Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[WOFTAMWarrior]

I don't see the issue with the guernseys as they're not even remotely close to looking the same and if Port are that adament to wear them only during the Showdown they should sign a contract as such.

But what nobody does seem to mention in regards to this agreement signed by PAFC, AFL and Collingwood that they were to be only worn in Heritage Round matches were the comments made by Eddie on Foot Classified where he stated that he had inside information that there were to be no more heritage rounds and no other Club were aware of this information which is why the agreement was signed.

 

[Bearded Clam]

And yet they keep looking for loopholes, and reckon the Pies are unreasonable not to cave in to their demands. Power were allowed into the AFL after signing a binding agreement. Now they’re trying to subvert/bluster/intimidate the agreement and the Pies and AFL into letting them have their way.

Port keep saying “This is not going to go away”. So what? The answer was, and always will be a big fat NO! Take it to court Koch and see how you fare. You’re just going to have to satisfy yourselves with playing puerile dress ups in the change room. Hell will freeze over before you get your way. Port took advantage of our generosity. It will not be repeated.

As a side issue I wish Eddie would STFU about it. He’s just giving Kochhead and the Port ferals oxygen, and a “poor us“ victim platform.

Eddies a passionate supporter and you could never ever question his love for the Pies.. the bloke bleeds black and white.. I have no doubt that when he leaves this world he’ll do so with a pies black and white striped flag adorning his coffin..

But I can definately see how you could become frustrated as a Pies supporter with him!...

Its the same with Roo at the crows.. the bloke loves the crows, he’s been one of their greatest players but geez, a lot of us crows supporters wish 1) he’d just shut up and 2) quit his position as head of the footy department..

Sometimes the most passionate shouldnt really be the most involved in the day to day running of a club.. can let too much emotion get involved in the decision making...

 

[longdonkey]

At the end of the day..

Who cares who it is posting in here.. its a public forum and an open thread.. keep it clean and on subject and argue based on the facts surrounding the agreement that this issue is all based on.

The problem port supporters have is that their arguement is, and always was, so fragile that it was completely torn appart from the start... they tried in vain to add a few strawmen arguements in and argue from different angles for a while there but ultimately this has been proven to be completely irrelevant to the conversation..

So, as a last resort, they have just reverted to attacking the man.. anyone that presents the basic facts is now just refered to as a troll or shouldnt be allowed to comment here or should have the way they decide to their spare time in life questioned.

Now we have one making fun of mental health...

Real classy.

What everyone is presenting here is nothing more than hearsay - both sides, because nobody in the media is producing any proof either. All it is, is bluster from Kochy and Eddie.

But what is fact is taking away the Heritage Round is detrimental to non-Vic clubs because they get to celebrate their heritage on a continuous basis.

And the fact that they have replaced that round with more Vic-centric fundraising campaigns for their Vic managed charities and more blockbusters between Vic teams makes it even more difficult for non-Vic clubs financially.

 

[Pistol Night]

Eddies a passionate supporter and you could never ever question his love for the Pies.. the bloke bleeds black and white.. I have no doubt that when he leaves this world he’ll do so with a pies black and white striped flag adorning his coffin..

But I can definately see how you could become frustrated as a Pies supporter with him!...

Its the same with Roo at the crows.. the bloke loves the crows, he’s been one of their greatest players but geez, a lot of us crows supporters wish 1) he’d just shut up and 2) quit his position as head of the footy department..

Sometimes the most passionate shouldnt really be the most involved in the day to day running of a club.. can let too much emotion get involved in the decision making...

Perfectly said

 

[doppleganger]

The way I read the agreement, a Black and White Heritage Striped guernsey would be the 1951 strip. Anything else is the pylons and not stripes.

LoL

This is next level - it isn't stripes, or bars or lines or markings...they are pylons

Yes, everyone knows that Port have changed their jumper on multiple occasions.

You read the agreement as Port were requesting, and were given approval, to wear a jumper that they didn't actually wear in heritage rounds?

Because you don't think the heritage jumper actually contains "stripes".

 

[doppleganger]

But what is fact is taking away the Heritage Round is detrimental to non-Vic clubs because they get to celebrate their heritage on a continuous basis.

This is nonsense.

What heritage are the Giants, Suns meant to celebrate?

Even clubs like Eagles, Freo and Adelaide just come up with random nods to old stuff that really has no connection to the club....like Crows and Eagles wanting to play in old state jumpers.

The league was entering into an expansion phase, it made no sense to continue with a heritage themed round when they are expanding with clubs that don't really have any heritage.

 

[longdonkey]

This is nonsense.

What heritage are the Giants, Suns meant to celebrate?

Even clubs like Eagles, Freo and Adelaide just come up with random nods to old stuff that really has no connection to the club....like Crows and Eagles wanting to play in old state jumpers.

The league was entering into an expansion phase, it made no sense to continue with a heritage themed round when they are expanding with clubs that don't really have any heritage.

You would need to ask them that. And that is the issue Victorians dismiss any football heritage that is not Victorian. Its like nobody played football in SA until 1991.

 

[sherb]

At the end of the day..

Who cares who it is posting in here.. its a public forum and an open thread.. keep it clean and on subject and argue based on the facts surrounding the agreement that this issue is all based on.

The problem port supporters have is that their arguement is, and always was, so fragile that it was completely torn appart from the start... they tried in vain to add a few strawmen arguements in and argue from different angles for a while there but ultimately this has been proven to be completely irrelevant to the conversation..

So, as a last resort, they have just reverted to attacking the man.. anyone that presents the basic facts is now just refered to as a troll or shouldnt be allowed to comment here or should have the way they decide to their spare time in life questioned.

Now we have one making fun of mental health...

Real classy.

Careful who you point the finger at.

That's been the shtick of a certain Essendon supporter - who is on your side of the argument - for pretty much the entire thread.

 

[mcgarnacle]

In hindsight, the SANFL were protecting their empire. They wanted a stake on the national stage hence the birth of the Crows.

But geez, imagine if the other club was also admitted into the AFL? Imagine the Port Adelaide vs Norwood rivalry in a national competition? It would probably be bigger than anything else the Vics could muster now.

What would be the Red Legs uniform in AFL? Hypothetical I know, but there may have been two SA clubs seeking to wear their heritage strip down the road, and Melbourne would be embroiled in all of it too. Song is the same as the Demons too.

 

[longdonkey]

In hindsight, the SANFL were protecting their empire. They wanted a stake on the national stage hence the birth of the Crows.

But geez, imagine if the other club was also admitted into the AFL? Imagine the Port Adelaide vs Norwood rivalry in a national competition? It would probably be bigger than anything else the Vics could muster now.

What would be the Red Legs uniform in AFL? Hypothetical I know, but there may have been two SA clubs seeking to wear their heritage strip down the road, and Melbourne would be embroiled in all of it too. Song is the same as the Demons too.

Not sure that would have worked because there would be a lot of non-Port supporters who couldn't support Norwood either.

They would end supporting a Vic club. But they were able to unite as Crows supporters.

 

[jle101]

In hindsight, the SANFL were protecting their empire. They wanted a stake on the national stage hence the birth of the Crows.

But geez, imagine if the other club was also admitted into the AFL? Imagine the Port Adelaide vs Norwood rivalry in a national competition? It would probably be bigger than anything else the Vics could muster now.

What would be the Red Legs uniform in AFL? Hypothetical I know, but there may have been two SA clubs seeking to wear their heritage strip down the road, and Melbourne would be embroiled in all of it too. Song is the same as the Demons too.

Had the joint Sturt-Norwood bid of the mid-90s gained enough traction I could imagine them entering the AFL with a sky blue, navy blue & red scheme which would have looked spectacular. Possibly a sky blue backdrop with a red collar, cuffs & socks with a navy blue monogram on the front & navy shorts.

 

[The Burger King]

In hindsight, the SANFL were protecting their empire. They wanted a stake on the national stage hence the birth of the Crows.

But geez, imagine if the other club was also admitted into the AFL? Imagine the Port Adelaide vs Norwood rivalry in a national competition? It would probably be bigger than anything else the Vics could muster now.

What would be the Red Legs uniform in AFL? Hypothetical I know, but there may have been two SA clubs seeking to wear their heritage strip down the road, and Melbourne would be embroiled in all of it too. Song is the same as the Demons too.

Norwood had an old song they could have potentially used called "Men of Norwood".

Port Adelaide has an old song too called "Pride of Port Adelaide" but that was probably deemed too close to Adelaide by the time 1997 came around.

 

[doppleganger]

You would need to ask them that. And that is the issue Victorians dismiss any football heritage that is not Victorian. Its like nobody played football in SA until 1991.

So you woukd be happy with the Crows playing in the 'Bars, whoops I mean "pylons" as a nod to the rich contribution that the Port Magpies gave to SA football heritage that came before the Adelaide Crows?

 

[philthy05]

So you woukd be happy with the Crows playing in the 'Bars, whoops I mean "pylons" as a nod to the rich contribution that the Port Magpies gave to SA football heritage that came before the Adelaide Crows?

Where the **** did he say that

 

[longdonkey]

So you woukd be happy with the Crows playing in the 'Bars, whoops I mean "pylons" as a nod to the rich contribution that the Port Magpies gave to SA football heritage that came before the Adelaide Crows?

I think you'll find that they would not like to do that. But the issue is that you need to ask them what they would like to do.
There was an Adelaide Football Club in the SANFL in the late 1800's.
I'm not 100% comfortable about them wearing the state jumper though but the longer there is no state football the more likely seeing the Crows in that jumper becomes. I know they would want to do that just to troll us with it.

 

[Ray Nolan]

LoL

This is next level - it isn't stripes, or bars or lines or markings...they are pylons

Yes, everyone knows that Port have changed their jumper on multiple occasions.

You read the agreement as Port were requesting, and were given approval, to wear a jumper that they didn't actually wear in heritage rounds?

Because you don't think the heritage jumper actually contains "stripes".

They are actually wharf pylons. That is what the design was based on. "Prison Bars" was used, mainly by Norwood supporters, as a dig at the alleged propensity for residents of Port Adelaide and the Le Fevre Peninsula to find themselves detained at Her Majesty's pleasure. We took the term on as a badge of honour and it has stuck. The correct nomenclature for the guernsey is the wharf pylon guernsey. I choose to read the agreement in that manner because the only guernsey that Collingwood could possibly have any legitimate gripe over us wearing is the 1951 Premiership guernsey. Especially given as your club sent it to us as a gift to wear for that season. The traditional Port Adelaide guernsey is black with white pylons - not stripes.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Sigh...

Ok. I’ll respond, and hope you will engage in good faith.

Gimme a day or so. Other priorities.

Waiting very patiently

 

[doppleganger]

I think you'll find that they would not like to do that. But the issue is that you need to ask them what they would like to do.
There was an Adelaide Football Club in the SANFL in the late 1800's.
I'm not 100% comfortable about them wearing the state jumper though but the longer there is no state football the more likely seeing the Crows in that jumper becomes. I know they would want to do that just to troll us with it.

Adelaide already showed their intentions previously when they wanted to play in a SA state jumper....which was howled down by most of SA.

Which again is the point, as technically the Crows had no heritage of their own before 1991...do they just play in old SANFL jumpers if the State jumpers are a no go zone?

What is the most famous SANFL jumper? Surely the Crows should wear that if they are acknowledging heritage of football in SA.

 

[Pistol Night]

Adelaide already showed their intentions previously when they wanted to play in a SA state jumper....which was howled down by most of SA.

Which again is the point, as technically the Crows had no heritage of their own before 1991...do they just play in old SANFL jumpers if the State jumpers are a no go zone?

What is the most famous SANFL jumper? Surely the Crows should wear that if they are acknowledging heritage of football in SA.

Ports prison bars?

 

[doppleganger]

Ports prison bars?

Nope, the Port Magpies wharf pylons jumper.

 

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[Enviable Tradition]

So you woukd be happy with the Crows playing in the 'Bars, whoops I mean "pylons" as a nod to the rich contribution that the Port Magpies gave to SA football heritage that came before the Adelaide Crows?

I'd let them just to watch the contortions going on in the crowd from conflicted old Crowies.

Id also let them wear the SA state of origin jumper just to watch the internal fractions it would create in their ranks as old state players and SANFL die hards who otherwise would be Crows fans turn on the club (up to and including their very own Mark Ricciutto).


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[Bearded Clam]

Adelaide already showed their intentions previously when they wanted to play in a SA state jumper....which was howled down by most of SA.

Which again is the point, as technically the Crows had no heritage of their own before 1991...do they just play in old SANFL jumpers if the State jumpers are a no go zone?

What is the most famous SANFL jumper? Surely the Crows should wear that if they are acknowledging heritage of football in SA.

There was actually a club called the “adelaide football club” that formed in 1860.. ten years prior to the port magpies... now referred to the “old adelaide football club”..

Of course the current adelaide football club has no heritage of its own since 1991.. it didnt exist before then. Maybe they should just claim it and run with.. put “1860” on the back collar of their current guernsey and get all cranky and insecure about it when everyone doesnt recognise it and get up and applaud them for their “heritage”!

As have port power, the eagles, freo, suns etc that didnt have teams in the VFL/AFL...

Why the hell, as one of these teams, would you be classed as having a heritage in the VFL/AFL before your team even started playing in the VFL/AFL..

Maybe in 100 years from now the AFL can revisit a heritage round when there is something for all clubs to celebrate.

So theres little point having an “AFL heritage round”...

And adelaides short lived idea to play in the state of origin guernsey was just dumb.

But, again, all of this means nothing to this conversation..

 

[mcgarnacle]

They are actually wharf pylons. That is what the design was based on. "Prison Bars" was used, mainly by Norwood supporters, as a dig at the alleged propensity for residents of Port Adelaide and the Le Fevre Peninsula to find themselves detained at Her Majesty's pleasure. We took the term on as a badge of honour and it has stuck. The correct nomenclature for the guernsey is the wharf pylon guernsey. I choose to read the agreement in that manner because the only guernsey that Collingwood could possibly have any legitimate gripe over us wearing is the 1951 Premiership guernsey. Especially given as your club sent it to us as a gift to wear for that season. The traditional Port Adelaide guernsey is black with white pylons - not stripes.

C'mon man! Yes, pylons were the inspiration, but on a garment they're freakin' stripes. A different style of stripes to Collingwood, but black & white stripes nonetheless. It's interesting watching the contortions from both sides here to make their points.

Re Eddie, what a shrewd operator he is. Dislike him all you like, but a smart bloke. Would this even be an issue if Collingwood didn't change their singlet to predominantly black in 2001? Obviously a move to prevent Port from making a claim before they got their act together, i.e., taking back the club from the SANFL.

 

[Alyx]

...and get all cranky and insecure about it when everyone doesnt recognise it and get up and applaud them for their “heritage”!

The AFL recognises 1870 as the founding year of the Port Adelaide Football Club. The only people who don't are pea-brained, Twitter-grade dribblers.

Are you now claiming to know better than the AFL?