Expansion PNG Joins NRL .......... Options For AFL ??

[RedV3x]

.China will continue trying to influence PNG.

Let's assume for a moment that you are right.

If the Australian government does nothing then China will succeed.

So Australia attempting to influence the PNG is a good thing and China attempting to influence the PNG is a bad thing ?
You are naive to the extreme to think that Australia can influence the PNG.
You are naive to the extreme to think that China cannot influence the PNG.
You are ludicrous to the extreme to think that Australia can influence the PNG by using NRL

Australia is a minnow.
instead of Australia aligning itself with a Trump U.S.A. Australia might think of better long-term partnerships
especially since China is our major trading partner.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

We know that. In saying that, the national cricket team would not make a Cricket World Cup by accident. There is clearly an interest in a range of sports and the Wikipedia page you linked does state this.

Because Australia is buying the love of the PNG populace who would then through a democracy/public support/desire want PNG to continue a security pact with Australia and not China.

The population loves Rugby League more than cricket. Fewer people attend national cricket game matches in PNG than Queensland cup games.

In any case, the cricket team is on the slide, and qualifying for that T20 WC was a bit of dumb luck and an aberration.

It qualified for the 2024 T20 WC by virtue of being the best EAP team - woop de do, they beat Japan and Samoa to get there.

In 50 over cricket they went 0-5 in the Qualifier playoff, including losing to Jersey, meaning that they're about the 30th best cricket team in the world right now

 

[RedV3x]

Because Australia is buying the love of the PNG populace who would then through a democracy/public support/desire want PNG to continue a security pact with Australia and not China.

The Albanese Australian government is attempting buying the love of some of the PNG populace who would then by some wishful thinking want PNG to continue a security pact with Australia and not China.
Thus Australian taxpayers are paying the PNG to allow Australian taxpayers to spend more money in support the PNG.

The population loves Rugby League more than cricket.

i love how people make these sweeping statements.
It is debatable how much of the public would be considered sporting fans, sporting fans fanatical enough
to allow sport to overshadow logical and economic thinking. How much of the population of PNG are concerned with simply existing, finding employment and health services and even know of Chinese connections ?

Would a more effective and long-term strategy be a loan with strings attached.
A loan that would allow crucial infrastructure to be built, used and appreciated in the long term.

This strategy by the Albanese ego-trippers ignores the fact that the PNG is constituted by by very diverse regional groups who are not under the umbrella of port Moresby.

 

[Bjo187]

The Albanese Australian government is attempting buying the love of some of the PNG populace who would then by some wishful thinking want PNG to continue a security pact with Australia and not China.
Thus Australian taxpayers are paying the PNG to allow Australian taxpayers to spend more money in support the PNG.





i love how people make these sweeping statements.
It is debatable how much of the public would be considered sporting fans, sporting fans fanatical enough
to allow sport to overshadow logical and economic thinking. How much of the population of PNG are concerned with simply existing, finding employment and health services and even know of Chinese connections ?

Would a more effective and long-term strategy be a loan with strings attached.
A loan that would allow crucial infrastructure to be built, used and appreciated in the long term.

This strategy by the Albanese ego-trippers ignores the fact that the PNG is constituted by by very diverse regional groups who are not under the umbrella of port Moresby.

Don't bother, threenewpadlocks is in campaign mode with an election coming up. He literally thinks Albanese has no nrl conflict of interest and all $650 million tax payer dollars (including the $300 mill for all the other nrl clubs and to spread the code internationally) is justified.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The Albanese Australian government is attempting buying the love of some of the PNG populace who would then by some wishful thinking want PNG to continue a security pact with Australia and not China.
Thus Australian taxpayers are paying the PNG to allow Australian taxpayers to spend more money in support the PNG.





i love how people make these sweeping statements.
It is debatable how much of the public would be considered sporting fans, sporting fans fanatical enough
to allow sport to overshadow logical and economic thinking. How much of the population of PNG are concerned with simply existing, finding employment and health services and even know of Chinese connections ?

Would a more effective and long-term strategy be a loan with strings attached.
A loan that would allow crucial infrastructure to be built, used and appreciated in the long term.

This strategy by the Albanese ego-trippers ignores the fact that the PNG is constituted by by very diverse regional groups who are not under the umbrella of port Moresby.

Don't bother, threenewpadlocks is in campaign mode with an election coming up. He literally thinks Albanese has no nrl conflict of interest and all $650 million tax payer dollars (including the $300 mill for all the other nrl clubs and to spread the code internationally) is justified.

Bloody hell I'm not claiming for a second that this is the best way of spending money to achieve Pacific security.

Just that I'm not pretending that there isn't a genuine bipartisan view as China as a genuine security threat. I'm not pretending that PNG doesn't love Rugby League (they do). I'm not pretending that a PNG team isn't a massive hassle and negative for the economics for the NRL and the taxypayer dollars just offsets that hassle (as opposed to benefitting the code somehow).

Pretending that the PNG team isn't a burden on the NRL (as opposed to a benefit), pretending the populace of PNG doesn't love Rugby League, pretending that there isn't a genuine battle for geopolitical security in the China vs. USA battle over the pacific, pretending that we aren't tied to the US, pretending that Rugby League can't have a role to play in geopolitics, is all just head in the sand stuff.

 

[RedV3x]

Bloody hell I'm not claiming for a second that this is the best way of spending money to achieve Pacific security.

It's not even a good or effective way.

China is a security threat.

That buys our iron ore.
PNG doesn't love Rugby League as to overcome common sense, logic and real world conditions.
as to overcome common sense, logic and real world conditions.
a PNG team is a massive hassle and negative for the economics for the NRL
So why take this approach.- oh that's right, because the Australian taxpayers are mugs for funding it.
Were we even asked - NO.
the PNG team is a burden on the NRL
the populace of PNG doesn't love Rugby League above every thingh else.
There is a geopolitical security in the China vs. USA battle over the pacific - NOT Australia.
To argue that Rugby League can have a role to play in geopolitics is purely insane, the musings of a megalomaniac

 

[Bjo187]

I'm not pretending that a PNG team isn't a massive hassle and negative for the economics for the NRL and the taxypayer dollars just offsets that hassle (as opposed to benefitting the code somehow).

Pretending that the PNG team isn't a burden on the NRL (as opposed to a benefit), pretending the populace of PNG doesn't love Rugby League, pretending that there isn't a genuine battle for geopolitical security in the China vs. USA battle over the pacific, pretending that we aren't tied to the US, pretending that Rugby League can't have a role to play in geopolitics, is all just head in the sand stuff.

This is the pretending part, because it didn't just 'off set' the hassle on the poor old nrl as you claim, but it is a blatant attempt by your mate Albo to spread his favourite sport internationally and strengthen all the other NRL clubs bottom lines in the meantime, using Aussie tax dollars.

So it's not just the deal, but the sheer magnitude of money he's giving to the NRL to do this. It is so exorbitant, nobody in their right mind with a non biased view could pretend otherwise.

 

[RedV3x]

So it's not just the deal, but the sheer magnitude of money he's giving to the NRL to do this. It is so exorbitant, nobody in their right mind with a non biased view could pretend otherwise.

Even my NRL friends in Perth are disgusted with this use of taxpayers money.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

This is the pretending part, because it didn't just 'off set' the hassle on the poor old nrl as you claim, but it is a blatant attempt by your mate Albo to spread his favourite sport internationally and strengthen all the other NRL clubs bottom lines in the meantime, using Aussie tax dollars.

So it's not just the deal, but the sheer magnitude of money he's giving to the NRL to do this. It is so exorbitant, nobody in their right mind with a non biased view could pretend otherwise.

As if it's some big win for the NRL to have a PNG team? Really? They're going to struggle to fill a team and it's a costly exercise to get the team in and out of Australia and Australians in and out of PNG. The games that they they play will drag down the strength of the code compared to two Australian teams playing each other. It's incredible that you're claiming that anyone stands to benefit (the NRL, Albo, whoever) from a PNG NRL team, other than the average PNG punter who has a team to support and a democracy to vote in.

 

[RedV3x]

As if it's some big win for the NRL to have a PNG team? Really? They're going to struggle to fill a team and it's a costly exercise to get the team in and out of Australia and Australians in and out of PNG. The games that they they play will drag down the strength of the code compared to two Australian teams playing each other.

So WTF would you want to waste $650 million of Australian taxpayers money on it then.

It's incredible that you're .

Trying to defend this incredible waste of Australian taxpayers money.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It's not even a good or effective way.


That buys our iron ore.
PNG doesn't love Rugby League as to overcome common sense, logic and real world conditions.
as to overcome common sense, logic and real world conditions.
a PNG team is a massive hassle and negative for the economics for the NRL
So why take this approach.- oh that's right, because the Australian taxpayers are mugs for funding it.
Were we even asked - NO.
the PNG team is a burden on the NRL
the populace of PNG doesn't love Rugby League above every thingh else.
There is a geopolitical security in the China vs. USA battle over the pacific - NOT Australia.
To argue that Rugby League can have a role to play in geopolitics is purely insane, the musings of a megalomaniac

It’ll probably amount to about ~10% of the aid we give them over that time. It could be the best bang for buck spending the government does. Opinion’s on the importance of geopolitics is sort of irrelevant because the government is willing to spend billions every year on it and the money given to the PNG side seems better value than just about anything else.

 

[RedV3x]

the money given to the PNG side seems better value than just about anything else.

how is a PNG NRL side possibly better than hospitals, roads, transport, infrastructure, emergency planning etc
And it's not a PNG NRL side it's a Port Moresby NTL side.
How are residents outside of Port Moresby going to benefit and how are people in Port Moresby going to benefit ?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

how is a PNG NRL side possibly better than hospitals, roads, transport, infrastructure, emergency planning etc
And it's not a PNG NRL side it's a Port Moresby NTL side.
How are residents outside of Port Moresby going to benefit and how are people in Port Moresby going to benefit ?

It’s not about that. It’s about trying to create a closer connection between the two countries.
why to you think companies sponsor sports and clubs when they could donate that money to better causes?

 

[RedV3x]

It’s not about that. It’s about trying to create a closer connection between the two countries.

Giving aid creates a much better connection and produces exquisitely more benefits.

why to you think companies sponsor sports and clubs

it's called advertising and advertising is to buy you custom.

when they could donate that money to better causes?

Some companies do donate money to causes and they make sure everybody knows about it.
it's called advertising and advertising is to buy you custom.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Giving aid creates a much better connection and produces exquisitely more benefits.



it's called advertising and advertising is to buy you custom.


Some companies do donate money to causes and they make sure everybody knows about it.
it's called advertising and advertising is to buy you custom.

They are still going to be giving aid. You make it sound like one or the other. It’ll be a small proportion of the aid given.
Most sponsors, sponsor to create relationships of one sort or another.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Giving aid creates a much better connection and produces exquisitely more benefits.



it's called advertising and advertising is to buy you custom.


Some companies do donate money to causes and they make sure everybody knows about it.
it's called advertising and advertising is to buy you custom.

The idea that an average Papua New Guinean would prefer an NRL team, rather than additional aid, is not a preposterous one.

 

[Bjo187]

As if it's some big win for the NRL to have a PNG team? Really? They're going to struggle to fill a team and it's a costly exercise to get the team in and out of Australia and Australians in and out of PNG.

I think $650 million should cover the costs of those flights to png instead of say north qld mate, don't stress .

The games that they they play will drag down the strength of the code compared to two Australian teams playing each other.

Interesting my leaguie mate on the gold coast reckons they've done well in the qld cup in some years, which is the second teir comp. Plus any Aussie players going there will be earning like double, due to the no tax deal.

He also reckons it's good for the NRL to expand the code internationally, but thinks the amount of funding is absolutely over the top.

It's incredible that you're claiming that anyone stands to benefit (the NRL, Albo, whoever) from a PNG NRL team, other than the average PNG punter who has a team to support and a democracy to vote in.

Well the Australian public don't benefit. I'm still waiting to see this so called 'agreement', that is conveniently 'confidential'.

I'll take Peter Vlandy's interview slip of the tongue regarding there being no such deal, over hearsay that labor ministers were no doubt told to pedal to the media about a 'secret clause'.

how is a PNG NRL side possibly better than hospitals, roads, transport, infrastructure, emergency planning etc
And it's not a PNG NRL side it's a Port Moresby NTL side.
How are residents outside of Port Moresby going to benefit and how are people in Port Moresby going to benefit ?

Didn't you hear? The $310 million going to the 17 NRL clubs in Australia and New Zealand and the funding for spreading the code in the other countries in the Pacific (that couldn't give a shit about rugby league) benefits us, the Australian public and png public. I haven't figured out how yet though, but thanks albo ....

The idea that an average Papua New Guinean would prefer an NRL team, rather than additional aid, is not a preposterous one.

Was is Leisel Jones or another former Australian athlete that went there this year and stated nobody she met in png wanted an NRL team, the country has bigger problems that need addressing.

 

[DaTBird187]

So WTF would you want to waste $650 million of Australian taxpayers money on it then.

 

[RedV3x]

The idea that an average Papua New Guinean would prefer an NRL team, rather than additional aid, is not a preposterous one.

The idea that an average Papua New Guinean would prefer an NRL team, rather than additional aid, is a preposterous one.

 

[RedV3x]

You make it sound like one or the other.

Yes, it's a waste, pure and simple

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So WTF would you want to waste $650 million of Australian taxpayers money on it then.



Trying to defend this incredible waste of Australian taxpayers money.

It might be a waste but it's not some nefarious strategy to benefit the NRL. Your argument doesn't make sense.

 

[RedV3x]

It might be a waste

Anyone can see it's a total waste of Australian taxpayers money.

but it's not some nefarious strategy to benefit the NRL.

So wtf are the NRL proposing it if it is not to benefit NRL ?
You think adding a team in PNG is not scene as beneficial by some people.?

Your argument doesn't make sense.

So you think gifting a professional sport to add a team to their league in the vague hope that this will endear the rugby league supporters of Port Moresby not to accept influence from China hold water ?
You do realise we're not talking about all of PNG, those parts outside of Port Moresby and those people that don't follow rugby league and thus see no benefit in this expenditure by the Australian government.
You think that the people are so narrowly focused on one particular sport that they wouldn't prefer tangible benefits like the aid that is already given that directly benefits people across the PNG ?
You do realise that you cannot stop Chinese influence You cannot stop China being "nice" to PNG.
People across the world, including Australia and the U.S.A. are buying Chinese products - it's impossible to stop the indirect influence of China just like the indirect influence of some other crucial countries.

If the government is really serious about this move, then what is the international message - Australia is against China.
Remember Scomo's effort in antagonising China - multiple harsh tariffs.
Australia is just recoveri ng from the imposition of those tariffs - do you want them re-installed.

My argument is that this expenditure is totally unwarranted.
My argument is that this expenditure is a total waste.
My argument is that this expenditure will not produce anything
My argument is that this expenditure could totally antagonise China with disastrous consequences for Australia..
My argument is that there are so many other better ways to help PNG.
Selfishly my argument is why are we helping PNG anyway when we have so many crisis at home..

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[Bjo187]

It might be a waste but it's not some nefarious strategy to benefit the NRL. Your argument doesn't make sense.

Rubbish, there are clearly a number of people in this thread that's political affiliation to Labor outweighs looking at this objectively. You guys should be in the politics thread campaigning there instead.

I'm still waiting to hear how the extra $310 million given to the NRL clubs in Aus and Pacific development helps Australia? I mean it's only $310 million, more than triple the afl's annual spend on grassroots development across our entire country, in some places where the Aussie dollar is worth triple the amount of the local currency too.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Even my NRL friends in Perth are disgusted with this use of taxpayers money.

NO Professional sport should receive taxpayers money

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Rubbish, there are clearly a number of people in this thread that's political affiliation to Labor outweighs looking at this objectively. You guys should be in the politics thread campaigning there instead.

I'm still waiting to hear how the extra $310 million given to the NRL clubs in Aus and Pacific development helps Australia? I mean it's only $310 million, more than triple the afl's annual spend on grassroots development across our entire country, in some places where the Aussie dollar is worth triple the amount of the local currency too.

That’s Vlandy’s making the AFL look stupid. The AFL should’ve been able to get a much better deal for Tasmania from the national government imo.
Without doubt the government funding is excessive but the actual side is a great idea from them. The cherry on top was V’landy’s getting through tax free contracts rather than salary cap concessions. Absolutely taking the piss with that move.