. I don’t think Dangerfield has the engine to burn taggers off, but he can go forward and be damaging. I think all players who are considered better than there DT points suggest like Judd for example have gone to that level of when there DT points correlate to how good an AFL player they are.
Jack Ziebell For me he was a lock for 2011 before he broke his leg. However the break isn’t to bad and if he returns late in 2010 this year than he might still be a very good pick. Unfortunately he’s likely to be only a midfielder in 2011. He only scored 8 DT points in a game this year meaning his avg has been dealt a severe blow. I think he can get upto a 85-90ish avg in 2011.
Brett Deledio For me he could be a backmen in 2011 and that makes him a lock. But if he’s just a midfielder still consider him strongly. A kid by the name of Dustin Martin has meant he goes down back which has helped with taggers to some degree. But I think next year he should be used as a midfielder and maybe attract less tagger attention due to Martin. Richmond are starting to build a strong midfield and improve. (Cotchin, Deledio, Foley, Martin, Jackson). Martin has been very impressive in his first season and can only get better. Cotchin has missed a few games through suspension but seems to have gotten his body right. Foley could be the ideal Ben Cousin replacement and also attract tags along with Cotchin.
Shane Edwards Really starting to like this guy. He has been used all over the field and been used mainly as a tagger for 2010. Hes an early draft pick #26 and will go into his 5th season next year. His game against Fremantle was very impressive where he gathered 25 posses in a tagging tole on S.Hill IIRC. The most impressive thing is his foot skills and that he’s a high draft pick moving into a improving team in his 5th season. If he losses the tagging reins than he could become a very good player across a wing/HBF.
Ryan Griffen He was always going to be an elite footballer but I think he could become a gun DTer. He has improved immensily this year and is a better player than his DT points suggest. Similar to Judd, Dangerfield, Ziebell, Martin. The only problem with Griffen is he seems to get the number 1 tagger every week. He seems to be the player teams shut down first at the doggies. Cooney is the only other player who takes away attention. So im unsure if he can improve on a current 96 avg. But he could be an elite gun footballer and DTer next year. The core group around him (Boyd, Cross, Cooney, Higgins) do a lot of the bullocking work and he gets on the end of it. Can he go to 105+ level with the number 1 tag? Unsure and how will it affect Cooney
Adam Cooney Always have thought he is a better player than his DT points suggest aswell. Can he go to the new level. Will the bulldogs big 3 (Griggen, Cooney, Cross) join Boyd in being a gun DTer. Hes a number 1 draft pick, can go forward and kick goals. Has been winning massive amounts of ball again in 2010 but it seems that the thing letting him down is that he doesn’t get enough marks or tackles. To many handball receives.
Shaun Higgins For me he is a 2011 lock. His body has finally started to come good and an errant turf of Etihad stadium caused an unlucky injury and has made his scores drop. He seems to start every year in a blaze of glory and than struggle with injury. His starts to 2009 were very impressive and in 2010 even more so avg 98 in the first 5 rounds. I think more midfield time, wont get tagged and a strong team around him in his 6th season could mean a new level. Lock him in as a forward.
Robert Murphy Again a better player than his DT suggest. Whether a forward or a back he is a lock. Seems to have his body right finally and in an improving dogs side should go to a new level. Playing across half back has helped immensily and his ability to go forward or back makes him more attractive. Lindsay Gilbee and Harbrow should mean that he doesn’t get to much attention down back. Lock him in up forward or down back in 2011.
Colin Sylvia has finally started to set sail for 2010 with 3 big 100’s in a row. In an improving side with a strong midfield group around him, with Davey taking most of the tags and being a forward he is hard to pass up. Keeps missing games, but this was unlucky injury/illness with a blood clot in the toe. Could avg 100 next year in 2011. Very close to a lock. Young and in his prime.
Easton Wood Impressed with his game against Freo. Seemed fast and skilful and might have a position through the midfield as a tagger. MORE INFO
Garrick Ibbotson His entire side is improving and he is playing a defensive role down back, which I think might change next year. Fremantle already have a solid backline with 3 talls and 3 smalls (Broughton, Hayden, Duffield). I think Ibbotson could have a more permanent role up the ground next year through the midfield. With Barlow likely to not play many games next year, Haselby to retire and Pavlich to play permantly as a forward IMO it opens up a few holes in the midfield. The midfield operations next year for freo will be mainly (Mundy, Hill, Ibbotson, Palmer, Morabito, Mcphee (TAGGER)) with small doses from Crowley (offensive forward), Suban (half back/rotating off bench), Duffield (half back). Look to see who at of Suban and Ibbotson look more likely to get the midfield time or play down back.
Dane Swan Is that lock in permanent captain. Didak and Pendlebury are more vunerable to tags. Swan still isn’t receiving tags this year and has been a dominant player for 2 years now. Many coaches and players are saying he is simply untaggable. His running ability speed and endurance wise is to hard to match. Let alone his ability to also go forward and kick a few goals as shown in the year 2009. He will be the highest scoring midfielder next year with Ablett dropping off if he goes to the Gold Coast
Leigh Brown Has reinvented himself in the Collingwood side. Has become a very good CHF with Cloke out of the side. Unfortunatly his 2 best scores in rounds 16 and 17 have come with Cloke not playing. Interesting to see how he finishes with Cloke in the side.
Cyril Rioli When will this guy become a star is the question. He looks set after an injury riddled pre season and start to the year, he has still performed remarkably well. From rounds 12-16 (5 games) he avg 107.2. Just about a lock if he gets through pre season and keeps his avg under 85.
Grant Birchall After an impressive start to the season avg 91.2 over the first 5 games he has gone a bit quiet. When will this athletic smooth moving half back flanker who was drafted at pick 14 become a gun? Avg only 78 when will he take his game to 90? Will 2011 be his year, will he move up into the midfield and will Gilham, Stratton and Gibson be able to handle the big forwards or will Birchall be used? Could be an interesting one, a player ive always liked.
Quite a nice little read if i might say myself
2011 DT thoughts from 2010 season
Nick Riewoldt is a lock for 2011
Bryce Gibbs needs to be considered very highly as a lock. Carlton now have a strong core group around him with (Judd, Murphy, Simpson, Mclean). Gibbs has been less than impressive in 2010 but has shown that he can go forward and kick goals or become a rebounding defender. This attributes make him hard to tag and I suspect is already 3rd in line for the tag at Carlton anyway. Look to see if he is used more as a midfielder next year in pre season, as I think he can take his game to a 110-115 avg. J.Russell also makes him a more promising pick with Russell taking offensive taggers on some occasions.
Scott Pendlebury Is a player I don’t think should be considered for 2011. I thought he was the next Gary Ablett in a strong side (Collingwood) but I think after this season he may start to suffer Bernie Vince like. Teams and coaches are saying that Swan is untaggable so the next player they will turn to is Pendlebury. I also thought Collingwood may use Pendlebury in a Gary Ablett role, but his inability to kick long means that cant and wont happen. Expect him to get the number 1 tag next year and decrease in marks and also his handball ratio will rise meaning not as many big numbers. The only reason to consider him is that Collingwood also have a very strong core midfield (Swan, Ball, Thomas, Didak) and he may have the ability to role forward changing with Davis and Didak up forward.
Matthew Pavlich shouldn’t be considered for 2011. He’s starting to become an undurable player and continually picking up leg injuries. He started 2010 in a blaze of glory but an injury has made him become a pretty average pick. He seems to slow for midfield and is picking up to many injuries. He would need to lose quite a lot of weight to be considered for next season. Fremantle are on the improve and with a decent midfield around him (Sandilands, Mundy, Hill, Palmer) he could have a decent season.
Aaron Davey I think could be a great unique pick next season in 2011. He is only avg 79 this year and I think he could have a breakout season. Melbourne use him like Gary Ablett and if they can continue to do so and give him more protection he could become a 95+ scorer. The tags have really affected him this year but I believe his ability to go forward, or play as a running back means tags could become a non issue. Not to mention the guns starting to brew around him in the midfield (Scully, Trengove, Sylvia, Morton, Moloney, N.Jones, Macdonald, Bruce) could mean he gets great protection. Sylvia will start to attract the tags more often next year and with a good DT side and side on the improve he along with other Melbourne players could have a big 2011.
Ben Reid for me is a lock in the backline next year. If Prestigiacomo plays on in 2011 this man will play CHB and play a creating role. Even if Presti retires Collingwood have (Anthony, N.Brown) ready to take those defensive positions. Hes a number 8 draft pick and I think could be a gun. He has neat foot skills and reads the play exceptionally well. In a successful side with good backmen (Maxwell, HarryO, H.Shaw) around him he should take his game to a new level.
Brian Lake Is also almost a lock for 2011. He will be the best scoring backmen for 2011 by some amount. He has scored 5 big 100’s in a row including a 192 earlier in the season. The great thing about Lake is, it has been said this season by many coaches that he can’t be tagged because he plays so loose on an opponent. Also his ability against Fremantle to go forward means if he is tagged than they can counteract it and put him forward. Doggies should be the side that steps up in 2011.
Patrick Dangerfield Now this is an interesting one. Will be interesting to see if he gets tagged in 2011 as many will say he is their best midfielder. If he starts getting tagged than it will benefit Bernie Vince. I don’t think Dangerfield has the engine to burn taggers off, but he can go forward and be damaging. I think all players who are considered better than there DT points suggest like Judd for example have gone to that level of when there DT points correlate to how good an AFL player they are.
Jack Ziebell For me he was a lock for 2011 before he broke his leg. However the break isn’t to bad and if he returns late in 2010 this year than he might still be a very good pick. Unfortunately he’s likely to be only a midfielder in 2011. He only scored 8 DT points in a game this year meaning his avg has been dealt a severe blow. I think he can get upto a 85-90ish avg in 2011.
Brett Deledio For me he could be a backmen in 2011 and that makes him a lock. But if he’s just a midfielder still consider him strongly. A kid by the name of Dustin Martin has meant he goes down back which has helped with taggers to some degree. But I think next year he should be used as a midfielder and maybe attract less tagger attention due to Martin. Richmond are starting to build a strong midfield and improve. (Cotchin, Deledio, Foley, Martin, Jackson). Martin has been very impressive in his first season and can only get better. Cotchin has missed a few games through suspension but seems to have gotten his body right. Foley could be the ideal Ben Cousin replacement and also attract tags along with Cotchin.
Shane Edwards Really starting to like this guy. He has been used all over the field and been used mainly as a tagger for 2010. Hes an early draft pick #26 and will go into his 5th season next year. His game against Fremantle was very impressive where he gathered 25 posses in a tagging tole on S.Hill IIRC. The most impressive thing is his foot skills and that he’s a high draft pick moving into a improving team in his 5th season. If he losses the tagging reins than he could become a very good player across a wing/HBF.
Ryan Griffen He was always going to be an elite footballer but I think he could become a gun DTer. He has improved immensily this year and is a better player than his DT points suggest. Similar to Judd, Dangerfield, Ziebell, Martin. The only problem with Griffen is he seems to get the number 1 tagger every week. He seems to be the player teams shut down first at the doggies. Cooney is the only other player who takes away attention. So im unsure if he can improve on a current 96 avg. But he could be an elite gun footballer and DTer next year. The core group around him (Boyd, Cross, Cooney, Higgins) do a lot of the bullocking work and he gets on the end of it. Can he go to 105+ level with the number 1 tag? Unsure and how will it affect Cooney
Adam Cooney Always have thought he is a better player than his DT points suggest aswell. Can he go to the new level. Will the bulldogs big 3 (Griggen, Cooney, Cross) join Boyd in being a gun DTer. Hes a number 1 draft pick, can go forward and kick goals. Has been winning massive amounts of ball again in 2010 but it seems that the thing letting him down is that he doesn’t get enough marks or tackles. To many handball receives.
Shaun Higgins For me he is a 2011 lock. His body has finally started to come good and an errant turf of Etihad stadium caused an unlucky injury and has made his scores drop. He seems to start every year in a blaze of glory and than struggle with injury. His starts to 2009 were very impressive and in 2010 even more so avg 98 in the first 5 rounds. I think more midfield time, wont get tagged and a strong team around him in his 6th season could mean a new level. Lock him in as a forward.
Robert Murphy Again a better player than his DT suggest. Whether a forward or a back he is a lock. Seems to have his body right finally and in an improving dogs side should go to a new level. Playing across half back has helped immensily and his ability to go forward or back makes him more attractive. Lindsay Gilbee and Harbrow should mean that he doesn’t get to much attention down back. Lock him in up forward or down back in 2011.
Colin Sylvia has finally started to set sail for 2010 with 3 big 100’s in a row. In an improving side with a strong midfield group around him, with Davey taking most of the tags and being a forward he is hard to pass up. Keeps missing games, but this was unlucky injury/illness with a blood clot in the toe. Could avg 100 next year in 2011. Very close to a lock. Young and in his prime.
Easton Wood Impressed with his game against Freo. Seemed fast and skilful and might have a position through the midfield as a tagger. MORE INFO
Garrick Ibbotson His entire side is improving and he is playing a defensive role down back, which I think might change next year. Fremantle already have a solid backline with 3 talls and 3 smalls (Broughton, Hayden, Duffield). I think Ibbotson could have a more permanent role up the ground next year through the midfield. With Barlow likely to not play many games next year, Haselby to retire and Pavlich to play permantly as a forward IMO it opens up a few holes in the midfield. The midfield operations next year for freo will be mainly (Mundy, Hill, Ibbotson, Palmer, Morabito, Mcphee (TAGGER)) with small doses from Crowley (offensive forward), Suban (half back/rotating off bench), Duffield (half back). Look to see who at of Suban and Ibbotson look more likely to get the midfield time or play down back.
Dane Swan Is that lock in permanent captain. Didak and Pendlebury are more vunerable to tags. Swan still isn’t receiving tags this year and has been a dominant player for 2 years now. Many coaches and players are saying he is simply untaggable. His running ability speed and endurance wise is to hard to match. Let alone his ability to also go forward and kick a few goals as shown in the year 2009. He will be the highest scoring midfielder next year with Ablett dropping off if he goes to the Gold Coast
Leigh Brown Has reinvented himself in the Collingwood side. Has become a very good CHF with Cloke out of the side. Unfortunatly his 2 best scores in rounds 16 and 17 have come with Cloke not playing. Interesting to see how he finishes with Cloke in the side.
Cyril Rioli When will this guy become a star is the question. He looks set after an injury riddled pre season and start to the year, he has still performed remarkably well. From rounds 12-16 (5 games) he avg 107.2. Just about a lock if he gets through pre season and keeps his avg under 85.
Grant Birchall After an impressive start to the season avg 91.2 over the first 5 games he has gone a bit quiet. When will this athletic smooth moving half back flanker who was drafted at pick 14 become a gun? Avg only 78 when will he take his game to 90? Will 2011 be his year, will he move up into the midfield and will Gilham, Stratton and Gibson be able to handle the big forwards or will Birchall be used? Could be an interesting one, a player ive always liked.
Quite a nice little read if i might say myself
I think that post is full of **** DWD.
Pendlebury is someone who should be HIGHLY considered. Not only is he still improving, you can expect that with Collingwoods friendly second half fixture that he becomes a promising upgrade option at the least. If his numbers look good early, I'd be inclined to take him sooner rather than later as his last bye should be relatively simple to cover. Can average 115+ next season.
You don't rate him but your willing to lock in guys like Lake (pre-season issues mean nothing do they?), Reid (always more of a SCer, you can't lock in a guy with such uncertainty over his ability to accumulate) and look at the ever stagnating Griffen and Cooney?
Pavlich will always play his best footy up forward, that's been part of the problem.
Pendlebury is someone who should be HIGHLY considered. Not only is he still improving, you can expect that with Collingwoods friendly second half fixture that he becomes a promising upgrade option at the least. If his numbers look good early, I'd be inclined to take him sooner rather than later as his last bye should be relatively simple to cover. Can average 115+ next season.
You don't rate him but your willing to lock in guys like Lake (pre-season issues mean nothing do they?), Reid (always more of a SCer, you can't lock in a guy with such uncertainty over his ability to accumulate) and look at the ever stagnating Griffen and Cooney?
Pavlich will always play his best footy up forward, that's been part of the problem.
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Haha obviously didn't read the first part - i did this 5-6 weeks before the end of round 22 and haven't changed it. As i said quite a few things have changed since than.
I see the dogs not rising as what i had predicted at that time, i shouldve mentioned that i now dont consider Lake at all due to injury and interrupted preseason. But at the time he was showing he was untaggable and could play multiple roles scoring very well at either end.
I also have had Pendlebury in every team i have made in FP this year. So i must have seen something in his last 8 or so weeks to suggest that tags may be evenly spread and with the help of a very good midfield and the way collingwood play it means he should still do well.
If the dogs can rise the cooney and Griffen will avg closer to 110, both very capable whether they make it is another thing. But they are at peak age now and still have very good players around them. Worth considering.
Pavlich, will continue to play midfield but rotate more forward. Anthony and a weakened midfield means they need him in the guts still, unless Barlow is ready to fire from day dot than he could play more forward, but just from watching him at that time, i saw he was starting to taper of a bit in his career, i wont be picking him.
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Im sort of asking the question and saying that they have the "ability" to do so, as i said whether they do is another thing, but they sure do have the potential in my eyes. As for stepping it up so many players each year do this, by that i mean going from an 80-90 level or 90 to 100-105 level. Similar to what i see in Birchall (although not now), Cooney, Griffen in there respected positions.
Finding those players that avg 90 in the mids that increase by 15-20 or in the backs at 75 that increase by 15 is what can put you right into the top 50 or even higher along with good trading (always needed).
It's fair enough to predict it for certain players, but Cooney and Griffin are perfect examples of guys who aren't going to just magically improve.
They've been good players for a number of years, Cooney particulary who even at his peak does not put up the numbers required to be a super premium. With these guys, you get what you pay for. Griffen and Cooney may even decline if the sides performance worsens.
They've been good players for a number of years, Cooney particulary who even at his peak does not put up the numbers required to be a super premium. With these guys, you get what you pay for. Griffen and Cooney may even decline if the sides performance worsens.
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Cooney is coming off an injury interrupted season.
Griffens finals performance showed he could average 105+(while he copped the number 1 tag, he won't with Cooney back)
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thats shows youve got a lot to learn
Cooney on face value looks to be stuck at 90 but carried injuries late which reduced his average. Take out the 2 x 70s and the 6 in his last 3 and his average was over 95. Your point is valid though, they will never be super premiums, at best may just sneak in as your 6th mid.
