I don't think we have gone backwards much, to be honest we were damn lucky last year and sadly got found out in the GF , we were about a year ahead of what we should have been, this year we have simply underachieved
Port Adelaide - Have they regressed in 2008
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and the performance of justin westhoff has been almost symbolic of port
promised so much last year, been very disappointing this year
and i won;t even start on motlop, talk about soft
Methinks the tricolour dullards have realised that we are about to string a few wins together and they are fuelling their obsession of trying to harass their more successful rivals while this small window of opportunity exists.
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
One thing is for sure, whatever drop off in performance Port Adelaide have had, it's not because of the "soft" myth that gets everyone worked up.
Courtesy Mark Williams
"At the completion of round nine, Port Adelaide had the same number of hardball-gets as Adelaide, which was only seven fewer than Geelong, which is ranked seventh?
Port Adelaide and Adelaide are both ranked higher than the renowned North Melbourne and our only remaining undefeated team, Hawthorn, is ranked dead last in this category, so it seems that HBG don’t matter. Or do they?
Have a guess at which teams lead the league in uncontested possession.
Yes, you’re right Port Adelaide is up there; we’re ranked fifth highest, but wait for this; first, second and third place (in that order) go to Hawthorn, Geelong and Adelaide."
So Hawthorn is undefeated, bottom in hard ball gets, and top at uncontested possessions.
Anyone want to call them soft? Of course not.
Lies, lies and damned statistics.
Courtesy Mark Williams
"At the completion of round nine, Port Adelaide had the same number of hardball-gets as Adelaide, which was only seven fewer than Geelong, which is ranked seventh?
Port Adelaide and Adelaide are both ranked higher than the renowned North Melbourne and our only remaining undefeated team, Hawthorn, is ranked dead last in this category, so it seems that HBG don’t matter. Or do they?
Have a guess at which teams lead the league in uncontested possession.
Yes, you’re right Port Adelaide is up there; we’re ranked fifth highest, but wait for this; first, second and third place (in that order) go to Hawthorn, Geelong and Adelaide."
So Hawthorn is undefeated, bottom in hard ball gets, and top at uncontested possessions.
Anyone want to call them soft? Of course not.
Lies, lies and damned statistics.
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Actually, it depends what you are talking about. If you are talking about on-field success in terms of wins, then the answer would be yes...but also no, simply because you would be selling the efforts of other teams short by saying that it is all to do with our failure rather than their success. (I don't think you as a Crows fan would appreciate anyone saying the only reason you are top four at the moment is because Port have 'regressed')
Any backline that has to rely on Thurstans as its elder statesman (Peter is as much a defender as McLeod is) is always going to struggle. Not an excuse, just fact. But it is not always going to be that way. Guys like Carlile, Chaplin and Pettigrew have shown glimpses of becoming good defenders, and that only comes with experience. Every game they play, they are progressing - the antonym of regression.
So long story short - we've regressed in terms of position on the ladder, but progressed in terms of getting the foundations for a solid defense laid.
P.S I've always found it fascinating that people posting on an internet forum can't be bothered opening up a new window and making sure all their words are spelled correctly. Where is the fire when it comes to hitting the submit button? Am I missing something? Never mind
Any backline that has to rely on Thurstans as its elder statesman (Peter is as much a defender as McLeod is) is always going to struggle. Not an excuse, just fact. But it is not always going to be that way. Guys like Carlile, Chaplin and Pettigrew have shown glimpses of becoming good defenders, and that only comes with experience. Every game they play, they are progressing - the antonym of regression.
So long story short - we've regressed in terms of position on the ladder, but progressed in terms of getting the foundations for a solid defense laid.
P.S I've always found it fascinating that people posting on an internet forum can't be bothered opening up a new window and making sure all their words are spelled correctly. Where is the fire when it comes to hitting the submit button? Am I missing something? Never mind
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or maybe you just don't understand hard & soft?
Yeah i forgot about them, but i thought they were in super hot form back in 93... in fact i would say that they could've won the premiership from 6th spot back then.
12th, and loving it
12th & loving it = the only way is up, where as the AFC might drop down a few spots in the next few weeks... round 12-17 to be precise.
Had we played West Coast twice, plus Freo, Carlton, North Melbourne and Melbourne it may have been different, who knows.
Fact is you can only beat who you have to play and we haven't done that, so we are where we deserve to be.
then again had we had such an easy draw & were chalking up the wins we would be thinking that we're a lot better than we actually are.
Westhoff is working on all the team things - chasing, tackling 1%ers... so he's doing the right thing if you ask me. I'm more concerned that we have a few players who are what you call 'front runners' in that they look & play great when there's little to no pressure but as soon as the heat is in the kitchen they disappear. I'm sure a few other clubs have players in their teams like that as well.
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Well, considering they did finish 7th and missed out on the then-top 6 finals series, Port can still make them claim?
I actually agree with those who say Port "overachieved" last year. Let's face it... no one was going to compete with Geelong, who, despite a down 2006, had been building towards being a very good side. West Coast were decimated with injuries, Sydney and Adelaide were off the boil, Kangaroos were starting to climb again with solid campaigners and some young hard nuts, the Hawks weren't quite ready, Collingwood pushed the Cats but only finished 6th after the regular season...
Really, Port were the lucky suckers who managed to snag 2nd spot by percentage and found themselves with a 2 home final path to a grand final spot.
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Well, considering they did finish 7th and missed out on the then-top 6 finals series, Port can still make them claim?
I actually agree with those who say Port "overachieved" last year. Let's face it... no one was going to compete with Geelong, who, despite a down 2006, had been building towards being a very good side. West Coast were decimated with injuries, Sydney and Adelaide were off the boil, Kangaroos were starting to climb again with solid campaigners and some young hard nuts, the Hawks weren't quite ready, Collingwood pushed the Cats but only finished 6th after the regular season...
Really, Port were the lucky suckers who managed to snag 2nd spot by percentage and found themselves with a 2 home final path to a grand final spot.
what do you mean no one was going to compete?
have you forgotten the prelim? it could easily have been a collingwood premiership. but as always, the gods said no.
Methinks the tricolour dullards have realised that we are about to string a few wins together and they are fuelling their obsession of trying to harass their more successful rivals while this small window of opportunity exists.
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
Come on now Marcus, how many match winning leads did Port give up in these games. Forget the losing margins, what about the points turn around during the game!! Port lead by almost 40 points against Brisbane and Hawthorn and had a match winning lead against Sydney. Port were winning those games last year, but dont know how to this year.
Dont worry about how the Crows lost on the weekend. We beat you at your thuggery worst! And you were the most plastic runner ups ever to play a Grand Final!!
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Methinks the tricolour dullards have realised that we are about to string a few wins together and they are fuelling their obsession of trying to harass their more successful rivals while this small window of opportunity exists.
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
Please explain how Port Adelaide are more successful than the Crows. What exactly do you have against us that makes you more successful?
Seriously, you have nothing. Port are inferior to the Crows in every possible way. I'm not trolling here. I'm just stating the facts.
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Methinks the tricolour dullards have realised that we are about to string a few wins together and they are fuelling their obsession of trying to harass their more successful rivals while this small window of opportunity exists.
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
I'm sure you were thinking the same thing a couple of weeks ago before playing Hawks and Swans and it all came to nought. Freo this week won't be any easier and who knows what Carlton will do on any day.
Large leads have been given up this year so final margins can distort the issue. Remember, you won against Essendon, West Coast and St Kilda - hardly impressive.
Who is regressing? You do believe in upsets don't you? Last week for the Crows was one. We nearly beat the Bullies and only bad game (other than last week) was against the Hawks following the Showdown.
We are satisfied with current position but can always see room for improvement. Lets remember that at Round 22 last year, you had played Carlton, Melbourne and Richmond twice (the 3 bottom sides) therefore showing you better than you actually were.
Methinks the tricolour dullards have realised that we are about to string a few wins together and they are fuelling their obsession of trying to harass their more successful rivals while this small window of opportunity exists.
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
nice excuse Marcus.. 6-3 3-6. All that matters sunshine
Thanks for reinforcing that our 15 H&A wins and 2 finals wins (and 1 GF smashing
) were all that mattered last year, not whether Crows supporters thought we were lucky or overachieving!
I think Port are playing at what people expected of them last year. They had an amazing run, they played excellent footy at the right time of the year and deserved to play off in the GF. This year, things havent quite gone to plan, with injuries, lack of form, bad luck and the football gods being themselves.
Im a one eyed crows supporter but I think Port will make the finals still. Knowing them, they will give it one BIG shake too.
Im a one eyed crows supporter but I think Port will make the finals still. Knowing them, they will give it one BIG shake too.
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yes you are clearly superior
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davos44, I think you've got it about right.
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I will agree with all of the above.
We were extremely fortunate to get as far as we did last season playing above our ability and having plenty of luck.This year we are probably underperforming to our true ability without the luck.
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No offence to you mate but I do wish Port people would forget about continually bringing up the 365 SANFL premierships,Champions of Australia near on 100 years ago and bloody night premierships.AFL Premierships (1)
2004
AFL Grand Finalists (2)
2004, 2007
SANFL premierships (34)
1884, 1890, 1897, 1903, 1906, 1910, 1913, 1914, 1921, 1928, 1936, 1937, 1939, 1951, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996.
SANFL Stanley H. Lewis Memorial Trophy (11)
1962, 1963, 1964, 1970, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1988, 1989, 1992, 1994
Champions of Australia (4)
1890, 1910, 1913, 1914
AFL McClelland Trophy (3)
2002, 2003, 2004
AFL pre-season competition (2)
2001, 2002
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davos44, I think you've got it about right.
All that really counts is the 2004 AFL premiership and that doesn't really mean anything if we are shite this season.
While we are on this subjet .The McLennan trophy?What a wank that is.The trophy for doing stuff all.Winning it in 2002 and 03 and going no further in the finals should be something to be ashamed of not bragging about
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No offence to you mate but I do wish Port people would forget about continually bringing up the 365 SANFL premierships,Champions of Australia near on 100 years ago and bloody night premierships.
All that really counts is the 2004 AFL premiership and that doesn't really mean anything if we are shite this season.
While we are on this subjet .The McLennan trophy?What a wank that is.The trophy for doing stuff all.Winning it in 2002 and 03 and going no further in the finals should be something to be ashamed of not bragging about
Well said. At the end of the day Port did well to win the 2004 flag but the Crows have two flags (albeit achieved a bit longer ago) which puts us ahead. All the other stuff is irrelevant.
This year is the more natural rate for a team that has their mix of players. In 2006 Mark Williams said it will be five years till they are a serious threat at the flag, he was right.
Last year showed the difference winning close games makes. Port had 15 wins and finished 2nd. Adelaide had 12 wins and finished 8th. Port won three vital games by under 10 points. Crows lost 3 games by under 10 points. Show how close the league was last year. Port did everything right in the finals, plus Cousins Hammy went at the right time.
To sum up they had a good year and made the most of it in 2007. 2008 has shown the more natural progression of a team on a five year program of rebuilding, which began in earnest in 2006.
Last year showed the difference winning close games makes. Port had 15 wins and finished 2nd. Adelaide had 12 wins and finished 8th. Port won three vital games by under 10 points. Crows lost 3 games by under 10 points. Show how close the league was last year. Port did everything right in the finals, plus Cousins Hammy went at the right time.
To sum up they had a good year and made the most of it in 2007. 2008 has shown the more natural progression of a team on a five year program of rebuilding, which began in earnest in 2006.
Methinks the tricolour dullards have realised that we are about to string a few wins together and they are fuelling their obsession of trying to harass their more successful rivals while this small window of opportunity exists.
Make the most of it lads.
Would you like us to pretend to be upset
Five of our six losses this year give a total losing margin of 9 + 6 + 20 + 15 + 11 = 61 points.
The crows lost to a bottom 4 team by 50 points on the weekend.
So who is regressing?
You have lost to good teams no doubt. But the point is you haven't beaten any good teams and you have lost 4 of 5 games at home.
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