Pies make Jolly offer

[Subprime]

Why not? Sydney's whole reason as to why they are not accepting pick 14 is that they paid 15 for him...well we paid pick 1 for Fraser and are willing to pass him on!

Can't argue with that arithmatic

 

[Teak_Pies]

These Sydney supporters don't no what there on about.

 

[jazou]

think there's a lot of posturing by both sides on the Jolly trade - I think if it comes down to it, Sydney probably will take #14 for him, but there will probably be some sort of exchanging of draft picks later as well (eg. Collingwood's 2nd rounder for Sydney's 3rd, or something like that).

Sydney will be hard pressed to get much more for him - he's a very good player, but aside from maybe Hawthorn I don't see many more teams trying to trade for another ruckman??

 

[Whyte Line Feva]

Wouldn't have know considering how injury prone he is and sure may be inexperience but then that begs the question why are you playing Wood i mean he's like 20?

Fraser still played 17 games this year.. obviously there would have to be medical assessments to clear his knee of serious damage..

But you can't tell that a "fit" fraser would not be a fair trade along with pick 30..?

and see if you can answer me..? who is going to ruck for you once jolly is gone, because jolly will go..!

And who would you want for jolly..????

 

[Reggi05]

Fraser is still a very good player, but isn't what we need anymore..

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For what. He's a terrible ruckman and not good enough to play in any other position?

Jolly is a great ruckman and that is it, but he's a great ruckman

 

[Leo Barry You Star]

These Sydney supporters don't no what there on about.

and you can't spell

 

[swanton]

weather fraser is still a good ruckman is debateable

but he is far too injury prone

and with our sytle of play we need big bodied strong ruckman, which fraser is not

don't think that he would last 5 rounds before another injury

 

[Teak_Pies]

Im so sorry i wrote no instead of know least I have football knowledge.

 

[Hyphenator]

Fraser is still a very good player, but isn't what we need anymore..

If Jolly goes, who is gonna ruck for you..? Seaby will be your number 1 ruckman considering Jesse White is being developed into a forward..

Fraser averages 18 possessions a game and uses the ball well..

He's a year younger than Jolly, and arguably is coming of his best year..

Did you actually watch any football this year..?

So in your eyes, what is a realistic trade..????

and if a trade does come about where jolly goes to either hawthorn or collingwood, who will your second ruckman be..??

um have you heard of a c Canadian bloke call Mike Pyke he is an absolute super star or young Daniel Currie who will be a very good player if he can stay injury free compared to josh fraser these guys are superstars of the game. fraser is neither a ruckman or a forward who has a dodgy knee.

Fraser might get a few more cheap touches but Jolly has twice the number of hit outs. Jolly kicks more goals and uses the ball better.

 

[odoyle_rules]

nah seriously Jolly is top 3-4 ruck in the league...only Cox and Sandilands would be better, others would be on par.

Fraser is our 2nd ruckman, so there would need to be some serious compensation with that trade.

14 and Fraser will be enough, but I think we would be giving too much away then. Therefore Sydney passes on their second rounder (22 or 23??) and we have a deal!

 

[odoyle_rules]

Even Wood averages more disposals and marks than Jolly, keep him, we'll go for the Mummy

if we can get him cheap...GET HIM! Will be a very good player!

 

[Whyte Line Feva]

um have you heard of a c Canadian bloke call Mike Pyke he is an absolute super star or young Daniel Currie who will be a very good player if he can stay injury free compared to josh fraser these guys are superstars of the game. fraser is neither a ruckman or a forward who has a dodgy knee.

Fraser might get a few more cheap touches but Jolly has twice the number of hit outs. Jolly kicks more goals and uses the ball better.

Mike Pyke superstar..???

I know collingwood supporters get accused of over rating their players but calling Myke Pyke a superstar is probably the worst call of the decade..!

 

[Axl the great]

Mike Pyke superstar..???

I know collingwood supporters get accused of over rating their players but calling Myke Pyke a superstar is probably the worst call of the decade..!

HaHaHa!!! Yeah and Jimmy Barnes can still sing!!!

 

[CAS79]

Even Wood averages more disposals and marks than Jolly, keep him, we'll go for the Mummy

Collingwood supporters claiming the high moral ground on football knowledge and now quoting statistics without the faintest idea of what they mean.

Sorry but look at the way Paul Roos uses Jolly, old school ruck, he is used to take pack marks or bring the ball down in a contest, he's never used in running link up plays unless he is used up forward.

There's a trend of cheap possessions with modern ruckman but Jolly has not been used that way but when he is used it's for important touches not rubbish link plays. And that's why you guys want him too.

 

[Axl the great]

Have noticed a trend with the Swans rucks over the years that their away form is not as good as home form, the reason i think rucks flourish at Sydney is the ground size, being so small the ruckmen can get to more contests around the ground and dont usually need as much of a chop out in ruck contests forward or back thus having a bigger influence on games at the SCG.
Jolly is still a very good ruck however i doubt his influence at the pies playing the G every week would be as good.
Pick 14 should be enough but if not so be it we will look at a Mumford or similar for far cheaper.

 

[Membling]

If no consensus on the trade is reached now you can only assume that a player is in the mix for trading but it's who that is the sticking point.

Just the way it seems

 

[.Shotties.]

Fraser is still a very good player, but isn't what we need anymore..

If he's a good ruck, why are you trading for Jolly?

If Jolly goes, who is gonna ruck for you..? Seaby will be your number 1 ruckman considering Jesse White is being developed into a forward..

Currie, Orreal or Pyke. LRT in a squeeze. An of the first three just need to pinch hit, they won't be carrying like Jolly.

Fraser averages 18 possessions a game and uses the ball well..

He's a year younger than Jolly, and arguably is coming of his best year..

But Collingwood are willing to move him on for Jolly because...

So in your eyes, what is a realistic trade..????

Pick 14 and someone who isn't Cook.

and if a trade does come about where jolly goes to either hawthorn or collingwood, who will your second ruckman be..??

Any reason you asked the same question twice?

 

[Bay Pie]

Collingwood supporters claiming the high moral ground on football knowledge and now quoting statistics without the faintest idea of what they mean.

Sorry but look at the way Paul Roos uses Jolly, old school ruck, he is used to take pack marks or bring the ball down in a contest, he's never used in running link up plays unless he is used up forward.

There's a trend of cheap possessions with modern ruckman but Jolly has not been used that way but when he is used it's for important touches not rubbish link plays. And that's why you guys want him too.

No doubt you are spot on. But I hope you are not putting Wood in with the cheap touches. He doesn't get a heap of it but gets it in good spots.