Player X or Player Y

[Huey]

vince or gibbs? I would go Gibbs because he gives you another captain option and gets over 100 more consistently

 

[360noscope]

Interesting because they are both very good picks. Vince should improve more and is a lot cheaper but Gibbs is a safer pick. I would go Vince though.


Ellis vs Broadbent vs Buckley? Three Backs I am seriously considering.

 

[mitchell12345]

Interesting because they are both very good picks. Vince should improve more and is a lot cheaper but Gibbs is a safer pick. I would go Vince though.


Ellis vs Broadbent vs Buckley? Three Backs I am seriously considering.

i don't know much about broadbent but from what i have heard could be looking for more midfield time. from what iv'e heard about buckley is that collingwood are looking to put him in shanon cox's old role, so that could mean he could rack up the stats if he gets games and stays fit. I believe he is a good dter as well as he takes plenty of marks. ellis is currently in my team and it will be interesting to see if he stays in the backs. If he does should be a good pick up. not sure how his pre season is going but he definately has the ability to become a keeper next year baring he doesn't get any injuries.
imo i would go ellis, buckley, broadbent in order of best to worst.
next up:
walker vs dangerfield vs ziebell

 

[Huey]

Interesting because they are both very good picks. Vince should improve more and is a lot cheaper but Gibbs is a safer pick. I would go Vince though.

Interesting that you would go with Vince because the way I see it if Gibbs plays 22 games than you can be very confident that he will be in the top 5 midfielders (aggregate, and maybe average) and perhaps even top 5 in the comp, but vince is cheaper

I dont know about T Walker if he can be consistent enough to choose him, I would want to choose Ziebell as he seems like he would play 22, barring injury (mind you Dangerfield will probably play 22 also) but personally I preferZiebell
Both have upside and are likely to improve their averages but you have to ask are they going to improve to be a keeper. At the prices that they are at they will have to improve to be a keeper for it to be worthwhile

 

[mitchell12345]

Interesting because they are both very good picks. Vince should improve more and is a lot cheaper but Gibbs is a safer pick. I would go Vince though.

Interesting that you would go with Vince because the way I see it if Gibbs plays 22 games than you can be very confident that he will be in the top 5 midfielders (aggregate, and maybe average) and perhaps even top 5 in the comp, but vince is cheaper

I dont know about T Walker if he can be consistent enough to choose him, I would want to choose Ziebell as he seems like he would play 22, barring injury (mind you Dangerfield will probably play 22 also) but personally I preferZiebell
Both have upside and are likely to improve their averages but you have to ask are they going to improve to be a keeper. At the prices that they are at they will have to improve to be a keeper for it to be worthwhile

i meant andew walker from carlton

 

[Lakey91]

What about Ben McGlynn vs Paul Medhurst

Just on this....

Medhursts Stats over the past 5 years:

2005 - 22 @ 51.5
2006 - 12 @ 65.4
2007 - 14 @ 55.4
2008 - 22 @ 87.8
2009 - 16 @ 65.8

Medhurst only had 5 scores above 80 in 2009, and 3 of these came in the first 4 rounds, which is a little worrying for him. I am beginning to think that his 2008 was an anomly (deviation from what is normal/usual/expected), and that we shouldnt expect him to return to an average of 85+ and that 65-75 is probably more his range IMO. Also, whenever I watched him in 2009, he seemed disinterested and cocky - trying to do things that are "special" (ie low percentage) when they just werent on, and failing to do the simple things.

Without some strong training reports and preseason showings, Im not so confident in him.

 

[360noscope]

Yeah but he will be very cheap for a player who played 22 games and averaged 88 points last year. He was never the same after that Brisbane game (about R10 where he knocked his head.

Enright v S Fisher

 

[Hodges]

Fisher. Both about as durable as each other, but Fisher is younger, cheaper and more upside.

Lachie Henderson vs Jack Watts

 

[mitchell12345]

Fisher. Both about as durable as each other, but Fisher is younger, cheaper and more upside.

Lachie Henderson vs Jack Watts

henderson is obviously a lot more expensive then watts but if he gets games at his new club he could be a good pick up although there may be better options around that range. Watts could be someone this year to put on your bench.

next: What are the opinions about danger vs ziebell vs sidebottom

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I like all of them throw in Barry Hall aswell.

They are all midfielders who could possibly be classified as forwards.

Collingwood have lost Marty Clarks and Shannon Cox. I think their replacements will be Buckley and Sidebottom. Sidebottom to play a HBF/wing role IMO. With collingwood adding to their midfield through Luke Ball.

Ziebell will get plenty of time in the guts with Harvey being used more as a forward and Simpson gone. He should be an onballer. The question marks over him is will a leg break so early in his career affect him durability wise and in general.

Dangerfield has the lease amount of potential and upside. Although i see plenty of more time as a starting onballer and he can go forward to kick multiple goals. He doesnt get marks like the others nor tackles as much as them. But hes cheaper.

Barry Hall has the scores on the board in previous years and is cheap. He is in a better side that looks on the way up and has superb foot skills and clever players like Higgins, Gianciracusa, Akermanis, Gilbee, Griffen who could be laying the footy lace out.

Ziebell, Sidebottom/Danger (Cant split), Hall

other thoughts further on these 4 thanks

 

[dylan123]

I like all of them throw in Barry Hall aswell.

They are all midfielders who could possibly be classified as forwards.

Collingwood have lost Marty Clarks and Shannon Cox. I think their replacements will be Buckley and Sidebottom. Sidebottom to play a HBF/wing role IMO. With collingwood adding to their midfield through Luke Ball.


Dangerfield has the lease amount of potential and upside. Although i see plenty of more time as a starting onballer and he can go forward to kick multiple goals. He doesnt get marks like the others nor tackles as much as them. But hes cheaper.

Ziebell, Sidebottom/Danger (Cant split), Hall

other thoughts further on these 4 thanks

I would not throw Hall into the mix with Ziebell, Sidebottom and Danger just because i think his a bit too old and risky to pick into a side with injury + suspension worries. I think Mayne is another 1 you could throw into the mix but that may just be me.

I think your point on sidebottom is interesting if he does happen to get a role off half back/wing. Be something to watch in the pre season games

Atm I am looking at getting all 3 players. Maybe because im a Crows supporter I think Danger is going to do better then most of you but i think his been a little under rated but once again that could just be me.

Looking at all 3 players and a few stats I think there is not as much in it as a few others think.
Some random stats (not including finals)
Sidebottom: DT avg=64, Disposals per game avg =15.625, DT points each touch =4.096
Ziebell: DT avg=65, Disposals per game avg =15.5, DT points each touch =4.193
Dangerfield: DT avg=52, Disposals per game avg =12.94, DT points each touch =4.057

Not sure how useful these are since it does not factor in tackles and such.

Having a quick look at them though, all 3 players look fairly close. If Danger can lift his disposal per game higher he should be able to average just as much as the other 2. I believe he can do this since this will be his first pre season with the club so he should have a much better fitness base this season compared to last so he should be able to be in the mid for longer so i can see him been pretty even with the other 2. Also, Danger is a extra year older so his body should be a little more mature and be able to withstand be in the guts of it all.

Anyways thats just what i have to say, also like to hear what others think about Ziebell, Sidebottom, Danger, Hall and Mayne

Edit: looking further into it, I think ziebell is the best option because with 15.5 touches a game, 70% are kicks to 30% handballs
Sidebottom= 53% kicks to 47% handballs
Danger= 35%kicks to 65% handballs

Alright, looks like Danger may not be as good as i thought after seeing those stats, Cant see through the Crows colours

 

[Lakey91]

Some random stats (not including finals)
Sidebottom: DT avg=64, Disposals per game avg =15.625, DT points each touch =4.096
Ziebell: DT avg=65, Disposals per game avg =15.5, DT points each touch =4.193
Dangerfield: DT avg=52, Disposals per game avg =12.94, DT points each touch =4.057

For me, these stats are way too similar to have any real significance. Maybe if sidebottom was 4.5 DT points:disposals and dangerfield 3.5 DT:disposals but its really not that significant. For example, if ziebell and dangerfield both had 20 touches than ziebell would score 83.86DT and Danger 81.14DT - not really that significant a difference (2.7DT). Plus the sample size is relatively small for ziebell/sidebottom IMO.

 

[dylan123]

For me, these stats are way too similar to have any real significance. Maybe if sidebottom was 4.5 DT points:disposals and dangerfield 3.5 DT:disposals but its really not that significant. For example, if ziebell and dangerfield both had 20 touches than ziebell would score 83.86DT and Danger 81.14DT - not really that significant a difference (2.7DT). Plus the sample size is relatively small for ziebell/sidebottom IMO.

What i was trying to show was that they are all reasonably close in DT scores just a matter of possessions to how they go. Looking into this a little further I took a look at Bartel and Swan to see what they get and Bartel gets 3.975 and Swan gets 3.744 so I am not sure how useful these stats are.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

Without some strong training reports and preseason showings, Im not so confident in him.

Just on Medders, here are a few things Harry O'Brien said about him:

Medhurst was battling an ankle injury that you alll would not know about. He is one to watch for 2010

Medders bes pos. is obviously fwd where he can be creative. He is 100% fit and is flying thru preseaon

Hopefully that's true.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Danger avg 52 and avg 13 posses so he gets 4 or just over 4 points per disposal. So if he can increase his disposal avg up to 18 (what i reckon he will get next year) than he will avg 72 points if he continues 4 points per dispsosal. Or an 80 avg if he can reach that 20 disposal avg.

Dylan123, i have a feeling if he gets a really good pre season under his belt he will be a starting onballer next year. Can you see him lining up next to Thompson and Vince in the middle. His intensity and clearnace capabilites are awesome from watching him and Adelaide will look to get onball midfield time into him. Edwards on the way out and Shirley gone has possibly opened up a spot for him. If i was to select a crows best 22 i would put him onball, i rate him that much. Where do you think he will play how much time as a forward,bench, midfield ect. What are the supporters general feelings of him.

 

[Hodges]

The only thing holding him back, is that he looked pretty effective up forward. He was a good lead-up target, and his strong body held him in good stead in one-on-one contests. Depending on how Adelaides forward line stacks up next year, he could stay there permanently. Its not like the Crows are lacking in quality mids either.

 

[360noscope]

Lachie Henderson vs Jack Watts[/quote]

I wouldn't touch either with a ten foot pole.

 

[Hodges]

Cool. Do you have any reasons why?

 

[Thumpy]

Cooney, Dalziell or Luke Ball?

 

[Good Win]

I'd lean towards Cooney. He has the runs on the board and if he has a full preseason it could see him reach an 100ppg ave. Dalziell i'm not too keen on for the simple fact he plays for West Coast and besides Cox there aren't any premium keepers (Embley, Priddis i hear you). Who knows about Ball. Could struggle or smash it up at the Pies.

Kennedy, LeCras or Porplyzia

 

[timster]

I would go Jack of Hendy. Being the number 1 draft pick last year and having a full preseason this year, with Melb improving slightly, not trying to tank, Jack should get some good scores. He should play most games too!
Hendy - I think Carl will play more a bulldogs type forward line - and he won't be the focus point (Jarrod Waite, The irish santa, and vodka cruizer will all share the focus point role).
Cheers

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

I'd lean towards Cooney. He has the runs on the board and if he has a full preseason it could see him reach an 100ppg ave. Dalziell i'm not too keen on for the simple fact he plays for West Coast and besides Cox there aren't any premium keepers (Embley, Priddis i hear you). Who knows about Ball. Could struggle or smash it up at the Pies.

Kennedy, LeCras or Porplyzia

Not really keen on any of these.
Maybe Kennedy for the upside.
LeCras (not much upside), Porps (shoulder concerns).


Buddy Franklin vs Brent Harvey

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Buddy is making my head spin, whether to pick him or not. I see the potential upside, but he has a few cons against him. Missing the first game, points against him through suspension and the fact that hes a key forward who can have that bad game and be picked up cheaper.

Hes underpriced no doubt about it and the year before he showed his potential in Dream Team. Hes also pretty durable has played 21 and 22 last 2 years and the hawks should also improve on last year.

But im also starting 2 rookie priced players in the forwards even though the more premium type rookies their still rookies. So in round 3 i would than be having to play 3 and not knowing the entire side for round 1 could mean an early zero or a couple of bad scores.

Im gonna go with Buddy as i think age, tags, in a weak side could win wooden spoon will all affect Harveys output.

Deledio vs Gianciracusa

 

[banana_hammock]

Buddy is making my head spin, whether to pick him or not. I see the potential upside, but he has a few cons against him. Missing the first game, points against him through suspension and the fact that hes a key forward who can have that bad game and be picked up cheaper.

Hes underpriced no doubt about it and the year before he showed his potential in Dream Team. Hes also pretty durable has played 21 and 22 last 2 years and the hawks should also improve on last year.

But im also starting 2 rookie priced players in the forwards even though the more premium type rookies their still rookies. So in round 3 i would than be having to play 3 and not knowing the entire side for round 1 could mean an early zero or a couple of bad scores.

Im gonna go with Buddy as i think age, tags, in a weak side could win wooden spoon will all affect Harveys output.

Deledio vs Gianciracusa

disregarding price, Deledio.

halfway through the year i seem to remember he was on the verge of being dropped. he then lifted and the end of his year was phenomenal. i can easily see him continuing that sort of form, and more, with another season under the belt.

giansiracusa is still good of course, but i cant see him getting the same sort of numbers as deledio. especially since he plays mostly up forward.

this has probably been mentioned a couple of times, but.

cotchin vs callan ward vs palmer

 

[favourites]

I like all of them throw in Barry Hall aswell.

They are all midfielders who could possibly be classified as forwards.

Collingwood have lost Marty Clarks and Shannon Cox. I think their replacements will be Buckley and Sidebottom. Sidebottom to play a HBF/wing role IMO. With collingwood adding to their midfield through Luke Ball.

Ziebell will get plenty of time in the guts with Harvey being used more as a forward and Simpson gone. He should be an onballer. The question marks over him is will a leg break so early in his career affect him durability wise and in general.

Dangerfield has the lease amount of potential and upside. Although i see plenty of more time as a starting onballer and he can go forward to kick multiple goals. He doesnt get marks like the others nor tackles as much as them. But hes cheaper.

Barry Hall has the scores on the board in previous years and is cheap. He is in a better side that looks on the way up and has superb foot skills and clever players like Higgins, Gianciracusa, Akermanis, Gilbee, Griffen who could be laying the footy lace out.

Ziebell, Sidebottom/Danger (Cant split), Hall

other thoughts further on these 4 thanks

Ill have a crack at a couple of things, Clarke didn't play after round 12, so you could safely say Collingwood replaced him already, as for Cox he played his last game round 13.

Ziebell by most reports are he is training up to play half forward this year, which may hamper his scores a little bit.

Sidebottom now has Ball to take his game time.

Dangerfield looks to have a safe spot in the team.

I'd say Ziebel, Dangerfield, Sidebottom in that order.

FWIW ill be more than likely picking Dangerfield as he fits my structure (and to me it's not a wasted trade to upgrade him).

Deledio, Sylvia, Higgins, Franklin, Walker, Dangerfield and Trengrove.