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[jmac70]

I just wish he was externally regarded by Collingwood fans, obviously he isn't, you don't dump AAs for a hundred K or so, especially ones who made AA in their first year in a new craft.

It's hard for any of us to know what really went on in terms of his contract negotiations. Given his 2011 season it did seem odd to me that he didn't continue. Ancient history of course, but hopefully the club has learnt from it.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Damn, I thought Leon achieved AA honours after one year as a backman, do you want to know a secret? Toovs or Caff will never make AA, and who knows, maybe, just maybe a second year as a defender may have actually improved Leon, I know that's a big call though.

Go back to whining why you were banned on the feedback board bro.

And if Leon was offered a greater contract in 2012 we would have lost one of those players, if not both. We would have only had Leon for one more year. You need to look long term. Toovey and Macaffer still have reasonable years ahead of them. I doubt either of them will make an AA team but that's beside the point.

Your Malthouse shit is becoming tiresome. Move on.

Not sure what your last comment has to do with the discussion?

 

[the distributer]

And if Leon was offered a greater contract in 2012 we would have lost one of those players, if not both. We would have only had Leon for one more year. You need to look long term. Toovey and Macaffer still have reasonable years ahead of them. I doubt either of them will make an AA team but that's beside the point.

Your Malthouse shit is becoming tiresome. Move on.

Not sure what your last comment has to do with the discussion?

I disagree mate, imagine if you played for an AFL club and earned AA honours as a fwd, then you were switched down back(somewhere you'd never played in your life) and again went AA only to be offered chump change, Leon earn't a 400k 2 year deal IMO, 350k minimum, instead he was offered a sub 200k one year deal.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

I disagree mate, imagine if you played for an AFL club and earned AA honours as a fwd, then you were switched down back(somewhere you'd never played in your life) and again went AA only to be offered chump change, Leon earn't a 400k 2 year deal IMO, 350k minimum, instead he was offered a sub 200k one year deal.

Fair enough, I do agree that his 2011 was very good. However, he was paid very well over the duration of his career. The club may not have factored in such a great year and thus, a greater contractual reward. Our salary cap had very little wriggle room. I don't think he would have signed for two years either. In normal circumstances, I think he should have been offered a better deal. And I do think most Collingwood supporters rate him as a player.

 

[the distributer]

Fair enough, I do agree that his 2011 was very good. However, he was paid very well over the duration of his career. The club may not have factored in such a great year and thus, a greater contractual reward. Our salary cap had very little wriggle room. I don't think he would have signed for two years either. In normal circumstances, I think he should have been offered a better deal. And I do think most Collingwood supporters rate him as a player.

Yeah good reply, but damn, I wish we had him in 2012.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Yeah good reply, but damn, I wish we had him in 2012.

That I can agree on. We still haven't replaced him in the backline (miss his skill and pinpoint passing) and we also lack a genuine classy forward of his ilk. So two of him would be good.

 

[Quicky]

I just wish he was externally regarded by Collingwood fans, obviously he isn't, you don't dump AAs for a hundred K or so, especially ones who made AA in their first year in a new craft.

You're insinuating it was something rotten or wrong at our club.

It could well have been, and likely did, come down to raw numbers.

The unfortunate nature (or strength depending on how you view it) of our competition is that it operates under a salary cap.

The space within this is finite. What we don't know is what we would have had to sacrifice from the list to accommodate Leon's contract demands (which may well have been reasonable given the year he had).

The trade off was likely (and I'd wager) not worth it.

 

[the distributer]

You're insinuating it was something rotten or wrong at our club.

It could well have been, and likely did, come down to raw numbers.

The unfortunate nature (or strength depending on how you view it) of our competition is that it operates under a salary cap.

The space within this is finite. What we don't know is what we would have had to sacrifice from the list to accommodate Leon's contract demands (which may well have been reasonable given the year he had).

The trade off was likely (and I'd wager) not worth it.

We both know why he didn't accept the contract, the value of it played second fiddle to Leon's disliking of Bucks, we all know that though, but IMO the offer given to him meant that disliking wasn't a one way street.

Leon was never a problem off the field, IMO he was a priority to be signed for 2012, we we're smack bang in the middle of our window.

 

[the distributer]

We probably ended up paying toovey more FFS.

And please don't compare Toovs to Leon, I can't afford another laptop.

 

[THATSGOLD]

We both know why he didn't accept the contract, the value of it played second fiddle to Leon's disliking of Bucks, we all know that though, but IMO the offer given to him meant that disliking wasn't a one way street.

Leon was never a problem off the field, IMO he was a priority to be signed for 2012, we we're smack bang in the middle of our window.

The way Leon Davis was treated was probably the worst in the history of the Collingwood Football Club.

 

[THATSGOLD]

We both know why he didn't accept the contract, the value of it played second fiddle to Leon's disliking of Bucks, we all know that though, but IMO the offer given to him meant that disliking wasn't a one way street.

Leon was never a problem off the field, IMO he was a priority to be signed for 2012, we we're smack bang in the middle of our window.

The way Leon Davis was treated was probably the worst in the history of the Collingwood Football Club.

 

[Bay Pie]

We both know why he didn't accept the contract, the value of it played second fiddle to Leon's disliking of Bucks, we all know that though, but IMO the offer given to him meant that disliking wasn't a one way street.

Leon was never a problem off the field, IMO he was a priority to be signed for 2012, we we're smack bang in the middle of our window.

What a load of shit. Leon wanted the coin, pure and simple. He thought he'd head home, which was his excuse at the time but cleverly masked his desire for a big payout in his last year knowing full well, given his age, it would be his last. Most reports through the year said he was going to retire so cap space was spent elsewhere.

Leon was very good in the H&A season in 2011, no doubt. Being able to back up his good seasons with another directly after was not a strong point, nor was his finals performances including 2011.

You do realise that Leon nominated for the pre season draft and had no takers. Reportedly due to his asking price. Your hatred of Bucks has sadly taken over all you're thoughts and ability to see things from any other perspective. You have painted yourself into such a corner that you have little choice but to continue you anti- Bucks crusade even when facts stare you in the face.

Additionally, Luke Ball was of more significant value to the team then Leon. History proves that. How'd we go with and without him? Now compare that to Leon?

 

[DIDAIC0S]

I just wish he was externally regarded by Collingwood fans, obviously he isn't, you don't dump AAs for a hundred K or so, especially ones who made AA in their first year in a new craft.

You do dump them if they can't preform in big games, you've paid overs for years and they at expecting even more in the twilight of their career.



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[Maggie5]

We both know why he didn't accept the contract, the value of it played second fiddle to Leon's disliking of Bucks, we all know that though, but IMO the offer given to him meant that disliking wasn't a one way street.

Leon was never a problem off the field, IMO he was a priority to be signed for 2012, we we're smack bang in the middle of our window.

Why am I not surprised that you managed to get back to Bucks? Like a spider weaving a web. Finished now?

 

[Quicky]

We both know why he didn't accept the contract, the value of it played second fiddle to Leon's disliking of Bucks, we all know that though, but IMO the offer given to him meant that disliking wasn't a one way street.

You make this comment as though it is a statement of fact when really we don't know. You're making an assumption.

 

[Quicky]

Why am I not surprised that you managed to get back to Bucks? Like a spider weaving a web. Finished now?

To be fair Maggie it is a thread about Buckley recognising that he needs to improve/tighten relationships with the playing group. Buckley's past relationships with players (whether those perceptions are right or not is debatable) seems like a relevant part of the discussion.

 

[Maggie5]

To be fair Maggie it is a thread about Buckley recognising that he needs to improve/tighten relationships with the playing group. Buckley's past relationships with players (whether those perceptions are right or not is debatable) seems like a relevant part of the discussion.

You are right, sorry, took some angry pills this morning.

 

[lozza63]

I think that after our previous coaching incumbent of 12 seasons, the list we had at the end of 2011 - getting the formula right for Bucks would have been/is a massive undertaking.

I think the learning curve was so great, player relationships so complex and changing landscapes across top teams difficult to counter let alone injury also - i wasnt happy with 2013 in many respects - my expectations were too high i suppose.

I think that we look to be really on the ball now - i contrast this NAB result with last year and for sure Bucks has the boys mind on the job - simplistic perhaps yet i just felt that last year I was whinging about Swanny and Heater's skin folds (as an example of my nit picking) - in my mind I was blaming Bucks for that - really the players should have been way more professional.

Looking at Swanny now he looks better than ever, and i feel he could have his best season ever.
Adams is a breath of fresh air - who will impact our midfield immediately, i think we have the most exciting mid rotation mix in the comp now - Pendles, Swan, Beams, Sidey, Adams, Lumumba, Young, Thomas, Caff, Blair and Seedsman. I add Martin, Dwyer, BenKen and Elliott also thrown into that mix.

White - this guy is really scary - quick and agile KPFs are rare indeed!

Reid - swingman of the highest ilk!

Rucks - our achilles heel - Grundy looks great, will need help though.

Yep Wednesday night allayed all my anxieties about our season - i think the team is now all on the same page.

 

[ClaytonM]

It's because his longing for Mick will never cease. If Mick remained coach in 2012, Leon would have stayed. We should have offered Leon whatever $ he wanted because his 2011 season was the greatest of all time. This is despite almost losing Toovey and Macaffer at the end of 2011 due to our tight salary cap. Also not factored in is that Leon was overpaid for the three years preceding his retirement. However, if Leon stayed and Mick slightly tweaked his obsolete game plan we would have won the 2012 flag, regardless of the key injuries we sustained throughout the season. Oh, and I forgot to mention Leon had a fairly ordinary 2011 grand final, Varcoe made him look silly, despite what the stats say.

Nice summary, well done,.

 

[the distributer]

Why am I not surprised that you managed to get back to Bucks? Like a spider weaving a web. Finished now?

I thought the thread was about Buckley.

 

[mike123]

Why does everybody talk as if losing Caff would have been a big deal?

We had enough midfield and forward depth to cover his loss.

He didn't play year after so we clearly showed we didn't need him.

But losing Davis impacted on our rebound and that was clearly shown.

He might be a good tagger now but Leon was AA.

 

[ClaytonM]

I disagree mate, imagine if you played for an AFL club and earned AA honours as a fwd, then you were switched down back(somewhere you'd never played in your life) and again went AA only to be offered chump change, Leon earn't a 400k 2 year deal IMO, 350k minimum, instead he was offered a sub 200k one year deal.

If Leon was as valuable as u think he was (the best in the AFL era) why did no other team pick him up? Hard to understand if that type of a player with no major injury or behavioural issues was on the market that no other club would pick him up. Defies logic.

The club (bucks) has been criticised for letting go players such as Davis, Jolly, Didak and Kraks. But if they had any real value another teams would have picked them up. Compare that to Geelong who let Chapman and Podsy go and other clubs picked them up. Could u imagine the outcry if Chapman was one of ours and we let him go and the Bomber picked him up. I think on the issue of letting ageing players go Bucks and the club have got it 100% right.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Why does everybody talk as if losing Caff would have been a big deal?

We had enough midfield and forward depth to cover his loss.

He didn't play year after so we clearly showed we didn't need him.

But losing Davis impacted on our rebound and that was clearly shown.

He might be a good tagger now but Leon was AA.

At the time, this was before Jamie Elliott came onto the scene and we were missing a pivotal 3rd tall which he was relishing in (I think this was before his injury).

So yes, he was important at the time, but still is as a tagger and possible midfielder/

 

[Old Spice]

The way Leon Davis was treated was probably the worst in the history of the Collingwood Football Club.

Jesus, what nonsense.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

you don't dump AAs for a hundred K or so

Geez, it depends on what game you're playing and what street you're on, pre-flop of course you don't dump AAs, you get as much in the pot as you can... but everything changes after the flop.