Autopsy Poor 1st qtr effort & matchups sees Dogs lose another one to them by 13 pts

[BIG_BONTS]

If we put Sweet, JUH, Cleary, Darcy and Bendendo in we wouldn't lose a game.

 

[Shacf501]

We miss Hunter, who usually runs it up, and kicks into the fifty.

No we don't, we were still losing with him in the side... his kicking is horrible

 

[Shacf501]

Pretty much has summed up how I have felt about this year also. It’s terrible that something I used to get so much enjoyment from is now just a weekly dose of depression and when we play on a Friday it’s even worse, because you have to deal with it for the whole weekend.

Other than beating the Swans, we haven’t won any games that were 50/50 games, we have lost lots of games we should have won and been uncompetitive for large chunks of games and generally played extremely dumb football.

Very hard team to watch at the moment

Im the same....I have played football my whole life at a decent level, I'm 46 years old and to be honest hate the way our side plays. I am bulldog through and through but our style of game play is horrible. When your club has more inside 50's most week and more possessions than the opposition and are still losing games something is drastically wrong.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

No we don't, we were still losing with him in the side... his kicking is horrible

Probably has the best football brain in the side. His onfield coaching has been remarked on and is being missed.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Yeah Scott was bad, and has been for a number of weeks now he has to go.

Surely we’re not losing much giving Bedendo a go at the role, considering the upside there too which Scott just doesn’t have. He’s as ready as Cleary who we were happy to give a go, even when we didn’t really have a need for the position

Scott was very good in both the last two wins. Almost impossible to have a bad game against Weat Coast (except Buku and Sweet manged to find a way) and against Gold Coast for instance, Scott has 13 of his 14 disposals be effective and he got 423 metres gained, while limiting the impact of the Suns's wingers, and even did some tagging of Touk Miller in that game which he did very well.

Scott was poor this week - not as bad as McNeil who only had 5 dispoals and zero impact on the game I hasten to add - but stuff like "for a number of weeks now" is just making stuff up. It's no basis in reality. We can go back to the autopsy thread after the Gold Coast win, Scott was either not mentioned at all or mentioned as having a good game. Almost a Trumpian view to truth. Not a single person mentioned Scott and a poor game in the Gold Coast autopsy thread. You can search it yourself. You'd think if he was poor in that game someone would have mentioned it.

 

[doggies ftw]

Scott was very good in both the last two wins. Almost impossible to have a bad game against Weat Coast (except Buku and Sweet manged to find a way) and against Gold Coast for instance, Scott has 13 of his 14 disposals be effective and he got 423 metres gained, while limiting the impact of the Suns's wingers, and even did some tagging of Touk Miller in that game which he did very well.

Scott was poor this week - not as bad as McNeil who only had 5 dispoals and zero impact on the game I hasten to add - but stuff like "for a number of weeks now" is just making stuff up. It's no basis in reality. We can go back to the autopsy thread after the Gold Coast win, Scott was either not mentioned at all or mentioned as having a good game. Almost a Trumpian view to truth. Not a single person mentioned Scott and a poor game in the Gold Coast autopsy thread. You can search it yourself. You'd think if he was poor in that game someone would have mentioned it.

It’s an opinion and subjective - unlike your incorrect call of Sweet rucking mostly against Chol, which was actually factually incorrect. He was average to okay against some shit teams, overall in my opinion he’s been pretty poor for a while - I don’t really need other people to back up my opinion, as it’s mine

 

[lachy]

Game was won and lost in the first quarter really from the first bounce.

Why Macrea started on the bench was ridiculous as was starting Gardy on Tomahawk and Keath on Cameron really poor match ups and coaching.

Some of our turnovers in the back half particularly Baily Dale were amertutish.

Bombing into the forward line allowing Mark after intercept mark and not hitting up a player leading or the fatside was like watching local footy at a low level.

We were just ok after that, controlled the game but could not score, missing surprise surprise easy goals.

We make the finals this year bit at the break it looks like 2 steps back

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[threenewpadlocks]

It’s an opinion and subjective - unlike your incorrect call of Sweet rucking mostly against Chol, which was actually factually incorrect. He was average to okay against some shit teams, overall in my opinion he’s been pretty poor for a while - I don’t really need other people to back up my opinion, as it’s mine

Strange that me quoting stats is "subjective", but moving on.

No, Scott's best footy of the year was in the three weeks immediately preceding this game.





And to use a different statistical method (AFL Player Rating Points, which actually has little to do with the above Ranking points, here are his games:

Essentially played three above-average games according to two different statistical measures - top 10 in our team in each of the three games by the latter measure, for example, twice having season-best games.

This is from a view of reality that Sweet played well (in the VFL or AFL, take your pick) and is critical to our overall success.

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to try to debunk it. I would hope that the Dogs fans reading this exchange would agree with me that Scott had not actually been in poor form before this game (and much to the contrary had actually been in good form), and that your opinion, as much as you're entitled to it, is misinformed and in part due to cognitive biases.

You're gonna come back with "oh it's just an opinion and the stats don't represent anything" - ok sure, I think they measure a lot but moving on - but to go back to my original point, it's not something people pointed out at the time. You yourself can go back through the autopsy threads of all three games, nobody went out of the way to say Scott played badly in any of them. I'm going to all this effort to try and get other Dogs fans see through some of the credibility problems I think you have when you're trying to make assessments or suggestions.

In any case, following your own statements don't even follow your own logic - if Scott was "average to okay", it doesn't reason with actually dropping him to pick a first-gamer who hasn't been outstanding in the VFL, for a team that's still trying to make finals. Adding more youth an inexperience to a team doesn't typically lead to short-term success.

 

[_Mike_]

Until this club and the coach pull their finger out and address the following

• team structure
• player selection
• recruiting

We’ll be in for more frustration

 

[Bulldog in Kiev]

Yep agree with that Mike, extremely frustrated we learnt nothinng from 2016 for the following season. Its meandering along and feels that some difficult decisions needs to be made to move some favourites along to get some fresh blood into the team on and off field. Feeling pretty stale all round tbh.

 

[lachy]

Until this club and the coach pull their finger out and address the following

• team structure
• player selection
• recruiting

We’ll be in for more frustration

Structure and selection are restricted by recruiting particularly the later more speculative picks over the last couple of years.

More concerning has been obvious poor match ups to start the game as well as ensuring the best possible extractors are at the first bounce each game

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[hutchy31]

Some pretty damning vision on the dogs centre bounces and defensive structure/effort on First Crack. Putting team selection aside, the guys out there should be way better than this in terms of structure and approach.

Although David King did say Naughton needs to go back?! Now I've entertained that discussion in the past (like others on here have), but when he's literally the only functional KPF we have right now that's a weird statement.

 

[maddog37]

We are soft. We respond poorly when teams are more physical than us. Until we sort that out and become more aggressive we will never get anywhere.

 

[BIG_BONTS]

We are soft. We respond poorly when teams are more physical than us. Until we sort that out and become more aggressive we will never get anywhere.

Agree completely. Is there a circuit breaker move here where we give away a free in the centre, are slow to get up with the ball pinned to allow the team to flood back?

 

[maddog37]

Agree completely. Is there a circuit breaker move here where we give away a free in the centre, are slow to get up with the ball pinned to allow the team to flood back?

2016. Matt Boyd. Dale Morris. Clay Smith. Liam Picken. Easton Wood. All hard as a cats head.

Who do we have now that plays that way? Duryea. Dunks.

 

[Doggy]

2016. Matt Boyd. Dale Morris. Clay Smith. Liam Picken. Easton Wood. All hard as a cats head.

Who do we have now that plays that way? Duryea. Dunks.

Libba, West, Smith?

 

[SPower]

Watching Freo run out ,
2 Ducking ruckman.

Surely an extra big ruckman could help Aaron up forward.


Even with Tim English rucking Sweet could at least compete to help our only key forward against the double and triple teaming.

 

[Dogsman16]

Some pretty damning vision on the dogs centre bounces and defensive structure/effort on First Crack. Putting team selection aside, the guys out there should be way better than this in terms of structure and approach.

Although David King did say Naughton needs to go back?! Now I've entertained that discussion in the past (like others on here have), but when he's literally the only functional KPF we have right now that's a weird statement.

King is a complete idiot. The bloke quite rightfully pointed out 1 million times this year it’s “Naughton or Naught” in terms of kicking goals.

Then he has the most knee jerk reaction off all time. Aaron didn’t play great (still got outnumbered all the time) and the answer is to put him back?

Complete lunancy. Clear as day that certain players shouldn’t be caught in front of their opponent and Aaron needs another big target. It’s a pretty simple fix really.

 

[Dogs Rule]

We are soft. We respond poorly when teams are more physical than us. Until we sort that out and become more aggressive we will never get anywhere.

Agreed. Year after year after year we always look among the physically weakest sides. 2016 we had some hard nuts which made up for it, but I reckon it's been consistent for the best part of the past 10-15 years.

 

[fred cook]

Agreed. Year after year after year we always look among the physically weakest sides. 2016 we had some hard nuts which made up for it, but I reckon it's been consistent for the best part of the past 10-15 years.

To be fair I thought B McCartney brought that hard aspect to our team, the problem was he didn't have much of an idea regarding game day plans and ideas

 

[Dogs Rule]

To be fair I thought B McCartney brought that hard aspect to our team, the problem was he didn't have much of an idea regarding game day plans and ideas

I'm mainly talking physical development. Some teams just have players that are jacked up within a few years. We have tended (some exceptions of course) to recruit weedy 18 year olds, turn them into slightly less weedy 22 year olds and by the time they hit 30 there still way behind most others their age and their career is over. So we need to work on boosting strength and conditioning because our current set up isn't working.

 

[Al dente]

Yep agree with that Mike, extremely frustrated we learnt nothinng from 2016 for the following season. Its meandering along and feels that some difficult decisions needs to be made to move some favourites along to get some fresh blood into the team on and off field. Feeling pretty stale all round tbh.

Stale is a good word to describe us.

When you look back at good seasons theres always pleasant surprises, emerging players, and great individual seasons.

last year it was Bont at his devastating best, lean and mean Bruce, and the emergence of Dale, Williams, and Weightman

Thus far all i can see is alot of guys stagnating or regressing, the addition of another role player type (McComb), some promising signs from a very raw Buku, Cleary and West, and the only true highlight, the emergence of Richards.

we really need someone to surprise us and break out in the back half on 2022

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

I'm mainly talking physical development. Some teams just have players that are jacked up within a few years. We have tended (some exceptions of course) to recruit weedy 18 year olds, turn them into slightly less weedy 22 year olds and by the time they hit 30 there still way behind most others their age and their career is over. So we need to work on boosting strength and conditioning because our current set up isn't working.

It’s the game style we play that limits our progress. it’s team defence and clever passing at the expense of learning to play tough man-on-man football.

It’s ok to guard grass or kick to space, but at some stage you need to beat an opponent.

We select players who are not good man-on-man, so when we play good teams like Melbourne or Richmond we look good in patches but when the game needs to be won fail miserably.

It’s the total opposite of our 2016 team. Bevo has taken us 180 degrees since then. He inherited McCartneys style and added his own. They complimented each other perfectly. Since then we lost the contested edge and have not been the same since. TBH unless he changes, I can’t see him taking us any further.

 

[doggies ftw]

It’s the game style we play that limits our progress. it’s team defence and clever passing at the expense of learning to play tough man-on-man football.

It’s ok to guard grass or kick to space, but at some stage you need to beat an opponent.

We select players who are not good man-on-man, so when we play good teams like Melbourne or Richmond we look good in patches but when the game needs to be won fail miserably.

It’s the total opposite of our 2016 team. Bevo has taken us 180 degrees since then. He inherited McCartneys style and added his own. They complimented each other perfectly. Since then we lost the contested edge and have not been the same since. TBH unless he changes, I can’t see him taking us any further.

Yeah very well put, 2016 we took the contested edge we had and we added a fast paced, handball happy layer of offence.

Now we seem happy just to corral and guard space rather than even attack the man. It’s probably a large part of the reason we give away fewer free kicks than anyone else in the league (our free kick differential is obviously large and dickheads on Facebook seem to think we’re “gifted frees” but reality is we’re not even top for free fors, we just give so few away) whereas you look at Richmond and they’re happy to give frees away if that means affecting the opposition, holding them up for a few seconds etc

 

[maddog37]

It’s the game style we play that limits our progress. it’s team defence and clever passing at the expense of learning to play tough man-on-man football.

It’s ok to guard grass or kick to space, but at some stage you need to beat an opponent.

We select players who are not good man-on-man, so when we play good teams like Melbourne or Richmond we look good in patches but when the game needs to be won fail miserably.

It’s the total opposite of our 2016 team. Bevo has taken us 180 degrees since then. He inherited McCartneys style and added his own. They complimented each other perfectly. Since then we lost the contested edge and have not been the same since. TBH unless he changes, I can’t see him taking us any further.

Nailed it. All sizzle and no steak.