Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Duckimus Prime]

Port adelaide magpies football team was, by all accounts, formed in 1870 and has played in the sanfl league to this day.

Port adelaide’s AFL side was formed in the 1990’s as a seperate entity and first played in the AFL in 1997..

Not sure how these most basic of facts could be disputed..

Well for starters they're all actually factually incorrect statements.

The Port Adelaide Football Club was formed in 1870. They weren't even referred to as the Magpies until 1902. So you're way off track for point one.

The 120+ year old Football Club was granted the rights to enter a team in the AFL 1990s. In 1997 that club stopped entering its team in the SANFL. This isn't even a new thing for the V/AFL. Just the first time it was done with a non-Melbourne based clubs. The modern Hawthorn Football Club was founded in 1902, they competed in the Metropolitan Junior Football Association. This club joined the VFA in 1914, where they competed until 1925 when they joined the VFL.

Despite competing in three different competitions, this is still the same Club that competes today in the AFL. And they still have all that history from prior to joining the VFL.

The same applies for Footscray and North Melbourne. Good luck telling Hawthorn, Footscray and North Melbourne fans that their clubs were established in 1925.

And the rest of what follows is the nonsensical, jealous ramblings of complete and utter muppet.

If anyone here has any drop of evidence of the current port adelaide side playing on a regular basis, prior to 1997, in the VFL/AFL they might want to present it..

As far as history shows the sanfl and the vfl/afl are two completely seperate leagues and trying to somehow claim that that your history in one league can laughably be transfered directly into another is hysterical nonsense..

You’d have to be a complete and utter muppet to think it could.

And, at the same time.. here we are yet again having this conversation side tracks and dragged off topic by power supporters that want to muddy the waters..

 

[Ice-Wolf]

The same applies for Footscray and North Melbourne.

Yeah there is an argument about that one - not that they aren't the same club that entered the VFL in 1925 but that they aren't as old as they claim.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

Well for starters they're all actually factually incorrect statements.

The Port Adelaide Football Club was formed in 1870. They weren't even referred to as the Magpies until 1902. So you're way off track for point one.

The 120+ year old Football Club was granted the rights to enter a team in the AFL 1990s. In 1997 that club stopped entering its team in the SANFL. This isn't even a new thing for the V/AFL. Just the first time it was done with a non-Melbourne based clubs. The modern Hawthorn Football Club was founded in 1902, they competed in the Metropolitan Junior Football Association. This club joined the VFA in 1914, where they competed until 1925 when they joined the VFL.

Despite competing in three different competitions, this is still the same Club that competes today in the AFL. And they still have all that history from prior to joining the VFL.

The same applies for Footscray and North Melbourne. Good luck telling Hawthorn, Footscray and North Melbourne fans that their clubs were established in 1925.

And the rest of what follows is the nonsensical, jealous ramblings of complete and utter muppet.

Another explanation of the difference between a team and a club. Amazing that some still can't tell the difference.
Its like saying the Brisbane club that won the AFLW flag is not the same club that is in the AFL, because they're in a different competition.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Another explanation of the difference between a team and a club. Amazing that some still can't tell the difference.
Its like saying the Brisbane club that won the AFLW flag is not the same club that is in the AFL, because they're in a different competition.

Same club they just aren't Fitzroy they're the entity that was known as the Brisbane Bears. Where as as the Sydney Swans are the original South Melbourne FC (can't believe the AFL let the South Melbourne Hellas steal the name), much like the Port Adelaide FC that has competed in the AFL since '97 is the same entity as the Port Adelaide FC Est 1870

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Yeah there is an argument about that one - not that they aren't the same club that entered the VFL in 1925 but that they aren't as old as they claim.

Same actually applies with Hawthorn as well. There are some Hawthorn Football Clubs that were created prior to 1902 and were disolved.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Same actually applies with Hawthorn as well. There are some Hawthorn Football Clubs that were created prior to 1902 and were disolved.

Unlike Hotham/North Melbourne, Hawthorn only claim to be the one created in 1902 though, just like Collingwood don't claim to be Britannia and St Kilda don't claim to be South Yarra or the original St Kilda.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Another explanation of the difference between a team and a club. Amazing that some still can't tell the difference.
Its like saying the Brisbane club that won the AFLW flag is not the same club that is in the AFL, because they're in a different competition.

So... would you count the AFLW flag as an AFL mens flag?..

Actually.. scratch that.. once again we are drifting miles off topic.

This thread is about port agreeing not to wear the PB’s guernsey from day one in the AFL in 97... and how they are now desperately trying to backpedal on that agreement.

Its pointless continuing to discuss all these side issues. It just goes round and round in circles.

 

[El_Scorcho]

This thread is about port agreeing not to wear the PB’s guernsey from day one in the AFL in 97... and how they are now desperately trying to backpedal on that agreement.

The Crows joined the AFL 30 years ago under wildly different conditions to what they entered today.

The AFL change the conditions of the league every year, sometimes very significantly, and quite often after lobbying by clubs.

Why is this any different?

Expect us to continue to lobby until we get what we want.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

So... would you count the AFLW flag as an AFL mens flag?..

Actually.. scratch that.. once again we are drifting miles off topic.

This thread is about port agreeing not to wear the PB’s guernsey from day one in the AFL in 97... and how they are now desperately trying to backpedal on that agreement.

Its pointless continuing to discuss all these side issues. It just goes round and round in circles.

Actually, it's central to the point - people claiming that the Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL have no relevance to the Port Adelaide Power AFL....

Just like the Brisbane AFLW / ALF teams, no one is claiming the 2 teams played / are playing in the same competition, but they played / are playing for the same club. And together the two teams form the history of the club.

And again, if you feel that there's a problem in questioning past agreements, COLA should still be paid to Sydney and GWS, Adelaide should still be called the Camry Crows, and we should all still be playing prelim finals at the MCG.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

2006 was the final year of the Camry Crows.
They then became the Adelaide Crows. Therefore the Adelaide Crows est 2007 have no Premierships.

 

[Alex09]

They were quite separate entities between 1997 and 2010 because those in charge at the time wanted them to be separate. It was terrible and drove some life long magpies supporters like me away. It's all a moot point now though regardless of what you think of the structure of magpies and power originally since they merged operations in 2010. Due to the merger then there is no legitimate rationale for why the Port AFL team should not be able to lay claim to the prison bars. It doesn't matter now whether you think the Power or the Magpies are the "original Port est 1870" or who actually is..they are merged into one club now end of story.

 

[Masotiger]

They were quite separate entities between 1997 and 2010 because those in charge at the time wanted them to be separate. It was terrible and drove some life long magpies supporters like me away. It's all a moot point now though regardless of what you think of the structure of magpies and power originally since they merged operations in 2010. Due to the merger then there is no legitimate rationale for why the Port AFL team should not be able to lay claim to the prison bars. It doesn't matter now whether you think the Power or the Magpies are the "original Port est 1870" or who actually is..they are merged into one club now end of story.

Do you really think they would've been given the go ahead to join the AFL as the PA Magpies back in 1997?? No chance. PA should respect the agreements made to join the biggest and best competition and STFU.

 

[BronCrow]

Same club they just aren't Fitzroy they're the entity that was known as the Brisbane Bears. Where as as the Sydney Swans are the original South Melbourne FC (can't believe the AFL let the South Melbourne Hellas steal the name), much like the Port Adelaide FC that has competed in the AFL since '97 is the same entity as the Port Adelaide FC Est 1870

Have you bothered to look up the history of South Melbourne Hellas?

I would suggest you do before rubbishing their club in your post.

 

[Alex09]

Do you really think they would've been given the go ahead to join the AFL as the PA Magpies back in 1997?? No chance. PA should respect the agreements made to join the biggest and best competition and STFU.

They should have been given the go ahead.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

In the name of fairness, the team that finishes higher on the ladder gets the vertical/ prison bar jumper the following season.
So if Port finish higher and wear the prison bars, the Pies need a new jumper that doesn't clash with Port.
It's an unfair situation that is discriminatory against our South Australian friends.

 

[Masotiger]

They should have been given the go ahead.

So they can abandon their inferior league in pursuit of the nations biggest and best league, which has since it's inception a team called the Magpies, and Collingwood and the rest of the AFL say "yeah, no worries - we'll change for you". F Off!!

If they want to wear the shit PB's then terminate your licence with the AFL, go back to the SANFL and do whatever the F you like.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

Do you really think they would've been given the go ahead to join the AFL as the PA Magpies back in 1997?? No chance. PA should respect the agreements made to join the biggest and best competition and STFU.

So they can abandon their inferior league in pursuit of the nations biggest and best league, which has since it's inception a team called the Magpies, and Collingwood and the rest of the AFL say "yeah, no worries - we'll change for you". F Off!!

If they want to wear the sh*t PB's then terminate your licence with the AFL, go back to the SANFL and do whatever the F you like.

So one thing is for sure - you definitely AREN'T Kevin Sheedy.

Sheeds on the Prison Bars

 

[parano1a]

Expect us to continue to lobby until we get what we want.

Like a 4 year old in the supermarket begging their parents for a chocolate bar...

 

[Alex09]

So they can abandon their inferior league in pursuit of the nations biggest and best league, which has since it's inception a team called the Magpies, and Collingwood and the rest of the AFL say "yeah, no worries - we'll change for you". F Off!!

If they want to wear the sh*t PB's then terminate your licence with the AFL, go back to the SANFL and do whatever the F you like.

Victorian teams are allowed to share the same colours (Geelong and Carlton for example). All Port would be requesting is a playing field level with the existing teams. Giving up the magpies name is all that should have been required if anything.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Have you bothered to look up the history of South Melbourne Hellas?

I would suggest you do before rubbishing their club in your post.

How was I rubbishing them? Did they co-opt the South Melbourne Football Club name or not? BTW I did look them up, they are the result of a merger of 3 soccer clubs none of which was named South Melbourne Football Club (because the name was already taken), if they wanted to downplay their Greek roots to appeal to other fans they could have resurrected the South Melbourne United name from one of the original clubs.

 

[parano1a]

Victorian teams are allowed to share the same colours (Geelong and Carlton for example).

This doesn't matter as the jumpers are a vastly different design, and both are foundation clubs from 1897.
If Geelong wanted to change their jumper design to be all navy blue with a white GFC monogram, this would not be permitted as it would be too close to Carlton.

No other two clubs share the exact same colours.

 

[Masotiger]

Victorian teams are allowed to share the same colours (Geelong and Carlton for example). All Port would be requesting is a playing field level with the existing teams. Giving up the magpies name is all that should have been required if anything.

Thin edge of the wedge.

 

[Masotiger]

So one thing is for sure - you definitely AREN'T Kevin Sheedy.

Thank God for that!! I've still got one or two brain cells left.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

This doesn't matter as the jumpers are a vastly different design, and both are foundation clubs from 1897.
If Geelong wanted to change their jumper design to be all navy blue with a white GFC monogram, this would not be permitted as it would be too close to Carlton.

No other two clubs share the exact same colours.

You are correct using the word exact, the Brisbane Maroon/Gold/Blue is vastly different to the Crows Red/Gold/Navy Blue which is vastly different to the Suns Red/Gold/Blue.

 

[Engimal v3]

Victorian teams are allowed to share the same colours (Geelong and Carlton for example). All Port would be requesting is a playing field level with the existing teams. Giving up the magpies name is all that should have been required if anything.

Existing clubs share colours, but none have an exact match. Carlton's colour is navy blue, and Geelong's colours are navy blue and white. Similarly, North Melbourne are blue and white, while Western Bulldogs are red, white and blue.

While white features on Carlton's infamous monogram, their only club colour is navy blue.