Autopsy Poor 1st qtr effort & matchups sees Dogs lose another one to them by 13 pts

[Dogsman16]

Considering you can fudge the medi-sub rule (like Port did with "resting Georgiades for the last qtr against Stk), its even more absurb to not go in with the correct structure.

You can basically sub out someone like Sweet/Khamis if they are doing sweet **** all without any consequences.

 

[ExRoyboy]

Can we please drop McComb? I cannot take anymore of his disposal and to miss that shot for goal at a time when we were all over them but struggling to get a good shot inside 50, that was the most deflating moment and sucked all the momentum and energy away.

He is not up to AFL standard unfortunately. We can’t carry that sort of player in the team.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Interesting comparison of first quarters- Collingwood game vs last night.

Hmm who was our centre square ruckman against Collingwood?

The guy who got dropped last week.

 

[ExRoyboy]

I have actually hated watching every match this season.

It’s so unenjoyable.

Between our poor performances, the ridiculous knee-jerk response to “umpire abuse”, the terrible commentators (Hodge, Daisy Pearce, Montagna).

I swear i’m an addict who refuses to give it up despite the fact that i get zero pleasure from it.

I actually welcome the bye week. duck footy.

Pretty much has summed up how I have felt about this year also. It’s terrible that something I used to get so much enjoyment from is now just a weekly dose of depression and when we play on a Friday it’s even worse, because you have to deal with it for the whole weekend.

Other than beating the Swans, we haven’t won any games that were 50/50 games, we have lost lots of games we should have won and been uncompetitive for large chunks of games and generally played extremely dumb football.

Very hard team to watch at the moment

 

[Foxman98]

If Tim English can tell the club he wants to be number 1 ruck whatever that means THEN

I ask the leadership group yes Bont and co to approach the coach and tell him having a Buku type ruck as backup is not on.

I ask how much training has Buku done as a ruck with the midfielders ?

Hiding to nothing we were at a crucial point in game .

Embarrassing and negligent

English isn’t demanding anything. He is our best ruckman

 

[Highlander]

I would trial a forward line of Naughton, Schache, JUH and Buku. I think it would actually be pretty functional.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

What ever happened to MD?!

He got banned for having a different opinion.

 

[The Inbetweener]

We were +40 for inside 50s across the 2nd and 3rd quarter for only 5 goals. Good god.

We seem easy to play against this year - pressure on the ball and flood our forward line. Eventual turnover and opposition score as they know our defenders are poor 1 on 1. Half of our backline, Daniel, Dale and O’Brien essentially have no defensive craft.

 

[Dog 36]

English isn’t demanding anything. He is our best ruckman

Nor should he.

According to some he’s our only ruckman therefore he’s our best and worst and we saw that last night

 

[fred cook]

I would trial a forward line of Naughton, Schache, JUH and Buku. I think it would actually be pretty functional.

What and replace highly skilled players. like. Mcomb McNeil Scott etc


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[Dogsman16]

The ruck + forward/ruck position has cost us 2 maybe even 3 games already this season. From both a list management and selection perspective.

Last night for starters for obvious reasons.

Getting destroyed by O'Brien in a game we lost by one point against Adelaide. He got 3 coaches votes then got dropped 2 games later. Hardly a superstar in the eyes of his own club.

Carlton game wasnt as clear cut but I thought Pittonet had a major say in getting the ball forward from clearances, especially centre bounces.

Its even worse that these losses aren't against teams with superstar rucks like Melb/Freo. These are bang on average ruck divisions.

We are 6-6. It easily could have been 8-4 or even better. I'll settle for 8-4 as a minimum. Even with a pretty bad run of injuries we could have been 8-4 had our coach identified a pretty simple solution.

 

[doggies ftw]

I would trial a forward line of Naughton, Schache, JUH and Buku. I think it would actually be pretty functional.

Me too, the way the opposition run out of our forward line anyway why not at least have the added strengths of a tall forward line with some marking options. They’re not all gonna be in the forward line at once anyway. Bukus not even a tall he should be a 4th forward, 3rd at a stretch. When the ball goes inside 50 Naughty takes the hitout and English and Buku/Schache drop back to the perimeter to cut off any quick hacks out of defence.

Schache should be a running flanker who gets up and down the middle of the ground all day presenting lead up options - and can pinch hit in the ruck. Naughty deepest and Buku hanging around down there too.

Then we just set up our defence a little bit further back, our last line of defence should no longer set up in front of their opponents - it’s too costly. Our last line of defence should be the deepest players on the field at any one time, the next line can zone and cover space in front - so we don’t let them over the top as easy when they’re coming out and focus more on turning the ball over at half back rather than half forward, with options in the forward half when we’re bringing it out of defence.

I’d love to just see us play some tempo footy, short kicks and repetitive leading and presenting from multiple options up the field, we don’t have to butcher everything trying to play at a million miles an hour every single minute of the game. Need to be able to learn when to go and when not to, but we’ve never quite figured that out.

 

[Boof09]

Because that would require our coach to admit he's wrong.

And we all know that is not going to happen

 

[doggies ftw]

The ruck + forward/ruck position has cost us 2 maybe even 3 games already this season. From both a list management and selection perspective.

Last night for starters for obvious reasons.

Getting destroyed by O'Brien in a game we lost by one point against Adelaide. He got 3 coaches votes then got dropped 2 games later. Hardly a superstar in the eyes of his own club.

Carlton game wasnt as clear cut but I thought Pittonet had a major say in getting the ball forward from clearances, especially centre bounces.

Its even worse that these losses aren't against teams with superstar rucks like Melb/Freo. These are bang on average ruck divisions.

We are 6-6. It easily could have been 8-4 or even better. I'll settle for 8-4 as a minimum. Even with a pretty bad run of injuries we could have been 8-4 had our coach identified a pretty simple solution.

Pittonet and De Koning were up 11-1 hit outs to advantage in the first quarter alone - it was an absolute smashing in the ruck which lead to their clearance dominance. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise knows **** all - definitely count that down as the reason we lost, and it was so obvious it was going to happen looking at the team sheet.

On the Adelaide game I’m not sure I’d count it down as structure, due to us actually going in with a pretty balanced side. Was obviously the wrong call to play Martin over Sweet in hindsight though, which realy could have made the difference considering it was 1 point and how dominant O’Brien was. But balance wise I think we had it right at selection so it’s a tough one.

 

[Some Idiot]

Me too, the way the opposition run out of our forward line anyway why not at least have the added strengths of a tall forward line with some marking options. They’re not all gonna be in the forward line at once anyway. Bukus not even a tall he should be a 4th forward, 3rd at a stretch. When the ball goes inside 50 Naughty takes the hitout and English and Buku/Schache drop back to the perimeter to cut off any quick hacks out of defence.

Schache should be a running flanker who gets up and down the middle of the ground all day presenting lead up options - and can pinch hit in the ruck. Naughty deepest and Buku hanging around down there too.

Then we just set up our defence a little bit further back, our last line of defence should no longer set up in front of their opponents - it’s too costly. Our last line of defence should be the deepest players on the field at any one time, the next line can zone and cover space in front - so we don’t let them over the top as easy when they’re coming out and focus more on turning the ball over at half back rather than half forward, with options in the forward half when we’re bringing it out of defence.

I’d love to just see us play some tempo footy, short kicks and repetitive leading and presenting from multiple options up the field, we don’t have to butcher everything trying to play at a million miles an hour every single minute of the game. Need to be able to learn when to go and when not to, but we’ve never quite figured that out.

Not for me, Can't play Buku and JUH in the same forward line, with both of them gassed in the last quarter, teams will be walking the ball out of defence. Schache isn't quick but at least he'll run the game out. 3 talls I'd be happy with

 

[immortalmike]

The saddest part of last night was how predictable it was. Same problems since 2017 and no signs of improvement. In actuality I think they've become worse.

 

[Dog 36]

I would trial a forward line of Naughton, Schache, JUH and Buku. I think it would actually be pretty functional.

I would be settle with 3 of those 4 as no chance all 4 with Bev.

What will happen is will be Naughton alone .

 

[Dogsman16]

Pittonet and De Koning were up 11-1 hit outs to advantage in the first quarter alone - it was an absolute smashing in the ruck which lead to their clearance dominance. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise knows duck all - definitely count that down as the reason we lost.

On the Adelaide game I’m not sure I’d count it down as structure, due to us actually going in with a pretty balanced side. Was obviously the wrong call to play Martin over Sweet in hindsight though, which realy could have made the difference considering it was 1 point and how dominant O’Brien was. But balance wise I think we had it right at selection so it’s a tough one.

The Adelaide one is a list management one. Having only a broken down 35 year old as a ruck option cost us that game.

 

[Chops]

Can I add dumb switches to that list? It's like our backs and mids are programmed to always think of switching first. If the switch isn't on, or risky, don't friggen do it, go long down the line, particularly if you're deep inside defensive 50.

Making Gardner do the switch is often the issue

 

[Dogsman16]

For the anti Jordan Sweet club answer the question.

If he’s such a liability how come he has a 7 win 1 loss career record. With that sole loss being against the best ruck division in the league. Who then proceeded to destroy our ruck division in the grand final anyway.

Where is the conclusive evidence to suggest taking him out of the side makes us better??

 

[Libbaaaa]

Also Baz sprinting into F50 late in the third and scrubs a kick 2m. Would bet good money that we do this more than any team in the league.

 

[Boof09]

Peak comedy seeing the same people criticizing Gardner, saying he's clearly not AFL standard and he needs to be dropped after a single bad game (when he wasn't even that bad) when we have no KPD depth, then also worshipping the ground Sweet walks on.

He has played so so games for most of the year, some ok, some not so, the point is against good forwards he is not up to it, he won't get dropped after one stinker and he was bad, go and rewatch it if you want confirmation but longer term we keep persisting with mediocrity this is what you get. Agree we have no KPD and that goes back to the coach and his obsession with the same type of player.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Return trip from Perth on a 6 day turn around. I might be dreaming but I reckon we seem to get Geel after a Perth trip nearly every year

It used to be North Melbourne, every year we coped them.

My thoughts, Geelong have been very average this year, it seems like a win loss, win loss, through most of the year. The reason we all thought they were gettable was because they have been so poor. I wonder if the players thought the same thing, and didn’t expect them to come out so ferociously. No matter how bad Geelong were they always set themselves for Hawthorn and come out firing. It seems to me since 2016, Scott puts a lot of work into us.

As for us, we fought back, I found the umpiring from one particular umpire to be inconsistent, Hawkins dissent not paid, the one paid against Adz, the down field that should have been paid to Richards. I think sometimes our players play expecting a free kick, and when the umpire’s misses it they are caught out. They have to learn to just keep going. I also thought how intimidating the players were in particular Tuohy, which gave them a lot of leeway with the umpires. It got to our young players.

We are playing a lot of fill in players, who won’t stay in the team once Hunter, JJ, McLean, Bruce, get back in the team, but most teams have best 22 players missing.

My thoughts on this year have been documented in other threads and I still hold that the price we paid in the draft the last two years for Marra and Darcy has cost us being able to fill holes in our list, in particular defence and ruck. This stuff about Bevo not liking rucks is rubbish, he doesn’t like rucks who are one dimensional.

If we miss the 8 this year, we have draft currency to fix our holes, get players back who are important, start our preseason early and come out snarling looking for redemption. Unlike Geelong, the majority of our players are young and have their best footy ahead of them.

 

[Dogs Rule]

The saddest part of last night was how predictable it was. Same problems since 2017 and no signs of improvement. In actuality I think they've become worse.

You know what makes me so angry? I see someone like Libba, someone who tried his guts out last night (even in the first), I see the best years of Bont being frittered away, I see Naughton having the struggles, our (coaching driven) inept ruck set up, our game day tactics, our hare-brained selection, our 'bottom six' who are barely VFL level, our backline (with one or two exceptions) which s*** the bed against any side with a hack KPF let alone Hawkins and Cameron.

Urgh...I need a drink.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Me too, the way the opposition run out of our forward line anyway why not at least have the added strengths of a tall forward line with some marking options. They’re not all gonna be in the forward line at once anyway. Bukus not even a tall he should be a 4th forward, 3rd at a stretch. When the ball goes inside 50 Naughty takes the hitout and English and Buku/Schache drop back to the perimeter to cut off any quick hacks out of defence.

Schache should be a running flanker who gets up and down the middle of the ground all day presenting lead up options - and can pinch hit in the ruck. Naughty deepest and Buku hanging around down there too.

Then we just set up our defence a little bit further back, our last line of defence should no longer set up in front of their opponents - it’s too costly. Our last line of defence should be the deepest players on the field at any one time, the next line can zone and cover space in front - so we don’t let them over the top as easy when they’re coming out and focus more on turning the ball over at half back rather than half forward, with options in the forward half when we’re bringing it out of defence.

I’d love to just see us play some tempo footy, short kicks and repetitive leading and presenting from multiple options up the field, we don’t have to butcher everything trying to play at a million miles an hour every single minute of the game. Need to be able to learn when to go and when not to, but we’ve never quite figured that out.

We miss Hunter, who usually runs it up, and kicks into the fifty.