Opinion Port Adelaide and their Prison Bars

[Pie eyed]

Port entered the AFL as the Power, not the Magpies. If you want to play in another league you can renegotiate the terms.

Personally I don't have an issue with them wearing the Prison bars in limited "milestone" games in SA when there is a direct link with the Port Adelaide Footy clubs history in SAFL.
Otherwise play in their AFL colours or join the SAFL
Anything which upsets Koch is ok with me.

 

[slugger01]

That magical contract thats never seen the light of day?

If there was nothing, whether a contract, agreement, understanding, or whatever, why does Power seek to get permission from the AFL, or from the black and white magpies?
Logically, there must be something precluding Power to do what they want??
What do you think that would be??

 

[slugger01]

Personally I don't have an issue with them wearing the Prison bars in limited "milestone" games in SA when there is a direct link with the Port Adelaide Footy clubs history in SAFL.
Otherwise play in their AFL colours or join the SAFL
Anything which upsets Koch is ok with me.

You really don’t see where this might end? Port power supporters, board members, anyone associated with PP will forever want to wear their picture of their jetty in every game they play. That is their mindset. Live in Adelaide and you will understand.
So, they will ask for one game, then only in showdowns, then only home games against everyone bar Collingwood, then finals if they don’t play Collingwood, then every home game, and when they play Collingwood, we should wear an away strip that doesn’t clash.
And then permanently, whether home or away.
That is their goal. And any Port supporter that denies this is a liar!! I lived in Adelaide, and I know many Port supporters, and have relatives that are Port supporters. Their jetty jumper is what they want. (The jumper was invented to show the picture of a jetty, referencing the fact that PA is a seaside suburb).
The “prison bars” name for their jumper was a form of derision that all other SA clubs piled on PA because of the social class of the suburb, (much like what other teams called names for Collingwood supporters).
PA took that as a form of pride, and they won a lot of GF’s, and really stuck it up to the rest of the toffy supporters of other clubs.

 

[JOELY]

They already have the prison bars on their official logo now so they're committed to shoehorning it in, over anything to do with the power, and eventually they'll get their way with the jumper thing. Teal will go closer and closer to disappearing and you wont hear the word power too often. A guy earlier said he loves to wear it for the showdown to show the crows what a real club with history is, but in my opinion the crows have a stronger history. They were in the comp earlier and i loved watching their games in the early 90s on a Saturday night. And the back to back premiership team was great. Port trying to backtrack on the identity they had entering the league strikes me a being desperate for historical relevance rather than having actual historical relevance. Their club is going awesome at the moment and they should take it as an opportunity to solidify their unique brand, not slide in behind the real black and white team.

 

[Adz2332]

If there was nothing, whether a contract, agreement, understanding, or whatever, why does Power seek to get permission from the AFL, or from the black and white magpies?
Logically, there must be something precluding Power to do what they want??
What do you think that would be??

because every team gets permission every year for there guernsey designs. If Collingwood all of a sudden changed there current Guernsey to blue instead of the black strips, they cant 'just do it'

 

[Adz2332]

Have we seen the contracts for the Crows, GWS, Freo, Weagles, or GCS? No! Why should we then have access to the Port contract? Just to satisfy a few sooks?

because Port deny it. Collingwood say they have one. And no one believes for a second if there genuinely was one it wouldnt have come to light by no due to all the back and forth over this.

 

[Horaceg]

I'm not sure why we get sucked into this conversation, there is a genuine reason that Port Power don't wear Black and white stripes and call themselves the Magpies.

 

[slugger01]

because every team gets permission every year for there guernsey designs. If Collingwood all of a sudden changed there current Guernsey to blue instead of the black strips, they cant 'just do it'

PP already has made more changes to it’s guernsey than the number of years it has been in the AFL competition.
It’s not that hard. But you know full well that the “jetty” jumper won’t be put up as a proposal because it will be flatly rejected..
Now tell me why you think that will be the case???

 

[slugger01]

because Port deny it. Collingwood say they have one. And no one believes for a second if there genuinely was one it wouldnt have come to light by no due to all the back and forth over this.

Which one of these jumpers over the years would you call a “traditional” jumper..

 

[Apples]

I have always been against Port wearing black and white stripes because it is "the thin edge of the wedge'. I know others mock this argument but its obviously true. As Slugger01 has already described, anybody who has been in Adelaide for games sees a large minority of Port fans wearing black and white striped jumpers, scarves and hats with the magpie logo. The fans, regardless of what Collingwood and the AFL says, have already shown their mindset.

Against Collingwood in Adelaide, we already see two groups of supporters wearing black and white stripes and calling themselves the Magpies. This is obviously a problem and clearly an issue from the position of Collingwood's trademark.

I think it is appropriate for Port to wear any jumper they choose in Heritage Round, but that should be where it rests. Port has no right to wear the stripes when it plays Adelaide in showdowns. The showdown situation is a key into where PA sees the issue. They want to wear black and white stripes in important games. Next they'll ask to wear the stripes in other important games such as finals. You don't have to look closely to see where this ends up.

Wearing the stripes once a year is ok, and Collingwood didn't oppose this. But it never ends there. Port has shown its true intent and its president and its new official club logo is clear evidence of the club's mindset and what it sees as its identity.

Step by step, the intent is obvious. The new logo with its black and white stripes was apparently given AFL approval. I think this demonstrates very clearly, where the club intends to go. Next it will add a little magpie logo somewhere and expect the AFL to turn a blind eye.

The AFL needs to come out and state a clear policy on the black and white stripes and nip this slow rebranding in the bud.

 

[Adz2332]

Which one of these jumpers over the years would you call a “traditional” jumper..

the black and white stripe one..... no different to every other club if you wanted to go through them

 

[slugger01]

the black and white stripe one..... no different to every other club if you wanted to go through them

Haha. Which black and white stripe one? The "suspender" jumpers of the 1920's ??.. Oh, and the 1940's... Umm, is that a Collingwood jumper for the first 6 years? And then, late 1940's what the hell were they??

I thought the 1890's selections were beauties..

"no different to every other club if you wanted to go through them.."
What?? Much different to other clubs. Collingwood had Black and White vertical stripes right from its very first match, the team has appeared in the black-and-white jumper and never changed.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Look. We wear black with white stripes. They wear white with black stripes. No clash at all.

Anyway they way they play right now we could benefit from them mistakenly passing to us at any given time.

What this thread is missing right is now is some good old fashioned WWII references from people arguing that they're being rational thinkers.

 

[PowerBaz]

Seems to be lots of common sense here. Was at the game against the Bombers and there were prison bars in the crowd everywhere you look. The ongoing 'Ed' factor only makes it a more driving force for the supporter base, the more it goes on it will just grow, this is very much a supporter driven item, it's not going away so hopefully some common sense will prevail.

 

[parano1a]

The ongoing 'Ed' factor only makes it a more driving force for the supporter base, the more it goes on it will just grow, this is very much a supporter driven item, it's not going away so hopefully some common sense will prevail.

I would say most Collingwood supporters have no issue with Port wearing the Prison Bars in Showdowns once/twice a year. Wearing them full time as the permanent home jumper is a different story and not palatable to the club or league.

 

[Anzacday]

How about we stop tagging oppo. supporters in here and have our own chat.
Presumably they've got their own views, (which I don't care about personally) and can air them freely on their own board.
Just a thought.

 

[slugger01]

You see, that is the ignorant belief that everyone is honest and trustworthy, and motives are beyond reproach.
Go and read some of the comments on the PP board regarding the issue...
Here is an example - quoted verbatim:


Under no circumstance should we sign an agreement to limit the use of the Guernsey in certain games. We should have the right to wear the strip where we feal it's appropriate.

I do understand the PAFC approach initially for the Showdowns as this can start to get the ball rolling. Once you're in with the concept then it's easier to expand from there onwards.


Hmmmm... To those that think it is ok for PP to wear the "jetty" guernsey, start looking for a Collingwood away clash jumper, maybe pink/magenta/fuschia.. something that is completely different to black and white. We may be forced to wear it in a GF against PP if they are the "home" team..

 

[jackcass]

because Port deny it. Collingwood say they have one. And no one believes for a second if there genuinely was one it wouldnt have come to light by no due to all the back and forth over this.

It’d be in Port’s original contract with the AFL, nothing to do with a contract between us and them.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yeah except that’s not the traditional kit their supporters know and love

Original kit.

 

[davywap]

because every team gets permission every year for there guernsey designs. If Collingwood all of a sudden changed there current Guernsey to blue instead of the black strips, they cant 'just do it'

Mate you're ****ing kidding yourself

 

[davywap]

Seems to be lots of common sense here. Was at the game against the Bombers and there were prison bars in the crowd everywhere you look. The ongoing 'Ed' factor only makes it a more driving force for the supporter base, the more it goes on it will just grow, this is very much a supporter driven item, it's not going away so hopefully some common sense will prevail.

Yes hopefully it will and the AFL tells Port Power to go and get ****ed

 

[Markfs]

make em an offer of giving them another game each year, on the condition that their president stands down and never stands for re-election again...

 

[slugger01]

make em an offer of giving them another game each year, on the condition that their president stands down and never stands for re-election again...

Why make them an offer? There is no reason to offer anything.

It is like me saying to you.. Give me $1m. Give me $1m.
No??
Ok, then, make me an offer..

 

[megadeth86]

It hasn’t become toxic at all. That is just the perspective of the fake news media. It’s important to deal in facts.

I’m not saying others haven’t done well, but I did query what you were referring to with your 150m statement. I note you didn’t respond, so I’m guessing you’re just making blind statements.

What I am saying is that no president has done better. From bankrupt to powerhouse. We have the best facilities in the best and most sporting city in the world. No handouts, no help just good organic growth. Nobody has done better that’s my statement, you have no statement unless you can back it up with facts.

Best sporting city in the world is Glasgow, Celtic draw 60,000 per home game and Rangers draw 50,000 in a city of 600,000 people (or a metropolitan area of about 1.8 million).

 

[magpies42]

Best sporting city in the world is Glasgow, Celtic draw 60,000 per home game and Rangers draw 50,000 in a city of 600,000 people (or a metropolitan area of about 1.8 million).

Those are impressive stats. But that doesn’t make it the best sporting city in the world. Melbourne holds a grand slam, has the Grand Prix, has hosted an olympics, also has two Soccer teams, two rugby teams. You name it, we’ve got it.

As impressive as those stats are, it’s a lot easier when invariably both teams are at the top of the table. Collingwood was averaging more than that in its premiership year. Our people come to watch the game, in Glasgow it’s men coming to cause fights.

the point of the post if I remember correctly was to highlight the quality of our facilities and the precinct as a whole. It’s unparalleled.