Picola & District FL NW 2013

[smooth mover]

So does anyone know who the inter league side is playing and where will it be held ?

NW league play Mid Gippy FL at Visy Park 2pm on Sunday the 26th, SE League play Maryborough Castlemaine FL at Tatura 3.45pm on Sat 25th.... (SE league play the later game as it's a double header, KDFL play Riddell FL at 1.30pm & Big Bad Bustling Barry Hall is playing for the Riddell FL)

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

NW league play Mid Gippy FL at Visy Park 2pm on Sunday the 26th, SE League play Maryborough Castlemaine FL at Tatura 3.45pm on Sat 25th.... (SE league play the later game as it's a double header, KDFL play Riddell FL at 1.30pm & Big Bad Bustling Barry Hall is playing for the Riddell FL)

Big bad Angry Aaron is playing for PDFNL NW

 

[eric swatson]

You don't know Terry very well!! Team man/clubman winning that particular game to get rovers into the finals and blighty out (as I seem to recall) would be more important to him.

hahaha just havin a bit of fun... Anyone know if there is something wrong with brodie lumbar i see he hasn't been kicking any goals???

 

[Charles Mac]

hahaha just havin a bit of fun... Anyone know if there is something wrong with brodie lumbar i see he hasn't been kicking any goals???

I think he has been out with a knee injury. Will be back soon I think.

 

[Mairjimmy 321]

Can confirm that the big 17 will only be driving the bus . at best orange peeler.

 

[smooth mover]

Big bad Angry Aaron is playing for PDFNL NW

By all reports he can't be called that anymore?? The rest well that still stands....

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

By all reports he can't be called that anymore?? The rest well that still stands....

He is still a giant , in height , compared to you .

 

[smooth mover]

He is still a giant , in height , compared to you .

Compared to anyone....

 

[themagicfrog]

Looks like the PDFL doing its best to stop a young fella playing a game he loves. After allowing him to play as an overage player (14 yrs old with a number a varying medical conditions, (Heart, Osgood Schlatters which restricts his physicality and effects his joints) for the first 6 games with some PDFL restrictions such as he will not be allowed to play finals, they now have revoked the decision and now the poor fella has to sit on the sidelines and watch other play the game he loves.



The PDFL have now overruled the original decision made by 3 independent people because they now disagree with that decision after viewing his games, why not let the 3 independent people review their decision. What’s the point of having an independent decision if it carries no weight?



Yes no thirds is a BFC decision and not one of the PDFL hence leaving him without an option now to play footy in a grade that he isn’t even physically able to train with let alone play with (he trailed playing 3rds last year and has suffered with his medical conditions since then).



Makes me wonder, as someone no longer officially associated with the BFC, if this decision has been reversed because the fourths are travelling well or because he is classed as one of the “Bigger kids”. The PDFL only sees the boy for his size not his conditions that restrict him.



I know this can be seen as bitching but big footy is the only real forum we have to raise issues that affect players in players in one of the best football regions and leagues around.

I hope the PDFL comes to its senses and lets the kid have a kick.

Magic

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

my understanding is berrigan could have arranged to have a thirds side. Looking at how many they have playing under 14s I can confidently say they bloody well should have. I think it selfish of them not to have a crack. Have you considered the games lost by their opposing teams players??? How that makes it difficult for those teams to retain players as a result of lack of games caused by berrigan failing to tough it out. If blighty can have a go and they are getting smashed and have a really young side then so should berrigan.

In fact maybe that is the answer send him to blighty. I am sure they would put him in a position he could handle and cooperate with opposing coaches re his opponent. He could train at berrigan but play for blighty.
If this is a genuine case I am totally confident in the PDFNL committee to make the correct decision. I think it is very unfair for the insinuation that it is because the fourths are travelling so well. Seriously???

yes PDFNL is a great league perhaps berrigan should worry more about pulling its weight instead of sooking and blaming others.

 

[themagicfrog]

Look I’m not on here to represent Berrigan, I no longer have an official affiliation with Berrigan and live nearly 700kms away and my comments in no way reflect the opinions of the BFC I’m more a lover of footy and someone who wants to see people given a fair go.

Your understanding….. I never knew you were involved in the club at some stage in your life……………. I know that Berrigan only had 10 thirds boys last year and “toughed it out” and only had 4 players registered this year. They would have not taken the decision not to have a thirds team lightly as the have a very passionate committee who would have done everything in their power to entice players to help out. You have mentioned the number of fourths boys there are, and its true there al a few, most of which are under 11 years old, they have 7 top aged players so that would make 11 capable players to fill a thirds side… hmmmmm still not quite enough is it. It’s not fair to force those top age players to play a higher grade to keep others happy. It’s just one of those cycles where there is not enough boys in the age bracket.

Considering other teams…. As a committee the only team they would of considered would of be that of the Berrigan FC, how it affects their club and there juniors. Not yours and not anyone else’s should have been a thought in their mind. You can call that selfish if you like, but when I was on the committee I didn’t care what the other clubs thought.

Yep I am seriously questioning the reason behind turning around an independent panel’s decision. Was it caused by people like you complaining that it’s not fair? Even when you (Blighty) have played with overage players yourself?

I’m sure you have relevant examples of Berrigan not pulling its weight and “Sooking”, again this is not BFC this in me. I’m not sure sending him to Blighty would not be the best idea if this is a representation of the Blighty footy club, I have never had a problem with the Blighty footy club and I’m sure BFC hasn’t had either.

This issue will not stop with people having a discussion on here with at least one local paper looking into it already. (notice how even though I’m 700kms away I still do my research!) and its was the club that was contacted by the paper once they heard about what was happening, I personally don’t know how they found out, my research couldn’t find that bit out. You may not agree with me, but frankly I couldn’t care less what you think of me or my post I just want to see this kid have a kick.

P.S Go Saints!

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

Firstly, as it was a fairly common rumour I was hearing regarding berrigan's failure to have a thirds I spoke maybe too harshly for that i apologise. at least you have had a chance to clear that up publicly.

I don't represent blighty football club left there end of 2010. However I was there in a capacity in 2010 when as team manager of the thirds the following occurred. When it came to the grand final we had a few less players than berrigan. As is the rule clubs can negotiate how many can play in the final. We were looking for equal numbers as we could get so we negotiated within the rules that berrigan play with the mimimum allowable. You guys had been unstoppable all year so surely fair that we ask for that. Well sadly you guys decided to bring players back into the side that had played consistently in the seniors which meant you had to drop a kid out of the grand final to fit them in. Who did your club blame for this not yourselves that's for sure. You accused us of robbing the kid of his spot in the grand final and as there were issues with this child the anguish caused was our fault. We were asked to put up more under 14 kids who hadn't even played in that team to accommodate you. Sure that's fair on those kids for us to get them all excited to come in only to sit on the bench. Berrigan had a decision to make they chose to let a young boy who only had that team down. I am so glad you have now publicly said that berrigan teams think of berrigan teams and not others. You would be a tad hypocritical to criticise me for being part of ensuring our kids got a fair go in a grand final. You asked if I had more sook stories I just gave you one.
Now before everyone jumps on me this isn't a personal thing to get back at berrigan but magic your inference that people are complaining because your fourths are doing well made me a tad annoyed especially given past dealings. Just balancing things out a little.


As for people like me complaining? Umm where in my post did I complain about the kid playing? Please don't question my commitment to seeing kids get a fair go without knowledge of me personally.
Our league has put so much effort into junior development and clubs are doing a great job yet you go off publicly about this one issue. Tarnishing all that good work so you can champion this cause. I have faith in our league reps to get this right. Even sadder is for someone to go to the newspaper.

Your total dismissal of the idea of the boy playing at blighty makes me wonder how genuine you are with wanting this kid to play the game he loves?? On my part I was genuine as why not play in another PDFL club in under 17s and make considerations for him it may prolong his involvement in the game. If not blighty, I suggested them as they are short of numbers then maybe another club. I am sure he loves berrigan but what is really more important at this time? Again just a suggestion. I truly hope it works out for him.

Magic, I admire your efforts on this kids behalf but lets not accuse people of things that they very well probably haven't done...like not trying hard enough to have a thirds side?
Cheers

Ps good luck to our PDFNL NW interleague team. Lets hope clubs unite to ensure we put up a good fight so kids can be proud to play in this league.

Disclaimer: this is all my own opinion and not to be considered in any way to be that of blighty football club or any other club I have been associated with.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Looks like the PDFL doing its best to stop a young fella playing a game he loves. After allowing him to play as an overage player (14 yrs old with a number a varying medical conditions, (Heart, Osgood Schlatters which restricts his physicality and effects his joints) for the first 6 games with some PDFL restrictions such as he will not be allowed to play finals, they now have revoked the decision and now the poor fella has to sit on the sidelines and watch other play the game he loves.



The PDFL have now overruled the original decision made by 3 independent people because they now disagree with that decision after viewing his games, why not let the 3 independent people review their decision. What’s the point of having an independent decision if it carries no weight?



Yes no thirds is a BFC decision and not one of the PDFL hence leaving him without an option now to play footy in a grade that he isn’t even physically able to train with let alone play with (he trailed playing 3rds last year and has suffered with his medical conditions since then).



Makes me wonder, as someone no longer officially associated with the BFC, if this decision has been reversed because the fourths are travelling well or because he is classed as one of the “Bigger kids”. The PDFL only sees the boy for his size not his conditions that restrict him.



I know this can be seen as bitching but big footy is the only real forum we have to raise issues that affect players in players in one of the best football regions and leagues around.

I hope the PDFL comes to its senses and lets the kid have a kick.

Magic

Magic , there is no easy way to tell you this but you have the bull by the horns as so to speak .
Those involved with granting permission were involved in the decision to remove permission , this including those who were on the idenpendant panel who provided there recommendations to the board .
It also stated upon the agreement that relevant parties signed that the board had permission to revoke the decision at any time .
It had nothing to do with the success level of the side he was playing in , as per criteria set at the start of the year and all clubs were made aware of , the only time the team would have any effect on eligibilty of overage players being permitted would be if a club was significantly short within that grade .
You need to correct your figures on under 17 players the club had and also top age under 14 players, as it does not reflect what the club has forwarded onto others .

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Look I’m not on here to represent Berrigan, I no longer have an official affiliation with Berrigan and live nearly 700kms away and my comments in no way reflect the opinions of the BFC I’m more a lover of footy and someone who wants to see people given a fair go.

Your understanding….. I never knew you were involved in the club at some stage in your life……………. I know that Berrigan only had 10 thirds boys last year and “toughed it out” and only had 4 players registered this year. They would have not taken the decision not to have a thirds team lightly as the have a very passionate committee who would have done everything in their power to entice players to help out. You have mentioned the number of fourths boys there are, and its true there al a few, most of which are under 11 years old, they have 7 top aged players so that would make 11 capable players to fill a thirds side… hmmmmm still not quite enough is it. It’s not fair to force those top age players to play a higher grade to keep others happy. It’s just one of those cycles where there is not enough boys in the age bracket.

Considering other teams…. As a committee the only team they would of considered would of be that of the Berrigan FC, how it affects their club and there juniors. Not yours and not anyone else’s should have been a thought in their mind. You can call that selfish if you like, but when I was on the committee I didn’t care what the other clubs thought.

Yep I am seriously questioning the reason behind turning around an independent panel’s decision. Was it caused by people like you complaining that it’s not fair? Even when you (Blighty) have played with overage players yourself?

I’m sure you have relevant examples of Berrigan not pulling its weight and “Sooking”, again this is not BFC this in me. I’m not sure sending him to Blighty would not be the best idea if this is a representation of the Blighty footy club, I have never had a problem with the Blighty footy club and I’m sure BFC hasn’t had either.

This issue will not stop with people having a discussion on here with at least one local paper looking into it already. (notice how even though I’m 700kms away I still do my research!) and its was the club that was contacted by the paper once they heard about what was happening, I personally don’t know how they found out, my research couldn’t find that bit out. You may not agree with me, but frankly I couldn’t care less what you think of me or my post I just want to see this kid have a kick.

P.S Go Saints!

All clubs do have a obligation to ensure decisions they make are in the best interest of the league .
The league has a number of players who deal with varying conditions and circumstances with very few playing overage .
Do you know how many games the player in question played in the under 17's last year ?

 

[themagicfrog]

All clubs do have a obligation to ensure decisions they make are in the best interest of the league .
The league has a number of players who deal with varying conditions and circumstances with very few playing overage .
Do you know how many games the player in question played in the under 17's last year ?

WILTY, the past is past, I don’t bring up the poor decision by the two Blighty umpires that cost BFC a Fourths Granny many years ago, one where the Ump apologised to the BFC after the game because even he said it cost the granny to, because It’s in the PAST. So its not a reason to get upset, not the point of my initial post.

Even if BFC had a 3rds side permission was going to be sort for this kid to play overage because of his medical conditions, and if I understand right the application was made before the 3rds decision was made.

The kid played 7 thirds last year as a fill in like many 4ths boys did because they had to, he sat in the fwd pocket like many a kid who a team has tried to hide. This looks to be his last year no matter what because of his conditions, the reason behind the application.

The application was not on number grounds but a medical one and if I understand Roar it was revoked because of the numbers that the BFC fourths have, correctly if I’m wrong because like many on here we are not privy to the PDFL decisions and I’m trying to sick to the facts and only use information that I think is correct. I don’t want to be seen as someone just trying to stir shit, I just want to put this out there in the hope that the PDFL will see that the decision they made is not as black and white as having to many numbers or no thirds.

Just want to see this boy go out on his terms in what looks to be his last year and not those of who don’t quite understand his predicament.

I’ve got people talking about it and that’s the whole idea of my posts.

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

Magic you are stirring shit!!!

Again you sook!!! I brought up a decision by your club that harmed your player on a personal level but you and I think perhaps you were involved tried to blame blighty. To come in now and claim moral high ground re treatment of players is wrong on your part. Surely you see the difference. Then again probably not seeing your ego is on a trip to save the day and not listen to reason.

To me you are trying to heavy the league which is pathetic. Threats of the paper getting involved blah blah. You have stated you think of berrigan and only berrigan I hope people see through you.

If people are talking because of you that's a shame. The overage rules are fairly strict I believe and so they should be.
Without all the facts which you have admitted above you aren't sure of you simply are stirring shit. The league doesn't need to explain the finer details to you on here.

We are a great league and kids are treated fairly. To try to make it appear otherwise is wrong.

 

[Charles Mac]

Playing overage kids should only happen if there are number shortages. Otherwise what happens to the kids that misses out because the bigger older kid plays. Junior footy should be about giving kids a game . I'm not having a go at anyone but as soon as a club decides not to play any grade of footy it hurts their future and the leagues future. Play 16 a side, borrow players from the otherwise anything. Keeping kids involved in footy is hard enough. If u give them a year off they won't play again . Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't all the clubs vote not to let 1u back into the league because of the shortage of numbers? Junior developing is something every club needs to get better at. Without juniors your seniors will struggle down the track. Not directed at berrigan but as a general rule.

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

Magic, are you serious your club voluntarily played this kid in seven games of under 17 last year because of the need for numbers and now you come in slamming the league on its decision and the boy is twelve months older?? Your credability is shot!!!!
Yes this is a sad situation for the boy but if your own club thought he could handle it last year, and seven is a lot, I am appalled at your trouble making now.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

WILTY, the past is past, I don’t bring up the poor decision by the two Blighty umpires that cost BFC a Fourths Granny many years ago, one where the Ump apologised to the BFC after the game because even he said it cost the granny to, because It’s in the PAST. So its not a reason to get upset, not the point of my initial post.

Even if BFC had a 3rds side permission was going to be sort for this kid to play overage because of his medical conditions, and if I understand right the application was made before the 3rds decision was made.

The kid played 7 thirds last year as a fill in like many 4ths boys did because they had to, he sat in the fwd pocket like many a kid who a team has tried to hide. This looks to be his last year no matter what because of his conditions, the reason behind the application.

The application was not on number grounds but a medical one and if I understand Roar it was revoked because of the numbers that the BFC fourths have, correctly if I’m wrong because like many on here we are not privy to the PDFL decisions and I’m trying to sick to the facts and only use information that I think is correct. I don’t want to be seen as someone just trying to stir shit, I just want to put this out there in the hope that the PDFL will see that the decision they made is not as black and white as having to many numbers or no thirds.

Just want to see this boy go out on his terms in what looks to be his last year and not those of who don’t quite understand his predicament.

I’ve got people talking about it and that’s the whole idea of my posts.

Player numbers played no part in the decision to revoke his permission to play OA , Magic .
Although you claim to have researched your facts , with no disrespect , many of the things you have quoted on this issue are far from factual .

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Playing overage kids should only happen if there are number shortages. Otherwise what happens to the kids that misses out because the bigger older kid plays. Junior footy should be about giving kids a game . I'm not having a go at anyone but as soon as a club decides not to play any grade of footy it hurts their future and the leagues future. Play 16 a side, borrow players from the otherwise anything. Keeping kids involved in footy is hard enough. If u give them a year off they won't play again . Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't all the clubs vote not to let 1u back into the league because of the shortage of numbers? Junior developing is something every club needs to get better at. Without juniors your seniors will struggle down the track. Not directed at berrigan but as a general rule.

Not sure this was the case CM , the rest of your post I sincerely agree with .

 

[Charles Mac]

Not sure this was the case CM , the rest of your post I sincerely agree with .

That is why I put " correct me if I'm wrong" I wasn't sure of the exact reasons as to why 1u wernt back in the league. I assumed it was player numbers

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

That is why I put " correct me if I'm wrong" I wasn't sure of the exact reasons as to why 1u wernt back in the league. I assumed it was player numbers

Yea I notice that , I think you were right in assuming a lack of numbers , with most clubs running at a lost when playing them , due to them missing a number of netball and football grades was a contributing factor , just do not think it was the sole factor .

 

[wouldIlietoyou]

Magic Frog, I have another suggestion for this player. I hope you consider this with an open mind.
Jerilderie are your nearest neighbours and yes closest rivals. I am assuming though that it may mean he already knows kids at the club. Also I see that the league thinks he is capable of 17s but you think he isn't. You have said berrigan struggled for numbers and he had to play up that would also mean that he wasn't surrounded by a lot of top age players.
If he was to play in jerilderies under 17s it may in fact be easier for him as they do have these players. He could still sit in the fwd pocket but his team mates could be encouraged to feed him a bit. He could end up getting more of the ball and maybe less taxing on him. His team mates would learn important lessons re inclusion etc. also being able to play in his correct grade may be better for his self esteem?
I haven't run this past Jerilderie and I apologise to them if this appears rude but I think we would all love to see this kid getting a kick.
You may not like to hear it but great year for a kid to be at Jerilderie with Purcell on fire!! Purcell may even agree to help this kid find his feet at the club?? That would be awesome for him, yeah?? He may already know him?
Instead of focusing on what you think this kid can't do lets see what he can do.
Jerilderie play blighty this week that would be a perfect game to start him off in.
Again just a suggestion but if you agree even as a trial maybe to make this happen I think will need your input magic.
Cheers

 

[Mairjimmy 321]

Magic Frog, I have another suggestion for this player. I hope you consider this with an open mind.
Jerilderie are your nearest neighbours and yes closest rivals. I am assuming though that it may mean he already knows kids at the club. Also I see that the league thinks he is capable of 17s but you think he isn't. You have said berrigan struggled for numbers and he had to play up that would also mean that he wasn't surrounded by a lot of top age players.
If he was to play in jerilderies under 17s it may in fact be easier for him as they do have these players. He could still sit in the fwd pocket but his team mates could be encouraged to feed him a bit. He could end up getting more of the ball and maybe less taxing on him. His team mates would learn important lessons re inclusion etc. also being able to play in his correct grade may be better for his self esteem?
I haven't run this past Jerilderie and I apologise to them if this appears rude but I think we would all love to see this kid getting a kick.
You may not like to hear it but great year for a kid to be at Jerilderie with Purcell on fire!! Purcell may even agree to help this kid find his feet at the club?? That would be awesome for him, yeah?? He may already know him?
Instead of focusing on what you think this kid can't do lets see what he can do.
Jerilderie play blighty this week that would be a perfect game to start him off in.
Again just a suggestion but if you agree even as a trial maybe to make this happen I think will need your input magic.
Cheers

 

[Mairjimmy 321]

I am positive Wilty, that if Berrigan approach any of their neighbouring clubs in either Picola, Murray or Hume leagues there would be some chance this youngster would find a team that would tick all the boxes so to speak and this young fella can continue to play the game he loves. Wouldn't you agree.