Because I have seen enough. Why not bang your head against a brick wall 22 times instead of 7 just to see if the outcome changes?
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Autopsy Pies v Bombers. Pies lose. Again. Sad face. Angry face. Acceptance face.
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You've seen enough from 8 broken up games?
Please....
If he was in his first year getting 20 disposals and 6 marks off half back in his 8th game you'd be delighted. He doesn't deserve to be marked harder than a first year player given the circumstances.
First time in 12 years (2005) that Essendon were able to defeat Collingwood twice in a season. Collingwood are no longer doing the basics well since they have returned from their bye. Fantasia was profound for the Bombers, as he was able to clinch the game with 5 majors in Essendon's win by 37 points. He received excellent service from Watson, Heppell & Zaharakis. Hurley & Kelly were very good in defence, who were supported by Darcy Parish & David Myers. Merrett was subdued by the tagging role of Levi Greenwood, who gave Zac Merrett an errant elbow and shall expect a spell on the pine. Bellchambers had an explosive start in outpointing Grundy in the 1st quarter, where he set the tone for his side after that. From a Collingwood perspective, there were hardly any winners, especially when the game was there to be won. The players who can hold their head high are Fasolo (4 goals & 8 marks), Elliott (3 goals & 10 marks), Langdon (24 disposals & 10 marks), Pendlebury (29 possessions) & Sidebottom (26 disposals). Collingwood's VFL squadron on the other hand, had a hard-earned win by 26 points in Geelong against Geelong's VFL team. Kayle Kirby is having an incredibly good VFL season with 4 goals, meaning Kirby was the difference. Next game is on the Gold Coast on July 15 against the Suns. It will be my Birthday Bash as I turn 27 on July 18. Aim for a win away from home, the Magpies shall.
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Indeed. Utterly unique.
No I don't, not this - this is all above the shoulder stuff but by and large our skills development is lacking and it shows more than the other teams in the league and the panel has to be accountable for the amount of howlers we make
Now you're just assuming I hate but I don't I really wanted us to succeed, dislike what the succession plan? Yeah but hate is a strong word
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Thanks for a reasonable response.
It's fair to say that the club is not developing our recruits which is a reflection on the coaching panel. Our game plan could take advantage of our strengths which is not happening. This in turn makes the players look less effective on the field.
We both wanted the club to succeed and it hasn't. They have to own that fact and also that the succession plan was a FUBAR.
Having said all that I don't blame Bucks for wanting to take the reins in 2012, and I still respect him as a proper Collingwood guy and a better human being than Malthouse.
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I don't know we have some talent there but it just hasn't gelled. When the 1 in 10 games we do play well we look good but back that up with "competitive performances", code for hanging tough but never really threatening to win a game.
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throw in Diacos and a few other young guys. The next 7 weeks are dead rubbers give us something to look forward to watching.
Historically this 2nd half of the season fall away has happened for a few seasons (2014, 2015 and 2017).
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Adams needs a leg and brain transplant
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There are heaps of other examples in the coaching circles
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Good coaches make ordinary players play their roles within a team. Bad coaches take good players and either trade them away or regress their skill
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What that he was a high draft pick that was the "potential" the way forward and who has languished in the VFL when not injured. Another reason why the re-build we didn't need to have failed. Just another nail for the coffin
Agreed absolutely, who wouldn't take an offer like that. There is rumor that Nathan offered to step in when it suited mm but Eddie didn't want to go down that path because of how that would look publicly about the succession plan; wouldn't be surprised if this took place.
I know in the end mm went all unlikeable like and you know what? Not interested in that; what I do like about mm is his ability to recognize an individual's strengths and use it to the advantage of the team (development) and going by the interview on SEN with Ben Hart - Nathan is a "my way or the highway" type. I find that detrimental to the development of the players and to the team and club as a whole
I've stated many times that Nathans plan; when it is executed is almost impossible to defeat BUT is equally taxing and difficult to pull off unless you have a team of AA's; it's asking too much over the course of the season of the group we have maybe even for a gws
In the end, this is Scharenberg's first year back from multiple knee reconstructions, and a dual foot operation in his debut year. I'm not writing him off just yet.
If we continue to play like we are we may very well be partying like it is 1999.
I think having been in the system for a lot longer than a 1st year player and being a pick 6 means that expectation should be slightly higher than say Brown. This is despite his 2 ACLs.
Aside from his output (which can improve over time and with experience) it seems that loose intercept marking is his only strength. Natural redeeming traits such as any of aggression, footskills, handball, vision, tackling, contested marking, body positioning, speed, savviness have not been on display. It's not that I want him to fail but I agree with Domus, it doesn't look great. I hope that he and I are "wrong" in that he does display some redeeming characteristic over time.
IMO the selection and non-selection of Scharenberg this year has stalled his development. Perhaps with a longer-term approach we would see Scharenberg "gifted" games to get some experience this year.
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And his performances have been significantly better than Brown's, so I guess that's a box ticked for you?
I think you're agreeing with me here in a roundabout way? He needs exposure at the top level, and up to now he's never had more than 3 senior games in succession. He already dominates the VFL, so it's up to the selection committee now to bite the bullet, give him a solid block of senior games, and let him prove that he was worth the investment we made. This is the perfect time to do it, is it not, with our season already cooked?
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Our views are not inconsistent. I am more optimistic than Domus but I have been disappointed with his output despite his injuries and selection issues. Yoyoing between the 1s and 2s will not help anyone.
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I don't think the club is writing him off Dave. Once/If we get a new coach, I'm sure the new coach will give every opportunity for a player to prove himself.
Yep. I was staggered by his lack of pace. He was left behind on the lead in a matter of three or four paces.
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Scharenberg's non-selection has been purely structural. Even Ben Reid was dropped because of too many talls in defence. Simply put, Dunn, Goldsack and Howe have been picking themselves. And Buckley clearly has a preference for Langdon as he is a bit more physically developed that Scharenberg.
Now that finals are no longer on the cards, I think we can dispense with the structure issues, and simply play the guys who deserve selection. Scharenberg has deserved selection. If it means having to thrown Reid forward, then so be it. We need to pump games into the likes of Scharenberg...particularly when VFL form warrants it.
Now that finals are no longer on the cards, I think we can dispense with the structure issues, and simply play the guys who deserve selection. Scharenberg has deserved selection. If it means having to thrown Reid forward, then so be it. We need to pump games into the likes of Scharenberg...particularly when VFL form warrants it.
Speak for yourself. I am worried. I have never thought Scarenburg was a good choice and don't believe I ever will be happy with giving up pick 6 for him. On AFL form, I cannot believe he was ever thought worthy of pick 3.
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