Polec chooses Port

[Tex200]

Comparing ourselves with the team in a position similar in Essendon we have done a respectable job. I dont subscribe to our list being in trouble. Grigg, Crouch, Kerridge etc are still around the age of recent draftees. At worst we have a 1 year gap which can be filled but itll take a creative mindset which we haven't shown.

Agree nothing wrong with our talent that has matured like the guys you mention.

The issue is we only have Siggins /Atkins / CEY developing, oh and Osbourne possibly.

But that's about it

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Spot on. Our list is very unbalanced right now. All exciting prospects have blossomed and making their way (apart perhaps from CEY ) .

We have a solid surplus of list cloggers - I expect our reserves to be quite strong next year which is not necessarily a good thing

EXACTLY ! .....someone gets my point

not only do we need to replace the players i already listed ......have to replace Jaensch, Martin, Mckernan, ect

There are only 3 players you could say have the potential to be first 22 players .....Siggins, CEY and Atkins ....but none of them are guarantees ??

 

[Golumless]

How is stating facts an over reaction

If a team, any team does a good job ...shouldn't we acknowledge that ?

Do you think Adelaide is winning the PR battle in Adelaide .......because i doubt few would agree with you

Can i suggest you're over reacting by this post .......I didn't post "Sack Trigg, Burn AO down etc etc" and i haven't seen it posted as a reaction to the Polec trade?

Was directed as a whole, which is the vibe this thread/board has given in the past week. This was just the thread it was posted in.

There is stating facts and then there is this total negative bullshit spin which come with it which most of this thread/a lot of this board has turned into, i mean at the moment, no matter how good or bad we are Port would be winning the PR battle.... they were the ****ing feel good story of the AFL man. This was a side that were in absolute turmoil, with the very real threat of not having a team in 10 years, bay covers etc and by every account they may have turned the corner.

It's their moment in the limelight, it's comparable to Demons getting in the finals, the entire AFL world/media loves them for now. Then when it becomes the norm that they are actually competitive this whole "winning the PR" battle runs out of steam and normal service resumes with us being on top.

Of course we should acknowledge when another team does a good job, i wouldn't use that as spin to say the AFC is utterly hopeless though which has happened this past week.


"Sack Trigg and Burn AO" was just myself using a example to how this board just breaks down at every issue. More used for effect (like myself posting that we might as well be located to Darwin (and yes, i am surprised you didn't bring that comment up as well )) then actually suggesting that they have been used yet. I was trying to get more outlandish with everything i did suggest.


Arguably i did over react a bit, but it does get very tiresome of reading negative spin about everything.

 

[PrideofSA]

Talls take 3 years development, mids normally a couple .......you have to be planning that far ahead and be mindful of needs for team structure and retirees

We have improved our team short term .....Pods is 2 years MAX
It doesn't address the list issues 3 years down the track ......he's a bandaid

You fail to take into consideration the natural development of players on our current list. Some are yet to play a game and some are yet to be drafted. The majority of our list is young enough to improve.


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[Mego Red]

Look BACCS and i'll say this slowly for the hard of hearing ........your commenting about the current team!!

The team is in great shape ....it has 4 rising stars .....it has star players .....BUT WHERE ARE THE YOUNG PLAYERS TO REPLACE the 5 draft picks we lost, or are they really not needed.

If you look at Hawthorn's drafting in the mid-2000's, they maybe got one pick in 5 right, and ballsed up a series of first round picks. You can get past that, if you do other things right - later picks, development, trading, free agency.

I'm not slitting my wrists because we missed out on Tim O'Brien last year.

 

[simmo97]

Talls take 3 years development, mids normally a couple .......you have to be planning that far ahead and be mindful of needs for team structure and retirees

We have improved our team short term .....Pods is 2 years MAX
It doesn't address the list issues 3 years down the track ......he's a bandaid

what other options did we have to improve our firepower up forward next year while Tex gains confidence in his knee?

 

[Mattrox]

How can you improve your team without improving your list?

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Improve your skills and game plan.

 

[hey shorty]

Agree nothing wrong with our talent that has matured like the guys you mention.

The issue is we only have Siggins /Atkins / CEY developing, oh and Osbourne possibly.

But that's about it

If 3 of those 4 can turn into reasonable players then its ok, I mean Crouch is of that draft age too.

 

[Sanders]

The exception doesn't make the rule.

You said never

 

[hey shorty]

What does matter is we MUST get this draft right.

 

[PrideofSA]

Agree nothing wrong with our talent that has matured like the guys you mention.

The issue is we only have Siggins /Atkins / CEY developing, oh and Osbourne possibly.

But that's about it

I would expect improvement still from the following;

Crouch
Grigg
Kerridge
Lyons
Smith
Hartigan
Laird
Johnston
Siggins
Atkins
CEY
Osbourne.


Care to apologise?



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[WaynesWorld19]

If you look at Hawthorn's drafting in the mid-2000's, they maybe got one pick in 5 right, and ballsed up a series of first round picks. You can get past that, if you do other things right - later picks, development, trading, free agency.

I'm not slitting my wrists because we missed out on Tim O'Brien last year.

You're correct ......Essendon made a hash of drafting for 5-6 years ......none really worked & they've depended on father/sons ....and then have rarely made the finals since Sheedy

This is the problem though ....people say we can draft to replace, but as you say it depends on getting your drafting right.
On top of missing 2 years & 5 draft picks ......if we don't get future drafts absolutely spot on, we're in deep s...t

 

[daniel_4tw]

I actually think this is the worst possible thing that could have happened to our club.

At pick 14, Port would have gotten the best available talent, we could have then picked up a good SA boy that slid with our first pick.

Chances are that Port will now pick up that sliding SA boy because the 'sure things' will all be gone, right before our pick.

Sure, pick 14 was better for Port. But pick 21 definitely isn't good for the Crows.

 

[Dangerzone_19]

Talls take 3 years development, mids normally a couple .......you have to be planning that far ahead and be mindful of needs for team structure and retirees

We have improved our team short term .....Pods is 2 years MAX
It doesn't address the list issues 3 years down the track ......he's a bandaid

Agreed Pods is a bandaid, but he is due to Walker and Jenkins coming off leg injuries and he is ready made. In 3 years time, Walker (23), Jenkins (24), Lynch (23) and Johnston (22) should all be still there. At the moment they are young KPP players, not drafting a potential gun KPP one for two years is not going to have an impact like you think it will, it will have one if those players were 26/27 right now, which they are not.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

what other options did we have to improve our firepower up forward next year while Tex gains confidence in his knee?

Look i think the Betts & Pods selections are great and our forward line will be excellent whilst Tex works his way back into form

But i keep saying this, sorry, ....but i am not talking about the current team ....iam talking about our list profile in 3 years time

Our biggest issue last season was lack of forward firepower (now addressed) and outside midfield speed (not addressed) ...........what we didn't have any player options other than Polec/Edwards ...no backup plan?

 

[Dangerzone_19]

I actually think this is the worst possible thing that could have happened to our club.

At pick 14, Port would have gotten the best available talent, we could have then picked up a good SA boy that slid with our first pick.

Chances are that Port will now pick up that sliding SA boy because the 'sure things' will all be gone, right before our pick.

Sure, pick 14 was better for Port. But pick 21 definitely isn't good for the Crows.

I doubt it, Rhode seemed pretty confident that who they had earmarked with their first pick would still be there at 21. West Coast did a similar trade with Collingwood and have been heavily criticised for it since. They are also quietly confident that the player they had earmarked with pick 6 will also still be there at pick 11. Only draft day will tell.

 

[Cap]

Look i think the Betts & Pods selections are great and our forward line will be excellent whilst Tex works his way back into form

But i keep saying this, sorry, ....but i am not talking about the current team ....iam talking about our list profile in 3 years time

Our biggest issue last season was lack of forward firepower (now addressed) and outside midfield speed (not addressed) ...........what we didn't have any player options other than Polec/Edwards ...no backup plan?

so what has Edwards and polec done that say Mackay and any other outside player on our list hasnt done?

they weren't solutions they were both bets, and no different to what we have.

 

[dylan123]

btw Brisbane was never going to trade for 34 and this was always going to be the outcome.

I'm not exactly sure about that. They were never going to accept pick 34 in the first week or two much like Essendon weren't going to accept pick 26 for Crameri straight away. The difference between the two situations was that there was another competitor for Polec in which they managed to get something of higher value than what Port were first offering which meant they had to up their bid. Bulldogs on the other hand no competitors at all for Crameri which meant they didn't have to budge in their offer to Essendon. With a day left Essendon took the deal as they had no one else to work with to get Crameri's price up. Had Brisbane been in the same situation as Essendon then I'd say you would have gotten Polec for pick 34.

Well done by Brisbane imo, they've made the most of a bad hand, playing strong with each player which has saw them get a bit more value out of other teams then they would have if they made deals within the first couple of weeks.

This is in no way having a crack at Port, they did what they had to to get their man, well done.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

You guys ready to do this all over again when Mayes nominates Port next year?

 

[fabs33]

I doubt it, Rhode seemed pretty confident that who they had earmarked with their first pick would still be there at 21. West Coast did a similar trade with Collingwood and have been heavily criticised for it since. They are also quietly confident that the player they had earmarked with pick 6 will also still be there at pick 11. Only draft day will tell.

I doubt it will, neither club will want to admit that they missed out on their target.

 

[Dangerzone_19]

You guys ready to do this all over again when Mayes nominates Port next year?

The bloke you could have drafted last year?

 

[Tex200]

I would expect improvement still from the following;

Crouch
Grigg
Kerridge
Lyons
Smith
Hartigan
Laird
Johnston
Siggins
Atkins
CEY
Osbourne.


Care to apologise?



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Now of that list, there are 4 I have already mentioned. The remainder have clearly matured to either being in our best 22, or in the case of Lyons and Hartigan, very close to it.

You can't possibly think these were who I was referring to as list cloggers????

Now stop being such a silly

 

[noddy]

Look i think the Betts & Pods selections are great and our forward line will be excellent whilst Tex works his way back into form

But i keep saying this, sorry, ....but i am not talking about the current team ....iam talking about our list profile in 3 years time

Our biggest issue last season was lack of forward firepower (now addressed) and outside midfield speed (not addressed) ...........what we didn't have any player options other than Polec/Edwards ...no backup plan?

Mate we didn't have much in the first place to bargain with, get this bloody year over with & we start afresh next year

Has any AFL club had the year we have had when every thing we touched turned into shit!!!!

 

[Mego Red]

You guys ready to do this all over again when Mayes nominates Port next year?

He won't after you guys have had a six win year and we're back in the eight.

 

[noddy]

You guys ready to do this all over again when Mayes nominates Port next year?

Doubt if your board could handle it again going on the number of straight jackets that was used.