Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Carringbush2010]

I’m aware but I was making reference to the fact that the original poster said we have our assigned colours, we must use them. I don’t think it says anywhere that we must use all our assigned colours on every guernsey. If we wanted to wear a white guernsey with a black sash, I don’t believe we could be stopped.

I get not really the point of the argument but more a nitpick in the original posters point.

Can you provide evidence of this eternal contractual agreement? They've had many contracts over the years, allowing them to wear the uniform, so your statement seems false. Also, I'm confused as to why Collingwood fans even care, since they're not even going to wear it against them, nor is it the same design. Must be some silly tribal thing.

Did they? If that’s the case, why have they worn it on multiple occasions in the AFL already?

Probably a breach of contract.

Like it or not there is an agreement in place, now I know a lot of you don't like it and call it 'tribal' (like there's something wrong about being tribal about ones club).

It's not up to any of us to make a call on it, I googled this and immediately pages came up:

port adelaide contract not to wear prison bars - Google Search

www.google.com

We can argue this infinitum and it won't change a thing. The contract may be broken years or decades down the track and that'd be a shame.

The Black & White stripes belong to one club and one club only in this league, that club has been in this league before Port Adelaide were given a competition licence. Port Adelaide relinquished their prison bar stripes to play in this league. That is the agreement, like it lump it.

I've made my case as have many others, so you can all continue to question me and others in perpetual futility. I'm past replying now as you all know the situation.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Sure of course you can use black and white, no one is saying you can't?
Just add some nice teal to it, and you're good

I wonder which one out of Carlton and Geelong should add a new colour, since apparently 2 clubs can't wear the same colours...

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Like it or not there is an agreement in place, now I know a lot of you don't like it and call it 'tribal' (like there's something wrong about being tribal about ones club).

It's not up to any of us to make a call on it, I googled this and immediately pages came up:

port adelaide contract not to wear prison bars - Google Search

www.google.com

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We can argue this infinitum and it won't change a thing. The contract may be broken years or decades down the track and that'd be a shame.

The Black & White stripes belong to one club and one club only in this league, that club has been in this league before Port Adelaide were given a competition licence. Port Adelaide relinquished their prison bar stripes to play in this league. That is the agreement, like it lump it.

I've made my case as have many others, so you can all continue to question me and others in perpetual futility. I'm past replying now as you all know the situation.

That's not this external pre-AFL agreement you are talking, though. The 2 clubs signed a contract in 2007, allowing Port to wear the uniform in Heritage Rounds. And then they made more agreements over the years to wear the prison bar uniform in some one off matches. Also, where is this supposed pre-AFL contract that eternally bars Port from wearing the prison bars and those colours? You didn't provide any specific documentation or any article that details said specific contract, other than a out of context blurb.

 

[Progressive Aggresion]

I'm only in my early 20s so obviously my personal connection to Port's heritage isn't as complex as most of our older supporters. Not that I don't understand any of it as I'd like to think that I've learned a lot through older family members, books, documentaries & other sources. Obviously though, most of my knowledge from personal witness has only come in the AFL era, so I guess that's a grain of salt to take with my personal opinion.

I'd personally be fine with the club incorporating teal into the prison bar design to hopefully avoid the present issue of Eddie's fat ego. Yeah is sucks, I understand the annoyance amongst supporters with the idea of a historically inaccurate representation of the design, and Eddie it an absolute man baby for taking the issue to a completely needless extent of tedium.

At the same time though, I don't take any offense to embracing teal in the design, as teal is likely always going to be part of our AFL colour scheme one way or another at the end of the day. If anything I find it to be more symbolically intriguing. A mixture of past and future. An ode to our greatest heroes of old as well as a light to take into the ever changing future. I'm obviously in a minority for this opinion though.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I'm only in my early 20s so obviously my personal connection to Port's heritage isn't as complex as most of our older supporters. Not that I don't understand any of it as I'd like to think that I've learned a lot through older family members, books, documentaries & other sources. Obviously though, most of my knowledge from personal witness has only come in the AFL era, so I guess that's a grain of salt to take with my personal opinion.

I'd personally be fine with the club incorporating teal into the prison bar design to hopefully avoid the present issue of Eddie's fat ego. Yeah is sucks, I understand the annoyance amongst supporters with the idea of a historically inaccurate representation of the design, and Eddie it an absolute man baby for taking the issue to a completely needless extent of tedium.

At the same time though, I don't take any offense to embracing teal in the design, as teal is likely always going to be part of our AFL colour scheme one way or another at the end of the day. If anything I find it to be more symbolically intriguing. A mixture of past and future. An ode to our greatest heroes of old as well as a light to take into the ever changing future. I'm obviously in a minority for this opinion though.

Just have one 5ml wide teal bar in the middle. That solves it totally and no one can say a word about it.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Amazing it's okay for West Coast and Richmond to share the exact same uniform designs, but differing designs with the same colours is taboo.

 

[Bald]

Amazing it's okay for West Coast and Richmond to share the exact same uniform designs, but differing designs with the same colours is taboo. View attachment 1378303View attachment 1378304

Aren't those two different leagues/competitions? Has West Coast ever worn that guernsey in a home and away or finals game?

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Aren't those two different leagues/competitions? Has West Coast ever worn that guernsey in a home and away or finals game?

No, it's the same competition and league. Round 14, 2007, West Coast wore it.

 

[Bald]

No, it's the same competition and league. Round 14, 2007, West Coast wore it.

Ah that was a heritage round. I believe in events of heritage rounds Port are able to wear the guernsey.

 

[doppleganger]

I’ve never understood what Collingwoods issue is to be honest apart from being the same colour the prison bar jumper is nothing like Collingwoods as long as they don’t wear it when there playing each other who cares talk about control freaks

It is pretty simple.

Collingwood is the only team in the AFL who wear black and white stripes.

Would be no different if Glenelg was the SANFL club who were joining the AFL, they wouldnt be allowed to join as the Tigers and their black and yellow kit.

Port knew this when joining, they left the magpies and Black n White behind in the SANFL.

Amazing it's okay for West Coast and Richmond to share the exact same uniform designs, but differing designs with the same colours is taboo. View attachment 1378303View attachment 1378304

That is a jumper from the "heritage" rounds. Because West Coast have no heritage they played in the WA kit.

The WA State jumper has nothing to do with the AFL competition.

 

[doppleganger]

Ah that was a heritage round. I believe in events of heritage rounds Port are able to wear the guernsey.

Yep, that was the agreement.

Port played in magenta strip, blue and white stripe strip and the prison bars as all are heritage jumpers that the club had previously worn...so perfect fit for the heritage gimmick.

Outside of heritage rounds, old SANFL kits have no place as an AFL jumper, same as State of Origin jumpers.

They play in the "bars" in the SANFL every week, if a Port fan wants to watch Port play Norwood at Alberton they can enjoy the "bars"...and cheer cheer the black and the white, they can.

If they want to watch Port play Essendon at Adelaide Oval, part of joining the AFL was leaving the magpies, "bars" and black n whitw behind and embracing the Power from Port.

 

[oak79]

It is pretty simple.

Collingwood is the only team in the AFL who wear black and white stripes.

Would be no different if Glenelg was the SANFL club who were joining the AFL, they wouldnt be allowed to join as the Tigers and their black and yellow kit.

Port knew this when joining, they left the magpies and Black n White behind in the SANFL.

That is a jumper from the "heritage" rounds. Because West Coast have no heritage they played in the WA kit.

The WA State jumper has nothing to do with the AFL competition.

So how many years does a team have to exist to have heritage? Or will West Coast forever have no heritage? I will add a note to my calendar whenever the years is reached.

For most people under the age of 40, they've existed as long as they can remember - same as any Victorian club. Any they've got more premierships than a some Victorian teams including VFL heritage... And more than most since the comp went national....

 

[GoldbergsGold]

It is pretty simple.

Collingwood is the only team in the AFL who wear black and white stripes.

Would be no different if Glenelg was the SANFL club who were joining the AFL, they wouldnt be allowed to join as the Tigers and their black and yellow kit.

Port knew this when joining, they left the magpies and Black n White behind in the SANFL.

That is a jumper from the "heritage" rounds. Because West Coast have no heritage they played in the WA kit.

The WA State jumper has nothing to do with the AFL competition.

According to you, only 1 team can wear 1 design with the same colours in 1 competition. For the sake of argument, forget WA. West Coast wore that design first in the AFL, hence they should be the only ones permitted to wear the black sash with yellow template according to your argument. But no, Richmond are the only ones wearing it, today. Also, Richmond basically wore Hawthorn's guernsey for a game in 2008, just with black instead of brown. Also, Sydney wore a red sash uniform. So, it's ludicrous to say only 1 team can wear the same design and colours, when that's not even practiced. Also, the design of the prison bars is not the same.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Port have got far more things to worry about than the wearing of the Prison Bars (or lack thereof)

Got so many things going wrong on and off field, where do you begin ?

 

[ibd77]

Port have got far more things to worry about than the wearing of the Prison Bars (or lack thereof)

Got so many things going wrong on and off field, where do you begin ?

Some Muppet got bored and rebumped this thread for sh!ts and giggles.

Believe me that this topic is the furthest issue that the fans want.

Ultimately it's the AFLs decision as they own all 18 club trademarks. It will depend on what the new CEO will suit their best interests.

 

[caveman72]

Port spent decades in the SANFL making enemies of fans from every other club. If when they came into the AFL they had of pushed the SANFL history onto fans the only fans they would have got would have been SANFL Port fans. They came in and said its a whole new club. This issue has been pushed more since they got their current president. The interesting point is that Choco a club Legend in bot competition has said they shouldn't bother wearing it,

 

[ibd77]

Port spent decades in the SANFL making enemies of fans from every other club. If when they came into the AFL they had of pushed the SANFL history onto fans the only fans they would have got would have been SANFL Port fans. They came in and said its a whole new club. This issue has been pushed more since they got their current president. The interesting point is that Choco a club Legend in bot competition has said they shouldn't bother wearing it,

 

[caveman72]

Did I type that too fast for you to understand?

 

[ibd77]

Did I type that too fast for you to understand?

Nah I got the gist just baffled by the complete non sense of your post.

 

[caveman72]

Nah I got the gist just baffled by the complete non sense of your post.

Ok my brain is a bit fried have just seen 5 minutes of Paul murrays show and have come away dumber for the experience.

 

[VinnieB]

So how many years does a team have to exist to have heritage? Or will West Coast forever have no heritage? I will add a note to my calendar whenever the years is reached.

For most people under the age of 40, they've existed as long as they can remember - same as any Victorian club. Any they've got more premierships than a some Victorian teams including VFL heritage... And more than most since the comp went national....

60 years.
Maybe 70 years.

 

[VinnieB]

According to you, only 1 team can wear 1 design with the same colours in 1 competition. For the sake of argument, forget WA. West Coast wore that design first in the AFL, hence they should be the only ones permitted to wear the black sash with yellow template according to your argument. But no, Richmond are the only ones wearing it, today. Also, Richmond basically wore Hawthorn's guernsey for a game in 2008, just with black instead of brown. Also, Sydney wore a red sash uniform. So, it's ludicrous to say only 1 team can wear the same design and colours, when that's not even practiced. Also, the design of the prison bars is not the same.

Your examples of the Swans and Richmond are not helping you.

You have mentioned situations of same design but different colours.

So it’s like Port can wear stripes but not black and white.

 

[El_Scorcho]

There are so many dumb, long refuted arguments in the last few pages.

We'll eventually get what we want, it's a matter of time.

Collingwood will not even notice it happening because it doesn't actually impact them at all.

 

[Heater3923]

Amazing it's okay for West Coast and Richmond to share the exact same uniform designs, but differing designs with the same colours is taboo. View attachment 1378303View attachment 1378304

WCE was wearing a WA state jumper - which should never have been allowed to have happened as it disrespects the remaining WA teams at an AFL and WAFL level.

Richmond only adopted the yellow clash with black sash in 2015. So it’s not like WCE and Richmond have ever tried to wear that jumper at the same time.

I dare say one key reason WCE never came into the comp in 87 with WA colours was because Richmond already got there first.

 

[Heater3923]

There are so many dumb, long refuted arguments in the last few pages.

We'll eventually get what we want, it's a matter of time.

Collingwood will not even notice it happening because it doesn't actually impact them at all.

Yep a minnow from SA that’s currently 0-5 is really gonna strong arm us on this… yawn… we’ve heard you PA fans whinge about this for 25 plus years. Never gonna happen.

You guys chose to ditch the sanfl and come to the AFL, at the expense of Fitzroy - in agreement to have to change your nickname and colours.

Embrace the teal. And embrace the SBS jumper as it’s the only one you ever won a VFL/AFL premiership in. Choco Williams understood this - your only coach in over a 100 years of so called history that attained the highest achievement. Choco says PB don’t belong in AFL. And he’s right.

By all means though, keep whinging about the PB. All it does is fracture your identity and destabilise your club. You guys are in no man’s land never fully embracing the Port Adelaide Power and wallowing in SANFL past glory. It’s no wonder you’ve only won one flag in 20 plus years (despite the fact you should have won at least 3 in 2000-2004 with the list you had).

You guys have no identity. An sbs jumper, jumpers with lightening bolts and then a kid designed your SA knock off. And the abomination that is your grey/silver jumper. From joining the AFL all you’ve done is jump from fad to fad regarding your jumpers. You have no identity and trying to steal Collingwoods identity won’t help you.

Like I said keep fighting for the PB - it takes your fans, your club administration, coaches and players minds off what’s important - which is winning football games and premierships haha